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Rx200 battery life

I keep hearing about the rx200 and its great battery life, but I'm lucky if I get 10 hours from it. Am I doing something wrong or are people just exaggerating how long it actually lasts. I'm running it between 80-100 watts.

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kim leith

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That's pretty high watts. May be a lemon. Try it at lower watts for awhile and see what happens.???
 

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Depends on the batteries in it. I put three VTC4s in it and used it with a TFV4 running octuple claptons at around 150 W and got a bit less than a day out of it. If I run my Crown or Scylla at 80 W I get closer to two days, and if I run my xS RDA at 80 W I get someplace in between. VTC4s are only 2100 mah, so I'm going to buy either three 2500 mah Samsungs or three 3000 mah LGs and see what happens. Need a backup set for this thing anyway, and I only have the VTC4s for seriously cranked wattages.
 

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I run 3000 mah 40amp's, but not at the watts you are running. I did notice that the batt life icon on the mod shows really low, but when put on a charger with volt meter they read only 3.7 or 3.8.
 

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I run 3000 mah 40amp's, but not at the watts you are running. I did notice that the batt life icon on the mod shows really low, but when put on a charger with volt meter they read only 3.7 or 3.8.

First... that's not right. Before you pull them next time (or anytime even) check what the RX says the levels are (mod Off > hold Fire & Left for a few seconds), then compare to your charger.
The RX shouldn't cutoff before 3.3v or even 3.2v. At 3.7, the meter should be around half.

Second... regardless of your battery's mAh, it is NOT 40A CDR.
Please don't call them that. Even if you are being safe... you'll confuse others.
 
I have some 3000mah imrens right now. I really like the mod, just not a fan of the battery life I'm getting.

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What kind of batteries are you using? There is no 3000 mAh with 40A CDR 18650 in existence, it is just chemically impossible at the moment, 3000 mAh batteries (the genuine ones) have only 15A CDR, 2500 mah 20 CDR, 2100 mah 30A CDR and so on, the higher the CDR the lower the mah capacity.

If you are using cheap Chinese fakes then expect the voltage to drop rapidly like in your case, same with rewraps with inflated specs
 

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I have some 3000mah imrens right now. I really like the mod, just not a fan of the battery life I'm getting.

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Are those purple?
Mooch tagged those as a poor 20A (17A CDR actually).
Higher mAh requires a sacrifice... amp capability usually. Can't be helped.
That also tends to sacrifice high draw performance... they'll flat faster.
 

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I just purchased a RX200 and some LG HG2 3000 mah batts and vaping pretty often at 50-60 watts I get well over a day but I have not really timed it I just know its like a day and a half-ish. The batteries you use in it really make a difference but that is for any mod really. My xcube 2 using samsung 25R blues or greens vaping the same setup and wattage mows through batteries.

Rate of vape matter a ton to. I honestly do not know if I vape a ton or just a little compared to others. I feel like I am vaping a lot but vape habits are so different its hard to tell unless you sat in a room and really compared everything.
 
Are those purple?
Mooch tagged those as a poor 20A (17A CDR actually).
Higher mAh requires a sacrifice... amp capability usually. Can't be helped.
That also tends to sacrifice high draw performance... they'll flat faster.
They're yellow. I'm having a hard time finding legit Sony's locally and these were the next best thing.

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They're yellow. I'm having a hard time finding legit Sony's locally and these were the next best thing.

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This is not the first time i see someone say that lately, what's up with that situation? i see legit Sony VTC4s and VTC5s are all over the place in reputable retailers in the US and Europe, i personally never had any problem getting as much of them as i want, why are you having difficulty finding genuine ones?
 

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Buying batteries locally(atleast for me) can be hit or miss. You really need someone ordering who knows where and what to buy. I tried at a couple places locally and they both had fakes but I really believe they did not know that and just probably ordered from the wrong place cuz the price was good. Does one charge faster than the others or drain at a fairly faster rate than the others?

