Saturday buying a new tank, been advised the billow V2, any alternatives?

[conanthewarrior]

Hi people.

I am buying a new tank on saturday, as this is the fortnight I buy vaping goods, the following fortnight is the part of the month I choose and buy a mod.

I wanted a great tank that doesn't leak, and multiple people have recommended the Billow V2.

It seems great, the only thing worrying me is its modified orchid style wicking. The original orchid was extremely temperamental, a Kind member called Bondo gave me one with some juice from the US to the UK as a gift .

But, it offers great flavour, so I persevere with it.

I do own a SMOK RSBT2 which is a modified orchid, but due to SMOK using standard glass, it shattered itself on the third day, and I knew if I got a SMOK replacement, same thing would happen, so it was in retirement for 4 months.

I got some GT-T tanks from fastech, and drilled mine out for more airflow, and for 14 dollars is actually a bloody great tank with loads of flavour. With this order, I ordered 5 replacement glass tubes for it, and guess what? They fitted the SMOK!

So I took it out of retirement, and wicked it up, and wicked it correctly first time, and it is even less modified than the billow, so I am hoping the billow is even easier. It does not matter if it isn't though, as the RSBT2 is a lot easier than the orchid.

So far the tanks I own are: Lemo V2, Nautilus Mini (Currently gone missing, think I may buy another as it was a bloody great tank, but the box with it in is missing), SMOK RSBT2, Subtank mini, GT-T V2, and an orchid.

If anyone can recommend something better than the BIllow V2, I may get that, but after watching reviews the billow does seem fantastic.

So, anyone who could recommend me a new tank, please do so. I am going for authentic tanks(apart from my subtank, which is either the best clone ever made, or a factory second, even the packaging was amazing, the OCC coils worked at the correct resistance, and the RBA works fine on both of them, I got a black one, my fiancee a silver), my budget is up to £30/$45.50.

Thanks everyone, Conan.

 

[Neunerball]

There's great hope about the Uwell Crown. Don't have one yet.

 

[conanthewarrior]

Billow V2 rocks. I bought the Nano.

How big is the nano? I think it will probably get the standard I get, as a 2ML juice well I can get through in half hour easily, so like higher capacity tanks now.

There is a tank I was looking out called the OBS CRIUS, but its not out just yet. It looks amazing, and has adjustable juice flow, but I think at the moment the billow is in the lead.

I will check out the Uwell crown.

 

[conanthewarrior]

OK, I don't know wether to get the billow, the Uwell crown, or be cheeky and get both .

I probably will get the billow this month though, as I have £80 budget this fortnight for vaping gear,next fortnight same budget for a mod, the tank is £28, then I need flavour concentrates, Plus some VG as I only have 250ML left. I will also order some wire from this, so guess one tank at a time.

 

[Neunerball]

How big is the nano? I think it will probably get the standard I get, as a 2ML juice well I can get through in half hour easily, so like higher capacity tanks now.

There is a tank I was looking out called the OBS CRIUS, but its not out just yet. It looks amazing, and has adjustable juice flow, but I think at the moment the billow is in the lead.

I will check out the Uwell crown.

There's a large thread here somewhere. That's why I ordered mine a few days ago. Should be here by Thursday.

 

[AmandaD]

The Crown is hands down the best tank I've ever used, including the Billow V2. And this is with the stock ss coils.

 

[chuckpie85]

The Crown is hands down the best tank I've ever used, including the Billow V2. And this is with the stock ss coils.

Yupp this high quality construction feels solid in hand and the coils... Oh the coils are fantastic. Just switched to this bad boy from a Freemax starre tank that I've used for the better part of the year and this puts the starre to shame.

 

[AmandaD]

Wow. That's quite a statement.
You're an MTL vaper as I recall? Flavor chaser? <memory foob>
Do you think the Crown compares well to the Billow V2 strictly as an MTL / Flavor chaser tank?
...and the coil heads you referred to, are those vertical or horizontal coils?

tia

These days I alternate between lung hits and MTL. After smoking for 40 years, it's taken me a long time to be able to lung hit at all! Personally, and ymmv, I find the Crown even better than the Billow for flavor. But, it takes a lot of watts to get this. I've only used the Billow V2 with Ti, and the vape is quite different with TC. In fact I've had trouble getting much 'poof' from the dual coil in TC, so this may not be an entirely fair comparison. The Crown's heads are all vertical. I can tell you that I haven't touched my Billows since getting my Crowns, and prior to this they were my favorite for flavor. Yes, I'm strictly a flavor chaser - clouds mean very little to me, although there are plenty of those with the Crown!

