School me on box mods

[omeed]

I think im missing something here or just not fully understanding.

I understand that box mods can output high wattage, but I'm calculating that I'm getting 84 watts on a fully charged battery (4.2V at 20 continuous amps) with just a LG battery.

Just have some general questions about box mods so I can understand this craze happening.

am i calculating this wrong?
is getting those extra 16 watts worth the investment?
benefits of box mods (besides reverse polarity etc.)?
what is the "stepdown" everyone is talking about?
why are people investing in 50W boxmods when you can get more power out of a mech mod?

 

[omeed]

WHOOPS! Wrong section by a long shot.
thats how baffled i am at the moment lol
Mods, if possible, please move to appropriate subforum

thank you

 

[Oggy]

With a mech mod you change the build to the way you want to vape. With a box mod you have adjustable power so you can change the vape to the topper you are using. The biggest difference is that with a mech you are steadily loosing power. With a box mod you get the voltage/wattage you have it set for.

 

[UncleRJ]

WHOOPS! Wrong section by a long shot.
thats how baffled i am at the moment lol
Mods, if possible, please move to appropriate subforum

thank you

I did done that.

 

[vladtepes]

With a mech mod you change the build to the way you want to vape. With a box mod you have adjustable power so you can change the vape to the topper you are using. The biggest difference is that with a mech you are steadily loosing power. With a box mod you get the voltage/wattage you have it set for.

THIS is what makes me not understand mechanical mods.. I got into the game late... started with a vamo.. it was OK.. went to a hana clone.. it was better.. now have a vapor shark.. and with its small compact design.. 30 watt board... solid build quality.. I can not imagine why I would want a mechanical mod.. I mean to each their own.. NOT meant to insult.. but I dont get it..

 

[Oggy]

If you go back a 3-4 months, the only chip that was really available was the DNA 30. The Vaporshark only had had the small version which was nice but only 1300 mah battery. So your left with buying a custom built mod for $250 plus if you want a DNA. This is why mech became so popular and why vapers where pushing for higher AMP batteries. Mechs were alot more cost efective. I picked up a Nemmy clone for around $20 with a Kayfun clone for another $20 for a nice setup at about $50 with a battery. So take your vamo for instance (My first VW/VV device was an Evic) It wont fire below 1 ohm but limits at 12-15 watts. It also has a voltage cap so with a 1.8 ohm coil at 15 watts your not getting much power. So while these type devices are nice and the vape wasnt bad they just didnt have the power most vapers where looking for.

When the cloupor chana clones came out I got one for a steal at around $65.00. I have had really good luck with mine so far. But havent touched a mech since I got it. I then won an SX350 chip from Modenvy and built my own boxmod. I also just purchased a Cloupor T6.

 

[Scuba-Matt]

I think im missing something here or just not fully understanding.

I understand that box mods can output high wattage, but I'm calculating that I'm getting 84 watts on a fully charged battery (4.2V at 20 continuous amps) with just a LG battery.

Just have some general questions about box mods so I can understand this craze happening.

am i calculating this wrong?
is getting those extra 16 watts worth the investment?
benefits of box mods (besides reverse polarity etc.)?
what is the "stepdown" everyone is talking about?
why are people investing in 50W boxmods when you can get more power out of a mech mod?

The benefit of the regulated box mod is consistency of vapor. On a mech with a .3 ohm @ 4.2 volt build it will start off at 58 watts and the wattage will decrease as the battery drains. By the time it gets to 3.7 volts it's only putting out 45 watts. I doubt it ever see's 4.2 volts at the atty on a mech. with a .3 build there probably is at least .5 voltage drop under load. The lower the ohm build the more voltage drop. With a high powered regulated device what you set the device at is where it stays until the battery needs charging.
The other benefit of the box mod is dual and triple battery's. In parallel dual batteries will double the amp limit of a single battery. So there is more safety margin with dual and triple battery set ups. Dual batteries In series will double the mAh but it loses the benefit of more amp limit vs parallel

 

[UncleRJ]

And also that most of them have built in protections,

Shorts, reverse polarity and low battery shut off.