I honestly do not know enough about imrens other than they are 100% re-wraps like efest does so it can be hit or miss. I still have some purple efests that are great batteries because they are really LG HE2's re=wrapped if I remember correctly but efest also had a 3000 mah that was complete dogshit over rated spec battery saying it was a 35 amp.
 

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By buying locally, do you mean actually going to a store around the corner? i mean why can't you guys just order "locally" as in from the same country from reputable sites and have the stuff mailed to you?
 

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This is not the first time i see someone say that lately, what's up with that situation? i see legit Sony VTC4s and VTC5s are all over the place in reputable retailers in the US and Europe, i personally never had any problem getting as much of them as i want, why are you having difficulty finding genuine ones?

It's an unsettled topic. We know when and why they shuttered their satellite production site.
We do not know if, when or even to what schedule they resumed production.

You see and have purchased VCTs which you believe are genuine. But you don't know for all those you did not buy. The gist is that fakes are, and have been, pumped out at a fairly high rate. I haven't seen any definitive answers... just caveat emptor.
 
This is not the first time i see someone say that lately, what's up with that situation? i see legit Sony VTC4s and VTC5s are all over the place in reputable retailers in the US and Europe, i personally never had any problem getting as much of them as i want, why are you having difficulty finding genuine ones?
I live in a rural area of Canada, its a decent drive to the nearest shops. There is a few shops that carry them on occasion, but I've never been in when they have them in stock. I've tried looking for some specs on the batteries I have but haven't come across much.

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It's an unsettled topic. We know when and why they shuttered their satellite production site.
We do not know if, when or even to what schedule they resumed production.

You see and have purchased VCTs which you believe are genuine. But you don't know for all those you did not buy. The gist is that fakes are, and have been, pumped out at a fairly high rate. I haven't seen any definitive answers... just caveat emptor.
mmmmmmm ... interesting information, i asked the guys at the site i am buying from of how they know these are genuine or not, and they said something around the lines of (i can't remember the exact wording) that we buy them directly from Efest which bought Sony Energy China which means they are getting them directly from the manufacturer, is that BS? i just took their word for it because i trust they know what they are doing but i did not try to verify that information .. so you think there is a chance they could be having fakes?
 

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I live in a rural area of Canada, its a decent drive to the nearest shops. There is a few shops that carry them on occasion, but I've never been in when they have them in stock. I've tried looking for some specs on the batteries I have but haven't come across much.

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Look at Mooch's chart on the page I linked to.
That's close to all you need to know. For now at least.
 

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I do not know if its true or not. Honestly it could very well be true as Sony has and is in a pretty deep financial hole and have sold off several interests in the last year or so.
 

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China? That's BS (I think).
And how does Efest enter into it?
No No :) that is a store in Europe, i can't remember if they said Efest or another company, but just that Sony Energy was sold to some company and that they are buying directly from that new owner, you made me very curious to ask them for more details!
 

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I do not know if its true or not. Honestly it could very well be true as Sony has and is in a pretty deep financial hole and have sold off several interests in the last year or so.
This seems consistent with what they said and the fact that VTCs are now all over the place lately, i will send them an email to verify
 

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All of them need to stop with the V** names. VCT, VTC, T-VCT, VCMT, RFBVCTWMT etc...HOLY SHIT its to much.
 

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Some Googling did not help verify any of that, Sony Energy Devices Corporation IS still a wholly owned subsidiary and part of the Devices Group of Sony, all plants are in Japan, http://www.sonyenergy-devices.co.jp/en/outline/map.php

Corporate timeline does not indicate any acquisitions in that part of the group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Energy_Devices_Corporation

Now the question is, did Efest (or whoever) took over the distribution of Sony Energy Devices Corporation products in China? this information is no where to be found in Google using English search terms, maybe if i search in Chinese i can find something :)
 

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After thinking about it I thought I had read in a few places that the VCT's were actually just really good clones. I had thought it was proven that Sony stopped making those batteries but this debate is kinda like the milk debate. One year its good for ya the next year its bad for ya and so on.