I do have to lung hit when I first fill up my Crown to clear any gurgling. But after that I can MTL if I want to without any gurgling.

HTH

 

[Mattp169]

These days I alternate between lung hits and MTL. After smoking for 40 years, it's taken me a long time to be able to lung hit at all! Personally, and ymmv, I find the Crown even better than the Billow for flavor. But, it takes a lot of watts to get this. I've only used the Billow V2 with Ti, and the vape is quite different with TC. In fact I've had trouble getting much 'poof' from the dual coil in TC, so this may not be an entirely fair comparison. The Crown's heads are all vertical. I can tell you that I haven't touched my Billows since getting my Crowns, and prior to this they were my favorite for flavor. Yes, I'm strictly a flavor chaser - clouds mean very little to me, although there are plenty of those with the Crown!

I do have to lung hit when I first fill up my Crown to clear any gurgling. But after that I can MTL if I want to without any gurgling.

HTH

i am accepting donations of a billow v2 for my first real rta since your not using yours.....

 

[blink.]

With the Billow V2 you can buy the nano glass and chimney and have both the regular size and nano....It's about $7 from eciggity.com http://www.eciggity.com/search.php?search_query=Billow+v2+nano

 

[AmandaD]

I bought the BV2 (Nano) thinking it would be good for flavor chasing and it has...
But it's not even close to challenging the flavor of my Goblin Minis for my MTL ADV.
So far, those are the standard for me. Somehow, I never stop looking for more though.
Have you tried a G-Mini?

Thanks

I haven't. I was considering getting one awhile ago, but I read too many posts about leaking!

 

[AmandaD]

I think ~90% of that was operator error. It took me 3 tries to achieve leak free wicking.
The screw fill is a PITA & ya' can't lay it on it's side over night when it's ~1/3 full or less... & a bit of condensation...
But when you taste it, you'll be ruined for all other tanks. The difference is almost shocking.
The G-Mini was my first real RTA. I have 4 of 'em now.

I haven't found anything that even approaches the Gobbler Mini for outright dense, rich flavor. That includes a couple rda's too.
I really believe it is currently the best (and possibly only) tank designed specifically for flavor.

That's why your 'Crown w/ stock coils' love caught my eye. Alllways lookin'...

You have to try it then! And the other thing that entirely wins me over is that it's absolutely leak free. I have so many tanks (rows of the things) and with my vaping style every single one will leak eventually - perhaps when the tank gets hot. I got tired of wiping spots off my tops LOL

 

[Analias]

I think ~90% of that was operator error. It took me 3 tries to achieve leak free wicking.
The screw fill is a PITA & ya' can't lay it on it's side over night when it's ~1/3 full or less... & a bit of condensation...
But when you taste it, you'll be ruined for all other tanks. The difference is almost shocking.
The G-Mini was my first real RTA. I have 4 of 'em now.

I haven't found anything that even approaches the Gobbler Mini for outright dense, rich flavor. That includes a couple rda's too.
I really believe it is currently the best (and possibly only) tank designed specifically for flavor.

Howdy Human, I just got a Goblin Mini today and set it up tonight with a quick and easy little 28 Ga Kanthal A1 dual contact coil build, 2mm 5 wraps coming in at .41 ohms. Seems like I wicked it okay for a RTA newb (It's my first!). At least it's not leaking but it can't quite keep up. Great flavor, nice vapor. What's your go to build and what's your wicking secrets? What wattage are you running at? Questions, questions, questions flooding the mind of the concerned young person today.....

 

[VAPEROXX]

Hi people.

I am buying a new tank on saturday, as this is the fortnight I buy vaping goods, the following fortnight is the part of the month I choose and buy a mod.

I wanted a great tank that doesn't leak, and multiple people have recommended the Billow V2.

