I followed the link to eBay and bought one as it said in stock shipping...estimated date of delivery was 8/13. Now the listing has been pulled from eBay, this Vapenw sold over 60 of them and the whole time it was a friggin presale. He now says they may be here by the end of the month but more likely mid September....NICE WAY TO SELL PRESALES!
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I have waited up to 3 months for certain mods with pre sales. The vendor is at the mercy of the wholesaler or manufacture. Everything I have read suggests that the Sigelei 100 watt won't be out until early September.
There are good companies and bad ones, all it takes is a failed pre-sale to trash a companies reputation. I know a guy who ran a pre-sale for copper nemesis clones, it took 3 months past the promised date to get the mods into the USA, by then 95% of the customers got refunds, Fasttech had the copper nemesis clones for sale at $20, The dude took a $5 loss on each mod he sold on ebay afterwards.
Sometimes you make money if you got the goods, sometimes you take a loss. That's business.
I ordered a Hana in January, in March I was informed that it would be another 45 days until I got mine, so I cancelled and got a Chana 30W mod shipped and to my door in 4 days. Craigslist and Ebay had a lot of Hana's listed at $350-$400 new, there were literally dozens for sale at a Texas vape meet I attended - all this while customers who ordered Hana's were being told to wait an additional 60 days from the same frigging vendors that were at the vape meet selling Hana's at list price and above. Once the word got out about that shitty business practice, more people bought Chana mods and left Hana to go batshit insane and begin to sue B/M's and internet sales sites. Hana and it's vendors misread the market and took advantage of their potential customers, thus creating a lot of bad Karma for themselves.
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He will win the case and a judgment for use of the trademark name, however, collecting on the lawsuits will be another whole story. The BnM's will suffer a financial burden not based off of the sales of the clones or his loss of sails, but a Per Usage amount for the named mods that are found to have been sold. The BnM's will have to hand over records showing how many were purchased and sold. Half of them will most likely have someone else purchase the mods in question so they can show them as Non sold...Im sure most of them didn't label the receipts as a Chanz mod...Only the really honest ones will have done so, they will be hurt the most as far as the BnM's are concerned, and Hanz will be the one to hurt the most, his company will have trouble finding a vendor for his chips sooner or later. China can sell to anyone they want, and if they don't want to sell to someone, they wont. Sticky business when your buying your material from a company who makes a whole lot more selling to the "clone" market.
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Also, if the BnM's can afford a good attorney, they can show that they labeled them the way they did so that the public understood what the chipset inside was....with no intention on defrauding a trademark.
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I have plenty of mods to not need to gamble with my money.. and then have another company gamble with it. It turns into just waiting, anxiety, and constant emails back and forth looking for updates.. AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT!
I'd much rather wait for the items to stock.. the reviews to come out.. and then have a better idea if its even worth it.. I remember my buddy pre-ordered the GROOVE way back when.. and then they were recalled shortly after.. he waited all that time and paid money up front.. just to have to send it back a couple weeks later..
I'd much rather wait for the items to stock.. the reviews to come out.. and then have a better idea if its even worth it.. I remember my buddy pre-ordered the GROOVE way back when.. and then they were recalled shortly after.. he waited all that time and paid money up front.. just to have to send it back a couple weeks later..
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It's actually a way for a company to grow and compete with larger companies and to secure that you will have one in hand early. I want the 100w, I preordered it - I've been preordering video games for 10years and even they get pushed back sometimes. You guys whine way too often on these forums, grow up. Any company I preorder with will return my money the second I cancel order ESPECIALLY eBay and PayPal as long as you make your claim within 45 days of payment, you even have 20 days to settle after claim is opened if there are delays in shipping or something. Just be an educated consumer.
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Also you don't need to email back and forth and annoy the company you ordered with like a child asking "are we there yet?". If they are trusted they will ship when they can and likely post updates to the website. Plus, don't you have ANY other mods to hold you off? Jesus Christ... I was gonna order the Cana, then I ordered the IPV2, and then Sigelei 100w was released so I cancelled my IPV2 and ordered that and here I am waiting patiently not a single email exchanged with my seller.
Remember:
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Remember:
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"Good things come to those that wait."
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I thought impatience was the whole point of a preorder.
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I would have no problem with a pre-order myself especially if the payment went through PayPal and the credit card I use also protect me.
But only through a vendor that I trust.
And being willing to be most patient as well and expect it when it shows up kinda like Fasttech.
Back to the Hana and the Chana clones.
IMHO the companies that went the extra distance to include the Hana logo, deserve what they get.
On some level, they had to know that they were doing something wrong but still went ahead and did it anyway.
But Hana on the other hand have proven themselves guilty of pure greed with their actions as well.
And have taken a proverbial dump where they eat.
I am quite happy with my $56 dollar version that I got from Focal a month ago.
And I would not have spent $250 on the original Hana to begin with.
But only through a vendor that I trust.
And being willing to be most patient as well and expect it when it shows up kinda like Fasttech.
Back to the Hana and the Chana clones.
IMHO the companies that went the extra distance to include the Hana logo, deserve what they get.
On some level, they had to know that they were doing something wrong but still went ahead and did it anyway.
But Hana on the other hand have proven themselves guilty of pure greed with their actions as well.
And have taken a proverbial dump where they eat.
I am quite happy with my $56 dollar version that I got from Focal a month ago.
And I would not have spent $250 on the original Hana to begin with.
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Most of these small vape companies don't have tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars on hand to drop on these high demand mods, keep their normal stock, and keep their business running all at once. Without fronting the money we would be faced with paying elevated prices as the price goes down with the more mods ordered. I paid $85 shipped (try and find that now) and I will likely be in the first batch while everybody who didn't preorder searches for a place to find one and/or pays elevated prices. I didn't make a choice out of impatience, I made it as an educated consumer. My current mods +/- buttons don't work unless they are pretty much shoved into the mod, but I practice patience with that too. I see the 100w as the perfect fit and replacement for me for a number of reasons and as badly as I need a new mod I just sit and hope this one doesn't fully break before the 100w gets in and even if it did there's an ego at the vape shop with my name on it and this would be here in the coming weeks. There are always other options but you cannot control time and neither can the shop you order with.
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^^ smart consumer
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I think in the vaping community "Patience is a Virgin."
Cause she ain't gettin much lovin'!!
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It has long since been relisted. Vendors do that from time to time to keep their listings fresh - but its still going strong.
http://vaporjoe.blogspot.com/2014/08/relisted-sigelei-100-watt-goes-live-for.html