I mean I guess if they are good and tested it doesnt really matter who makes them. I think half the batteries out now are made in china.
 

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Please do ask. The more information... the better.

And the batteries are still VCTs.
VTC is the mod.
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wait .. VCT? how? i am pretty sure they are called VTC not VCT .. it is even written on the battery itself .. and the model name US18650VTC4 and US18650VTC5

Confused :confused:
 

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After thinking about it I thought I had read in a few places that the VCT's were actually just really good clones. I had thought it was proven that Sony stopped making those batteries but this debate is kinda like the milk debate. One year its good for ya the next year its bad for ya and so on.

I mean I guess if they are good and tested it doesnt really matter who makes them. I think half the batteries out now are made in china.
is it that hard to verify if a certain manufacturer is still producing a product or not? no comments from Sony on that?

There are many signs that could indicate otherwise

1- Aren't these Sony 18650 cells being currently used in the Tesla Electric Car, power tools, robotic cleaners, electric shavers, e-bicycles .. etc?

2- If they are no longer being manufactured how can big ass manufacturers like Joyetech explicitly recommend them, they should know better than to recommend a battery that no longer exists no?

From Cuboid Technical Specs http://www.joyetech.com/cuboid/

"Recommended cell Sony US18650VTC4"

Eleaf iStick TC100W http://www.eleafworld.com/istick-tc100w-firmware-upgradable/

"(Discharge current should be above 25A, for example, Sony VTC4)"


This is starting to give me headaches, have i been so clueless? :confused::eek:
 

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wait .. VCT? how? i am pretty sure they are called VTC not VCT .. it is even written on the battery itself .. and the model name US18650VTC4 and US18650VTC5

Confused :confused:

You're right. :confused:

As Jeep says above, there're too many close variations across different products and I'll guess I'd seen it wrong a few times for the Sony's and taken that onboard. Never owned any so I never cared.

As always... I say thank you and appreciate being corrected.
I get to drop an erroneous bit of data and replace it with true information.
That's a win/win... everytime. :)
 
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Jim_MDP

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is it that hard to verify if a certain manufacturer is still producing a product or not? no comments from Sony on that?

I said "if" earlier because it was in doubt through much of last year, but the reality is they are back in production (I believe). How much though? Don't know.

But the consensus is that that during the hiatus they were heavily counterfeited.
Supply never ceased, though production did.
 

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I said "if" earlier because it was in doubt through much of last year, but the reality is they are back in production (I believe). How much though? Don't know.

But the consensus is that that during the hiatus they were heavily counterfeited.
Supply never ceased, though production did.
Thank you very much for raising that matter as i only use these Sony VTCs thinking without doubt they were genuine based on Source and Performance i am getting them from, voltage drops seems to match what would be expected from a genuine battery and they do LOOK genuine .. as in having all the right "markings"

This is not an issue to take lightly given the safety implications, so i sent a few emails to the stores i have been getting these from for comment, i just have a gut feeling that production has resumed because these batteries are lately being offered by almost all the reputable retailers in the business, which i don't think will risk their name selling a fake battery with so much other alternatives out there, also the manufacturer's recommendations must be founded,

I also saw a post somewhere "just some user like us in another forum, not an authoritative source" that Efest buys ALL Sony Energy's supply of VTCs that is not being sold directly to Tesla or HP .. etc for resale to consumers because Sony does not want to be selling these directly to end-users AT ALL, so Efest buys from them as an organization and then reselling them taking full responsibility for that activity.

The Efest information seems to make sense, if you buy the cells from Efest directly (which is the only source available for end-user purchase) then they MUST be genuine and directly from Sony Energy Plants ...

We will what kind of responses i receive from the vendors ...
 

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Again... it's not something I care overly much about right now, I don't use them.