It seems great, the only thing worrying me is its modified orchid style wicking. The original orchid was extremely temperamental, a Kind member called Bondo gave me one with some juice from the US to the UK as a gift .

But, it offers great flavour, so I persevere with it.

I do own a SMOK RSBT2 which is a modified orchid, but due to SMOK using standard glass, it shattered itself on the third day, and I knew if I got a SMOK replacement, same thing would happen, so it was in retirement for 4 months.

I got some GT-T tanks from fastech, and drilled mine out for more airflow, and for 14 dollars is actually a bloody great tank with loads of flavour. With this order, I ordered 5 replacement glass tubes for it, and guess what? They fitted the SMOK!

So I took it out of retirement, and wicked it up, and wicked it correctly first time, and it is even less modified than the billow, so I am hoping the billow is even easier. It does not matter if it isn't though, as the RSBT2 is a lot easier than the orchid.

So far the tanks I own are: Lemo V2, Nautilus Mini (Currently gone missing, think I may buy another as it was a bloody great tank, but the box with it in is missing), SMOK RSBT2, Subtank mini, GT-T V2, and an orchid.

If anyone can recommend something better than the BIllow V2, I may get that, but after watching reviews the billow does seem fantastic.

So, anyone who could recommend me a new tank, please do so. I am going for authentic tanks(apart from my subtank, which is either the best clone ever made, or a factory second, even the packaging was amazing, the OCC coils worked at the correct resistance, and the RBA works fine on both of them, I got a black one, my fiancee a silver), my budget is up to £30/$45.50.

Thanks everyone, Conan.

The Smok TFV4 with the dual coil rebuildable deck is a beast and comes with a replacement glass

 

[AmandaD]

Just my .02.....
But a "flavor tank" differs from a cloud tank dramatically. They don't tell ya' this stuff in the ads.
And you dammned sure won't get credible info from the forum fanboys. Just check the SuperTank threads...
Fanboys all say 'OMG OMG OMG! this cloud chucking monster tastes great!'
Well.... no it doesn't. It's a cloud tank with adequate flavor.

There is no such thing as both max flavor and max vapor in one tank; it's always a trade off.
Here's a hint... anytime ya see 'em bragging about increased airflow, that's a cloud tank.
Almost all of the newer tanks are cloud-centric... look at the big air holes and big chambers. (the thing the head screws into)

For flavor chasing in general you want 4 things...
Your coils should be as large as possible (on that deck)
The condensation chamber should be as small as possible. (No chamber at all on a G-Mini is part of it's secret)
Your coils should be horizontal and in the shortest possible coil shroud.
Your tank should be as short as possible. That is the distance between the coils & your tongue.

In short, a "flavor tank" is simply more compact, with less airflow than a cloud tank.
And noooo... large chambered tanks with big airflow holes CAN NOT be adjusted to give you G-Mini level flavor by using the air control ring! NO!
The trade-off is that can be a more difficult build to perfect. 2 or 3 tries & you'll have it.... and the screw fill... and the condensation.

To your question, I think both your wire and coil diameter are too small.
I would run 26 ga Kanthal A1 at 2.5 mm* diameter. I space my coils slightly as well.
Try that. Concentrate on the wicking primarily. This is where most problems are. Don't try to get the wicks down in the grooves!

Once you get an... intuitive feel for how it wicks, *then you can try a 2.8mm coil. This is the largest possible coil that can be put on a G-Mini. (no matter what you read anywhere else) For now, stick with a max diameter of 2.5 mm and concentrate on getting the feel of how it wicks. If you're getting any dry... burnt... taste, you have too much wick or the ends are too deep in the channels.

Check out the Grimm Green YT vid on the Zepherus.

HTH

I hear what you're saying. As a flavor chaser though I would disagree with one thing - vertical coils can be outstanding. This, of course, from my recent experience with the Crown. And while I couldn't give a hoot about clouds I do believe that happens to have both. But then again you know how I feel about that particular tank (and I happen not to care for the supertank). However in the STM I don't care for the vertical coils at all.