 

[OB61887]

I love regulated for the reasons others listed above. The 2 reasons I go mech are
1. Super sub ohm. Regulated mods have a high and low limit for resistance.
2. Looks. Mechs just look better Imo. But I do like the looks of box Moss to. Just not as much.

 

[UncleRJ]

Yep, the Mechs can be a work of art.

But I am happy to stick to my regulated box mods and shell out a wee bit more for a Jwrap to pretty them up.

 

[MKPM]

Unregulated box mods FTW. As for super sub ohming.....you can do that on all reg boxes except for the God Box.

 

[MKPM]

Yep, the Mechs can be a work of art.

But I am happy to stick to my regulated box mods and shell out a wee bit more for a Jwrap to pretty them up.

Well played sir!

 

[UncleRJ]

I am really contemplating a custom Jwrap for my new Sigelei and I am pretty sure I am going to base it on the design of the old Patent Medicine labels.

Just have to find the right one.

And it has to advertize the cure for something along the lines of STD's or something really gross with elaborate artwork.

 

[OB61887]

Unregulated box mods FTW. As for super sub ohming.....you can do that on all reg boxes except for the God Box.

Please teach me sensei. I am trying to build a dual coil with my 20 gauge and can't keep it high enough for regulated.

 

[MKPM]

I never use 20..takes too long to ramp up considering how many wraps you need to hit target. My normal coils are dual 22's at 5-6 wraps to put me at a Sigelei friendly .2 ohms. On my God Box, I'll drop to 24 or 26 and up the wraps to around 14 to 15 to hit a target of .6 ohms. These are based on 2mm mandrels.

 

[Oggy]

Im using dual 5/6 wraps 26 gauge on a darkhorse clone. Using a T6 at 60 watts and I cant believe the beautiful clouds

 

[OB61887]

Using dual 6 wrap 20 gauge 3mm, it takes a couple seconds to heat up on my mech. But I get the warm vape on my banana bread and strawberry shortcake that I love so much. Would love to be able to do it on my sigelei.

 

[omeed]

Big thanks to everyone for getting back to me.

So basically, box mods are legit, pending you find the right one.
I definitely can see how the regulated power is an advantage and the obvious protections.

I did do a quick glance at the sigelei box mod and the ipv3.
One major gripe i have with those two is that there are no charging ports (or you have to buy a $10 charger separately for the ipv3 on top of paying more already)
this really defeats the purpose for me because I'm already removing my batteries to charge and dont go below 0.2 ohms on my builds.

Are there any other box mods worth looking at?

Also, what formula are you guys using to figure out how many watts an unregulated mod is pumping out?
Scuba Matts explanation tells me the battery he's using to calculate is a 13 amp battery, which i know is probably wrong, so i believe that my formula that I'm using is all sorts of wacky.

Thanks again everyone!!!

 

[OB61887]

Ohms law calculator will tell you how many based on the voltage and resistance. Just keep in mind, mods have a voltage drop so it is not 100% accurate based on the batter.

 

[UncleRJ]

Big thanks to everyone for getting back to me.

So basically, box mods are legit, pending you find the right one.
I definitely can see how the regulated power is an advantage and the obvious protections.

I did do a quick glance at the sigelei box mod and the ipv3.
One major gripe i have with those two is that there are no charging ports (or you have to buy a $10 charger separately for the ipv3 on top of paying more already)
this really defeats the purpose for me because I'm already removing my batteries to charge and dont go below 0.2 ohms on my builds.

Are there any other box mods worth looking at?

Also, what formula are you guys using to figure out how many watts an unregulated mod is pumping out?
Scuba Matts explanation tells me the battery he's using to calculate is a 13 amp battery, which i know is probably wrong, so i believe that my formula that I'm using is all sorts of wacky.