That said, it is a very unsettled topic, and that I do care about.

My suggestion would be read the latest opinions by the biggest names you can come up with in vape battery usage testing.
I'm thinking... Mooch; there's also "Battery Bros" or something like that; there's some guy I believe in Germany who's tremendously well regarded (does charger reviews as well); there's another member here or on ECF who's usually giving great information alongside Mooch in most battery threads and I can't recall his name (of course).

I'm hoping others can fill in the names I can't recall.
With luck, there's reliable, updated information out there.
And hopefully... it won't involve Efest. :p
 

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Very good idea, one store has confirmed that the shortage of the Sony VTCs was 6 months ago and now manufacturing has resumed, and they are positive that the ones they are getting are the real thing, did not disclose supplier information but they confirmed THEY DO NOT GET THEM FROM EFest which is good news i think, they also highly recommend the VTCs over the LGs for high drain applications even though they sell both so no conflict of interest involved ..

Great we got this batteries issue out of the way, now back to my 3D Mod printing planning ...... :D
 

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First... that's not right. Before you pull them next time (or anytime even) check what the RX says the levels are (mod Off > hold Fire & Left for a few seconds), then compare to your charger.
The RX shouldn't cutoff before 3.3v or even 3.2v. At 3.7, the meter should be around half.

Second... regardless of your battery's mAh, it is NOT 40A CDR.
Please don't call them that. Even if you are being safe... you'll confuse others.


The batteries are "Cloud King" brand. There is no CDR after the 40A. Just learned something I guess.
Sorry about the confusion.
Litproducts.com
 

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Battery life is very subjective. Wattage, resistance, and frequency of use are all big factors in addition to the battery's ratings.
 

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I've been running these red 3000 mAh AWT batts in both my RX200 mods for a couple months now..performance is good as I honestly get about 2 days on a single charge, vaping the Griffin .3 ohm coils at 65w or so...

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I've been running these red 3000 mAh AWT batts in both my RX200 mods for a couple months now..performance is good as I honestly get about 2 days on a single charge, vaping the Griffin .3 ohm coils at 65w or so...

Ummmm.........those batteries aren't even labeled the same, one says 35A, another says 40A, that alone seems sketchy ASF (same company, same color, same Mah rating, but different Amps, that would be a red flag to me), but then knowing that AWT battery specs are a lie, I guess it might be alright to assume they're all just 20A cells and treat them as such (at 65W, that's hardly gonna be pushing 3 batts very hard anyways)
 

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Battery life is very subjective.
Battery life is one of the least subjective things in the universe. I think you mean it's contingent on several variables. Two very different things.
 

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Ummmm.........those batteries aren't even labeled the same, one says 35A, another says 40A, that alone seems sketchy ASF (same company, same color, same Mah rating, but different Amps, that would be a red flag to me), but then knowing that AWT battery specs are a lie, I guess it might be alright to assume they're all just 20A cells and treat them as such (at 65W, that's hardly gonna be pushing 3 batts very hard anyways)
Thx for pointing that out! I got so many batts and chargers I accidentally installed a 35A in with the 40A loading batts this morning...didn't make a difference vaping it though..but I did swap them out for this set that are definitely all the same..
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With two mods that uses three batts each plus another 6 batts in the chargers its easy to get mixed up sometimes from their married sets..
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But again for pointing that 35A batt out for me..my bad, but its all good now..

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ok, no worries then, that just caught my eye, I see your stuff all the time and I thought to myself o_O, there's no way @Break-19 is actually that dumb as to have bought mix-matched batteries..........glad I was right :)
 

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I just got the RX200 this week with three Power IMREN 3000mah MAX 40A 3.7V batteries (Yes, the purple ones) that I saw RIP Trippers use in the mod and I get 2, almost 3 days on a single charge. I don't vape that high wattage and keep it in TC mode. Has been a little less than my iStick 50w but I love the production!
 

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