 

[Analias]

Just my .02.....
Concentrate on the wicking primarily. This is where most problems are. Don't try to get the wicks down in the grooves!
HTH

Just have the wick ends touching the bottom of the juice channels, yeah?

Oh snap! I watched the GG YT vid, most excellent wicking concept! Down to the workshop/dungeon to try it out now, I already blew threw all the joose I put in the little gobbler earlier.

Thanks for your considerate and informative reply.

 

[AmandaD]

I was more directing my above post at the OP's RTA comparo. (Billow 2 Vs Goblin Mini)

Re the horizontal Vs vertical thing, it is my experience that verticals just have too much air flow for optimum flavor.
They also require more power than horizontals which changes the flavor.

I'm still gonna buy the Crown because Amanda. ... the tech moves in leaps and bounds. It's a constant learning experience for me.
I wanna try SS coils too. There's so much to learn.

Believe me, if I ever find ANY tank or RTA that can flave me like the G-Mini,
I'll be doing back flips like a high school cheerleader.

If I didn't have so many issues with my beloved Billows leaking I'd be on to the goblin mini in a flash! But no matter how I wick it, my vaping style seems to be the cause of the eventual leaks. And I worry about the eventual demise of my 510 connections, apart from the constant running to the sink to rinse off my tops! Now, if I take the Billow out and vape like a normal person, they're fine. But if I sit at home and suck on it like a binky all goes to hell. I didn't ever think I'd buy something that worked best with OCCs, because I like rebuilding and I thought nothing could beat it for flavor. But it seems this is not the case!

Now of course if you buy the Crown and don't like it I'll feel awful. But taking tanks on recommendations is how I've ended up with so many (firesale coming soon LOL)

 

[AmandaD]

I can't get my Billow 2 Nano to leak on a bet, even sideways in the bar bag on my rumbly bumbly bike.
The G-Mini absolutely can not take that kinda shakin'. It doesn't just leak, it evacuates!

I've noticed that heat can sometimes make an RTA leak where a coil head won't.
Maybe it's getting hot when you go full on binky.

Well, even with the a/c on it's been incredibly hot here. And, yes, my tanks get so hot I can't touch them! I think you've hit the nail on the head there

 

[Analias]

@sharkvape. Tore the lil Joose gobbler down and rebuilt it ala your beginners specs. 2 mm 26 Ga kanthan 8 wraps dual coil and wicked ala GG. WOW! Pics to follow. Love it. Road tripping to play a festival gig tomorrow. Y''all say it won't travel well, but I'll put it in a plastic cup because the Goblin Mini is going to West by God Virginia with me! Can't leave it behind!


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[conanthewarrior]

I was more directing my above post at the OP's RTA comparo. (Billow 2 Vs Goblin Mini)

Re the horizontal Vs vertical thing, it is my experience that verticals just have too much air flow for optimum flavor.
They also require more power than horizontals which changes the flavor.

I'm still gonna buy the Crown because Amanda. ... the tech moves in leaps and bounds. It's a constant learning experience for me.
I wanna try SS coils too. There's so much to learn.

Believe me, if I ever find ANY tank or RTA that can flave me close to the G-Mini,
I'll be doing back flips like a high school cheerleader.

I would soo love to hear your review of the G-Mini after 2 weeks of use.

It's def a lil fussier than a coil head tank.
Hell, it's even a lil' fussier than a conventional RTA because it has no chamber for condensation to collect, or that odd drop of juice. It doesn't store well on it's side unless relatively full.
Plus screw fill just sux.
But the flaaavorrr......

Thank you. So I want a smaller tanks, like the G-mini, for more flavour? I guess that is why derringer style RDA's are meant to be very flavoursome? (I still don't have a derringer. I need to get one).

I'l be honest here, I didn't get the tanks this fortnight. I had enough tanks to keep me happy, and an offer on a DNA200 device come up I could not refuse. I could never afford one in normal circumstances, but for £80, I could. I also got the flavours and other things I needed, so I got the mod of the month earlier than expected, as there was only 36 units left, and they was selling like hot cakes.

Now, its from gearbest so will be a while to get here, but I am hoping they will be here in time for when I order the tanks in a fortnight.

As I got the supplies I needed as well, I can get two tanks, or a tank and a dripper.