Thanks again everyone!!!

I get your point about the lack of a built in charger.

However, in the Siggy and the IPV3 if you have decent batteries you are looking at IMHO about a 5-6 hour charge time.

Me, with my Siggy, I can swap out the battery and charge the spent ones in about 2 hours.

And having a great charger should be one of the first thing a vaper should invest in anyway.

 

[Oggy]

Reason I ordered the Cloupor T6 was that it takes a 26650. Got the Efest 4300 mah 20AMP bats for it. But it also has usb charging. Its only 100 watts but that is more than I will use or need.

 

[Jackson]

I think im missing something here or just not fully understanding.

I understand that box mods can output high wattage, but I'm calculating that I'm getting 84 watts on a fully charged battery (4.2V at 20 continuous amps) with just a LG battery.

That's not correct, you never vape at 4.2V. The voltage needs to calculated/measured while under load. If you wanna just guess use the cell's nominal voltage; 3.7V.

Here's a test by Sense Field on his fancy box @ .5Ω.

Here's using an expensive Zen mod and AW IMR18650/1600mAh/24A battery. You'll note that just using Ohm's Law and the load + voltage it should be 7.02A. Assuming his amp meter is accurate we are seeing a true measured drop of the mod itself. It's chewing up about about .45A.

 

[omeed]

Ohms law calculator will tell you how many based on the voltage and resistance. Just keep in mind, mods have a voltage drop so it is not 100% accurate based on the batter.

Thank you for this!!!

I have a nitecore d4 and the LG HE2's since the sony's are no longer being produced (also helped i found the LG's for way cheaper)

So this brings me to another question.
how often do you guys crank out 100W?

 

[Oggy]

I never went over 30 watts till I got my Dark Horse RDA clone. My patriot and IGO-W didnt have the air flow and would get to harsh. Now I am running the Dark Horse at .45 ohms at about 50 - 60 watts depending on the juice.

 

[omeed]

That's not correct, you never vape at 4.2V. The voltage needs to calculated/measured while under load. If you wanna just guess use the cell's nominal voltage; 3.7V.

Here's a test by Sense Field on his fancy box @ .5Ω.

Here's using an expensive Zen mod and AW IMR18650/1600mAh/24A battery. You'll note that just using Ohm's Law and the load + voltage it should be 7.02A. Assuming his amp meter is accurate we are seeing a true measured drop of the mod itself. It's chewing up about about .45A.

This is epic and that box is really cool.
I see, i never really compensated for voltage drop in the mod.
Do the chips in box mods compensate for voltage drop or not really?

 

[ej1024]

Adjustable power can enhanced the flavor of ur juice...
Mech mods will only give you one taste....

Sent from my
LUMIA 1520

 

[M5amhan]

Dual batteries In series will double the mAh but it loses the benefit of more amp limit vs parallel

i thought it was parallel = double amp limit & double mah, same voltage and series = double voltage, same mah & amp limit

 

[SteveZ]

i thought it was parallel = double amp limit & double mah, same voltage and series = double voltage, same mah & amp limit

Well sort of. Everything good about what you said except the mah statement. In both cases you have two batteries with the stated mah capacities so effectively doubled either way. To illustrate say your circuit draws the same watts with series and parallel batteries. Watts is current times voltage. In the parallel case let's say the current drains the batteries in X seconds. In the series case the voltage is doubled so it draws half the current of the parallel case and so the batteries also drain in X seconds.

 

[SteveZ]

The benefit of the regulated box mod is consistency of vapor. On a mech with a .3 ohm @ 4.2 volt build it will start off at 58 watts and the wattage will decrease as the battery drains. By the time it gets to 3.7 volts it's only putting out 45 watts. I doubt it ever see's 4.2 volts at the atty on a mech. with a .3 build there probably is at least .5 voltage drop under load. The lower the ohm build the more voltage drop. With a high powered regulated device what you set the device at is where it stays until the battery needs charging.
The other benefit of the box mod is dual and triple battery's. In parallel dual batteries will double the amp limit of a single battery. So there is more safety margin with dual and triple battery set ups. Dual batteries In series will double the mAh but it loses the benefit of more amp limit vs parallel

Isn't the amp limit difference between parallel and series batteries compensated for in the series case by the fact that the batteries in series have to supply less current for the same wattage setting?