If I got a derringer, a good clone should perform as well as an original shouldn't it? Tankwise, I will be buying originals like usual (The subtanks were a one off, my 4 other tanks are genuine tanks, one being a SMOK RSBT2 that had a flaw in that the glass smok provided was extremely thin, and not pyrex or similar, so shattered after 3 days.

I put it in retirement and was dissapointed, as I knew a replacement from SMOK would be the same for that specific tank.

BUT, I got a GT-T tank that I have modified, and ordered 5 spare glass tubes for it. Guess what? They only fit the SMOK RSBT2 Perfectly !

I have it set up with dual titanium coils at 2MM, arround 0.3 resistance. It's actually quite a nice tank, and it has not leaked on me. It uses a modified orchid style, now the original orchid does leak slightly if you get wicking even a tiny bit off, but the RSBT2 is more leniant as it was modified.

I think the billow V2 is a tank that I want, as its an even more modified style, so as long as I stick to wicking correctly it shouldn't leak.

So, due to buying a DNA200 kit that included wall charger and LIPO, I need to order the tanks next payday, which is 14 days.

I have time to think of what tank/ tanks to get during that period. So any other recommendations, pass them my way. But a G-Mini is going to be my best bet for flavour? I do also want a cloud chucker, so would the billow V2 fit that bill?

Thanks everyone for your help.

 

[Analias]

Awesome mang! That's good to hear.
Try 2.5 mm on your next build.

I didn't mean to say it doesn't travel well. But yeah, laying sideways bouncing around in the handlebar bag on my scooter... it won't do that and any of my coil head atty tanks will.
It travels just fine though. In your pocket, no problem.
Assuming it's wicked properly, the only time it will leak actual juice is if you lay it on its side overnight with a third of a tank or less.
The thing won't leak a drop if its vertical no matter how little juice is in it. And it won't leak a drop if it's full no matter what position it's in.

During normal use you will see some condensation build-up underneath it though. I just wipe it off when I refill. That's no sweat. The screw refill is the only real pita. It works much better with a needle than a unicorn bottle too btw.

Sweet! How much power do you typically push through this build? Seems like the flavor is better around 20W - 25W. Yeah, it's a needle bottle for sure....
I only filled it up a bit just to see if it would leak. No leaky, me likey!

 

[conanthewarrior]

Yes. with all else being equal, shorter = flavor. (IOW, any mod would have better flavor than the same mod made 1" longer.)
For example, a Billow 2 Nano would have slightly better flavor than the (~1/2" longer) Billow 2.
But I would stop well short of saying 'all small tanks taste better than all long tanks'... if that makes any sense.
I would also kinda equate MTL vapers with flavor chasers.

If 20 watts is where yer' comfortable, then 20 it is, but keep in mind on that build, your temp control setting
holds more weight than wattage settings. Higher wattage just reaches the set temp limit faster... handy for thicker wire.

I love my BV2 and would consider it a reasonable compromise between flavor & clouds. 70/30.
Great flavor for a cloud device, but the Mini still wins by a margin judged purely on flavor. Plus it's the sexiest tank on the planet.
But judged under the terms of all round performance, convenience, versatility... the Billow 2 Nano... hands down.
'Cause you ain't never gonna refill the G-Mini in the car.

I still say (externally wicked) verticals are better cloud coils, farr better for the direct lung inhalers. The reason I feel they're not as good for MTL is because larger diameter coils, saay 3 mm, move so much more air if the vapor is routed through the coil (vertical) than around it. (horizontal) Eventually, you reach a point of diminishing returns. Bigger vertical coils move too much air for MTL.
MTL vaping needs that cigarette-like 'draw resistance' that is more easily obtained with horizontal coils.

I also predict the G-Mini V2 will have the same terraced juice channels as the BV2. Great idea there.

I wanna try a derringer clone too, but I can't speak to your RBA questions except to say I believe the principle would be the same.
Maybe the RBA guys could help with that question.

BTW, I don't claim to be a tank/RTA expert. Mine are just one guy's opinions.
I have the same intuitive, but only basic knowledge of hydraulic vacuum principles we've all had
since we first put a finger on the straw opening and lifted it outta the soda when we were 4.
My conclusions are anecdotal and based on nothing more than my consistent observations over time.

I'm digging that ohm meter that'll fire the atty. Waaay cool! Does that take 18650s? or disposable batts?

PS... I'm diggin' that Dead shirt @Analias .. mousepad???

Yeah you are correct it takes longer to reach coil temp, but a guide I read explaining temp control was explaining it as more of a limiter, so you can't go above a certain temp to burn the wick, than actual temp control.

They explained in the guide you use your wattage as normal, but if it reaches the temp you have set the TC kicks in, and since using it this way have found it to be much more of a consistent vape.

This was for the DNA40 chip, so was an older article, but it was on this very forum, I actually shared it over at the UK forum, obviously crediting the original writer of the article, as before I had no idea how many watts/joules to use, now I realise its just an extra tweak to get that perfect vape, so set to the wattage I want, and most of the time TC isn't even reached, but I get a nice vapour.

I understand on the Xcube 2 it works differently though, as you can only select temperature and not watttage, just min, soft, norm, hard, and max.

I gather there is the DNA 40 style, that just cuts power once reached, the yihi which uses a combination, then the SMOK chips that work differently.

But, Until a few weeks ago I used standard kanthal. After reading that guide, most of my stuff is set up with either NI200 or TI, with only 2 builds out of my collection now, one tank and one dripper, set up for kanthal standard vaping, as I do enjoy that as well.

 

[Analias]

Howdy Gobbler Humans.....

What an atty! Zowie, I just had a day playing music out in WV. Beautiful fall day! I had a whole bag full of mods with different flavored atties topping each one. All I reached for all day was the Goblin Mini and the Atlantis.. So good. Great flavor from both but the Goblin is almost empty......Atlantis 3/4 full.....

The question - how often do you re-wick your Mini? Every tankful?
What? When? And where?
Who with? All alone? In a crowd?
No, honest, how often do you re-wick?

PS Check out my group; zydecojed.com - go to media from the home page and watch our latest video "Iko Iko" More to follow as we had a multi camera shoot again today at Sleepy Creek's HarFest! Yeah, you right! I'm the guy with the long hair, wee yeah!

PPS Fuckin' A - I'm tight tonight!
They got some mighty mighty pleasin' corn squeezins in West by God Virginny!

 

[conanthewarrior]

Rewick... about every 3 or 4 days... on Kanthal.

Thats about when I rewick on Kanthal, what would you suggest for Nichrome, as I am using that in one build, and also Titanium and NI200, as I am fully using TC now with only a few drippers and tanks set up for that style of vaping.

Since I found the TC guide on here it completely changed my understanding of TC, and I realised you adjust wattage exactly the same as you would on a non-TC device, the TC is just there if you hit that temperature to prevent it going above.

Now I understand it, I have a NI200 Build in my Lemo V2 that I fixed, 20W/J at around 220C, provides a lovely vape, exactly where I like it and it never gets above where I like it, it stays there if it hits it, I really like that.

On a different note, does anyone know why the Xcube 2 has a Single or dual coil setting? None of my other devices do, and I was wondering what difference it makes as it does not seem to make any difference when using :s

 

[jtgrham]

I just ordered a horizon phantom and a smok m80. Upgrading from eleaf 40w tc and sense hydra.

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[thomas_j_smith]

Uwell Crown! Love mine.


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[Analias]

Uwell Crown! Love mine.


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Yup, next on my radar. Nothing but good reviews and an RBA deck available. Too bad it's not included.

Have you used the RBA? If so, whaddaya think?

 

[thomas_j_smith]

Have not used the RBA. Coils last long. Tanks leaks way less then my Kanger.


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[awoodby]

The Crown is seriously awesome, love the flavor. Haven't gotten a great build on the buildable deck yet, need to try more. Didn't wick that great, my fault I'm sure. I don't see how I can possibly wick it as well as the vertical coils that come with it though, and they last weeks so...

I just got a billow v2 yesterday and built it. Wick'd great up to 45 watts (my wicking skills aren't very good yet methinks, but that's as high as I vape anyway)

At first I wasn't impressed by the flavor, but as it settled in, I was really appreciating it. Not quite as tasty as the Crown yet, but maybe with a new build with stainless wire (ordered some today!), and looser wick.