 

[nano2014]

Big thanks to everyone for getting back to me.

So basically, box mods are legit, pending you find the right one.
I definitely can see how the regulated power is an advantage and the obvious protections.

I did do a quick glance at the sigelei box mod and the ipv3.
One major gripe i have with those two is that there are no charging ports (or you have to buy a $10 charger separately for the ipv3 on top of paying more already)
this really defeats the purpose for me because I'm already removing my batteries to charge and dont go below 0.2 ohms on my builds.

Are there any other box mods worth looking at?

Also, what formula are you guys using to figure out how many watts an unregulated mod is pumping out?
Scuba Matts explanation tells me the battery he's using to calculate is a 13 amp battery, which i know is probably wrong, so i believe that my formula that I'm using is all sorts of wacky.

Thanks again everyone!!!

It may not be the nicest looking box mod but it's simple and still nice. TESLA TWO 4000mah 100w UNREGULATED BOX MOD. this mod is small but packs the punch needed for sub ohming. I love my TESLA TWO. My new Mod is the INCUBUS by EL DIABLO. this mod takes two parallel 18650 in a Gun Clip design. It works wonderful. I have dual .14ohm custom coil build on it and fires great with no issues because it PARALLEL DUAL 18650 so my AMP limit is doubled. But honestly my TESLA TWO being under $50 is far smarter considering how much of a punch it packs firing that continuous 100w My builds were around .25 ohms and nice big clouds with my Velocity Rda. That my favorites are the Tesla Two and the Incubus Box Mod

 

[michaelw]

I think im missing something here or just not fully understanding.

I understand that box mods can output high wattage, but I'm calculating that I'm getting 84 watts on a fully charged battery (4.2V at 20 continuous amps) with just a LG battery.

Just have some general questions about box mods so I can understand this craze happening.

am i calculating this wrong?
is getting those extra 16 watts worth the investment?
benefits of box mods (besides reverse polarity etc.)?
what is the "stepdown" everyone is talking about?
why are people investing in 50W boxmods when you can get more power out of a mech mod?

From Ohms law, i (current) = v/r.

So in your case, the amount of current you're running is 4.2V / R. Supposing R is 0.3 ohm as someone mentioned above, you've got around 14 Amps going through the coil.

To calculate power, the equation can be written P = square(i) * r, so you're Power is 0.3 * (14 squared), which is around 58.8 Watts.

 

[PaulS]

This evening I was vaping on my Satan with a Goon built to .4 ohms. That's around 160 watts to start even allowing voltage drop. It tasted just fine. Mech mods are simple. I can vape an hopur and half off my builds and still get a really solid pull. I can easily maintain and clean them. Try taking apart a regulated mod. Not many do. I guarantee you it is not clean inside. My mechs are clean. My mechs can be repaired without shipping them back to the manufacturer. Most of my mechs are really well built unlike the average regulated piece of Chinese crap. I own many series mods (mechs) and a few parallel mods (mechs). I own very few regulated mods. I slowly sold or traded most away and only kept a squonk and a few stealth vapes for work.

I started vaping a while ago when there were no sub ohm tanks or decent regulated mods. Mechs were a gift then and are still for me. I've had nothing but issues with most of my regulated mods. They all have a to me, limited lifespan. I can keep a mech forever if I maintain it. I really tried to like regulated mods. I tried lipo DNAs, three battery DNAs like the Triade, Yihi Sx Mini Q (hardly a mini), FSK chips, etc. I always end up vaping my mechs at night and often enough bring them to work even if I have to drip.