BOTH tanks are extremely well built. I've dropped my crown a few times now and no broken glass (*gasp*), but it IS rather bulky. The billow is just sleek and smooth, very good threads etc etc, a great piece of kit.

Choice? Well, do you want to build coils? (or buy prebuilt and screw them in, super cheap and lazy...), or do you want to pay $4 every 2 weeks for a new coil, but not be able to tinker as much?

 

[Neunerball]

The Crown is hands down the best tank I've ever used, including the Billow V2. And this is with the stock ss coils.

+1 I love both tanks equally. I still have to see how the Crown performs with the optional RBA. I think, I'll get at least another one of each.

 

[AmandaD]

+1 I love both tanks equally. I still have to see how the Crown performs with the optional RBA. I think, I'll get at least another one of each.

I need to break out my Billows and wick them with kanthal. I've only tried them with Ti, and while the flavor was excellent, the vape was - weeny compared to the Crown!

 

[Neunerball]

I need to break out my Billows and wick them with kanthal. I've only tried them with Ti, and while the flavor was excellent, the vape was - weeny compared to the Crown!

I'm using the factory build coils in my Billow, 'cause I was too eager to try out the tank. The Crown, I run with the Ni200 coil head.

 

[AmandaD]

I'm using the factory build coils in my Billow, 'cause I was too eager to try out the tank. The Crown, I run with the Ni200 coil head.

Try the 0.25 - it's out of this world

 

[awoodby]

I thought the ni200 was specifically for temp control mods. Lol and it was too low for my ipv mini temp control to use :/
the .25's are great.

 

[AmandaD]

I thought the ni200 was specifically for temp control mods. Lol and it was too low for my ipv mini temp control to use :/
the .25's are great.

You're correct - the ni200 is only for temp control!

 

[Jayvon633]

I think the steamcrave RDTA is an under appreciated RTA. it has more air flow but they have a 4 hole and a 2 hole vape band to control the airflow. i just leave mine wide open for bigger clouds. i have it built with 5 wrap 24g (im pretty sure its been in there a while) at around .2ohms and it vapes like a champ and wicks well up to 60 watts with how i built it. its got a pretty unique design as to how the juice flows into the coils and i think it works really well for clouds and flavor depending on how you build it. it also has an option for a velocity style build deck for more options on builds and its only 40 or 50 with the second build deck.

 

[awoodby]

I just tried temp control with the .25 SS stock coils in my crown tanks. It works fine! My first foray into temp control (other than the too-low for device ni200)!
Pretty neat but I don't think it has as much flavor, probably have heat set too low, but pretty neat.

 

[AmandaD]

I just tried temp control with the .25 SS stock coils in my crown tanks. It works fine! My first foray into temp control (other than the too-low for device ni200)!
Pretty neat but I don't think it has as much flavor, probably have heat set too low, but pretty neat.

Turn up the wattage - the flavor doesn't come alive with that 0.25 ohm coil until at least 60 watts! And put it in power mode - SS isn't really meant for TC!

 

[awoodby]

Turn up the wattage - the flavor doesn't come alive with that 0.25 ohm coil until at least 60 watts! And put it in power mode - SS isn't really meant for TC!

i set wattage to 65, temp to 550.
I've read 316l stainless steel has enough nickel in it it works fine for TC?

 

[AmandaD]

i set wattage to 65, temp to 550.
I've read 316l stainless steel has enough nickel in it it works fine for TC?

It won't work the same way. Just try it in power mode and see if you get a load of flavor! Unless the mod specifically supports SS you're you're not doing the coil justice! If you get the same vape in TC mode as power mode, then by all means continue with whatever gives you the best flavor

 

[awoodby]

It won't work the same way. Just try it in power mode and see if you get a load of flavor! Unless the mod specifically supports SS you're you're not doing the coil justice! If you get the same vape in TC mode as power mode, then by all means continue with whatever gives you the best flavor

I've been vaping with 5 crowns for, I don't know, couple of months on the crowns, and gone through at least a couple hundred ml of juice (MilkMan and ploom loops are each over 100 and empty, not to mention the others)

I'm used to the flavor a crown puts out

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...herm-nife30-coefficient-of-resistance.676506/

says use about a 50degree offset. Since I'm not that particular on the temp doesn't matter to me, I'll just crank it all the way. It DOES put a ceiling on the heat, so I can hold it down, never gets too hot. You're correct, it's NOT as much flavor, but still very good.

The crown wicks well enough, you don't GET dry hits until you run out of juice (oops *cough cough*), so not really necessary.

But neat. Now that I have the sigelei 75w, I'll try out the ni200 head and see how that is.

 

[AmandaD]

I've been vaping with 5 crowns for, I don't know, couple of months on the crowns, and gone through at least a couple hundred ml of juice (MilkMan and ploom loops are each over 100 and empty, not to mention the others)

I'm used to the flavor a crown puts out

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...herm-nife30-coefficient-of-resistance.676506/

says use about a 50degree offset. Since I'm not that particular on the temp doesn't matter to me, I'll just crank it all the way. It DOES put a ceiling on the heat, so I can hold it down, never gets too hot. You're correct, it's NOT as much flavor, but still very good.

The crown wicks well enough, you don't GET dry hits until you run out of juice (oops *cough cough*), so not really necessary.

But neat. Now that I have the sigelei 75w, I'll try out the ni200 head and see how that is.

Ah sorry - I thought this was your first experience with the Crown! I agree - this thing never seems to give a dry hit in power mode (unles you really suck it dry LOL). I've now tried all the coils, and my favorite is still the 0.25 SS in power mode . The 1.2 is great for out and about with a single battery mod (also not as much vapor to worry outsiders!), and my least favorite are the Ni200 coils.

 

[awoodby]

lol no problem, I figured. Yes, I'm well versed in crown awesomeness, just playing around really.

The .5 coil works better my Subox single battery, have to keep wattage low for the .25
I don't own a 1.2 coil for it lol.

 

[AmandaD]

lol no problem, I figured. Yes, I'm well versed in crown awesomeness, just playing around really.

The .5 coil works better my Subox single battery, have to keep wattage low for the .25
I don't own a 1.2 coil for it lol.

@Hank Spankman talked me into ordering some - he loves them! Even using the 0.5 at 55 watts, my single batteries just die too quickly, so I do prefer the 1.2 at 40 watts for running around. But the minute I get home I have to take a good long puff on my 0.25 LOL

 

[awoodby]

Hmm. Carry an extra battery? 2? Plug it in every time you're in a car or at a computer?
What mod do you use single battery?
I only recently got where my subox wasn't cutting it for a day, ok, for half a day until I was near a charger, but that's 35 watt. The sigelei's much bulkier but my recent fav, only recently replaced the eleaf 100w. I'm in the process of replacing the 501 connection on the eleaf 100w with a bigdaddy 501. The thing just wouldn't see anything, kept saying "check atomizer", warranty replaced it but left me with the broken one, so playtime, we'll see how that goes!

Not bragging here, that's all my kit, well, an ipv mini. Nice and compact but burned battery much faster than the subox and weighed 2x as much, though same size.

AAaaand a box of plus ohm stuff I should give away to friends...dead to me

 

[AmandaD]

Hmm. Carry an extra battery? 2? Plug it in every time you're in a car or at a computer?
What mod do you use single battery?
I only recently got where my subox wasn't cutting it for a day, ok, for half a day until I was near a charger, but that's 35 watt. The sigelei's much bulkier but my recent fav, only recently replaced the eleaf 100w. I'm in the process of replacing the 501 connection on the eleaf 100w with a bigdaddy 501. The thing just wouldn't see anything, kept saying "check atomizer", warranty replaced it but left me with the broken one, so playtime, we'll see how that goes!

Not bragging here, that's all my kit, well, an ipv mini. Nice and compact but burned battery much faster than the subox and weighed 2x as much, though same size.

AAaaand a box of plus ohm stuff I should give away to friends...dead to me

30+ mls a day goes through quite a few batteries

 

[awoodby]

30+ mls a day... riight... wow. Do you have a hookah hose clipped to your collar?