Single Flavors then combine for complexity

[SandbaggerStew]

Hi all,
Has anyone made single flavors i.e. 10% flavor (any), steeped it for a few weeks then combined with other flavors? Have been making combinations with .5%-6% for each flavor and it's VERY weak after all the waiting.
I always use a coffee frothier 3 times, warm water baths then a steep. Still nothing.
Thanks,
Stew

 

[Smoky Blue]

Hi all,
Has anyone made single flavors i.e. 10% flavor (any), steeped it for a few weeks then combined with other flavors? Have been making combinations with .5%-6% for each flavor and it's VERY weak after all the waiting.
I always use a coffee frothier 3 times, warm water baths then a steep. Still nothing.
Thanks,
Stew

depending on what you are working with, you might be over steeping, or.. not using enough flavoring..
what flavor company, and can you pop up a sample recipe?

 

[SandbaggerStew]

depending on what you are working with, you might be over steeping, or.. not using enough flavoring..
what flavor company, and can you pop up a sample recipe?

1) All Fa: Banana 3%, Coconut 2%, Vanilla Classic 1%. 75%pg/25%vg. 3mg nic. Steeped 14 days in cabinet.
2) TFA Cheesecake (Graham Crust) 3%, FA Tiramisu 1%. Same pg/vg/nic. Same process
ipv mini 2, Kanger subtank mini w/rba .8ohm build
Over steeping? Didn't know that's possible.
Thanks Smoky

 

[Graham Bradley]

i'd say try more flavor.

 

[Smoky Blue]

1) All Fa: Banana 3%, Coconut 2%, Vanilla Classic 1%. 75%pg/25%vg. 3mg nic. Steeped 14 days in cabinet.
2) TFA Cheesecake (Graham Crust) 3%, FA Tiramisu 1%. Same pg/vg/nic. Same process
ipv mini 2, Kanger subtank mini w/rba .8ohm build
Over steeping? Didn't know that's possible.
Thanks Smoky

drop that coconut down to 1% for #1 could be one reason..

Hi all,
Has anyone made single flavors i.e. 10% flavor (any), steeped it for a few weeks then combined with other flavors? Have been making combinations with .5%-6% for each flavor and it's VERY weak after all the waiting.
I always use a coffee frothier 3 times, warm water baths then a steep. Still nothing.
Thanks,
Stew

now.. with what you have on your original post... let me break things down...

Has anyone made single flavors i.e. 10% flavor (any) <<yes..

steeped it for a few weeks then combined with other flavors? << sometimes, depending on what it is and the effect I want..

Have been making combinations with .5%-6% for each flavor and it's VERY weak after all the waiting.

now here is My question: what is this bit? ^^^^^^^

Are you trying to say you made juice, and only took .5-.6% of the juice and tried to make more juice?
Or.. are you trying to put flavoring at .5-.6% and cant taste anything??

Over steeping? Didn't know that's possible. << you can push and push past a point.. if your juices are nasty, chances are its oversteeped.. if its faded.. you have over flavored..

 

[lirruping]

Hi all,
Has anyone made single flavors i.e. 10% flavor (any), steeped it for a few weeks then combined with other flavors? Have been making combinations with .5%-6% for each flavor and it's VERY weak after all the waiting.
I always use a coffee frothier 3 times, warm water baths then a steep. Still nothing.
Thanks,
Stew

Before I started DIY, I was getting compensated in e-juice for some work I did, so I would ask for single flavors (from TFA or FW) at whatever percentage, and then experiment with blending those for instant results--very little or no waiting necessary. I had dozens of single flavors mixed into e-juice, almost none of which I'd vape on their own. But every time I'd fill a tank, I'd have a little adventure.

One downside is that, as you can imagine, it's complicated to get at a percentage-based recipe using this method. I wasn't measuring either, just estimating/eying...flying by the seat of my pants. It did give me a good general sense of how this and that go together, and at what approximate ratios.

Your FA percentages look mostly okay--you should be able to taste them right away at those percentages. The TFA example you gave looks low for something you are going to mix with other flavors.

 

[lirruping]

Also, if you are mixing up single flavors specifically to mix with other mixed single flavors, you probably want to mix them at higher ("standalone") percentages than you would use in a regular DIY recipe.

I wonder if you've just recently stopped smoking and your buds are adjusting?

 

[CurlyxCracker]

1) All Fa: Banana 3%, Coconut 2%, Vanilla Classic 1%. 75%pg/25%vg. 3mg nic. Steeped 14 days in cabinet.
2) TFA Cheesecake (Graham Crust) 3%, FA Tiramisu 1%. Same pg/vg/nic. Same process
ipv mini 2, Kanger subtank mini w/rba .8ohm build
Over steeping? Didn't know that's possible.
Thanks Smoky

I'd say your percentages are pretty on point...
Over steeping? No, not in my opinion. Only a FEW flavors (mainly fruits) have grown weaker with time.
And you're mostly PG....
And only 3mg nic...
I'm personally against heat steeping, but most seem to have no issues. So I don't see that as the issue....
I use close to those percentages myself.
Have you tried a different atomizer? Rda, pre built coil? What's your wick?
Are you a dual user by chance? Vaper and smoker?
This sure is a interesting one....
What percentage TFA Graham?

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Also, if you are mixing up single flavors specifically to mix with other mixed single flavors, you probably want to mix them at higher ("standalone") percentages than you would use in a regular DIY recipe.

I wonder if you've just recently stopped smoking and your buds are adjusting?

This also... I remember I could taste nic in every high nic liquid when my taste buds recovered.... Really changed my tasters

 

[SandbaggerStew]

drop that coconut down to 1% for #1 could be one reason..




now.. with what you have on your original post... let me break things down...

Has anyone made single flavors i.e. 10% flavor (any) <<yes..

steeped it for a few weeks then combined with other flavors? << sometimes, depending on what it is and the effect I want..



now here is My question: what is this bit? ^^^^^^^

Are you trying to say you made juice, and only took .5-.6% of the juice and tried to make more juice?
Or.. are you trying to put flavoring at .5-.6% and cant taste anything??

Over steeping? Didn't know that's possible. << you can push and push past a point.. if your juices are nasty, chances are its oversteeped.. if its faded.. you have over flavored..

Hey Smokey,
1st question-No
Your 2nd question is yes, .5%-6% flavoring in any mix.
Please see my response to Curley at the end of this thread...
Thanks for your input. Appreciate it !

 

[SandbaggerStew]

I'd say your percentages are pretty on point...
Over steeping? No, not in my opinion. Only a FEW flavors (mainly fruits) have grown weaker with time.
And you're mostly PG....
And only 3mg nic...
I'm personally against heat steeping, but most seem to have no issues. So I don't see that as the issue....
I use close to those percentages myself.
Have you tried a different atomizer? Rda, pre built coil? What's your wick?
Are you a dual user by chance? Vaper and smoker?
This sure is a interesting one....
What percentage TFA Graham?

Curley,
I have not tried a different atomizer. Thats all I have. Make my own coils. Japanese cotton.
I am not a duel user. Quit smoking 2 years ago.
TFA Graham 3%
Thanks.

 

[SandbaggerStew]

This also... I remember I could taste nic in every high nic liquid when my taste buds recovered.... Really changed my tasters

Ok, Think I hit on the problem. Have some 5% TFA Belgian Waffle Straight (NO NIC) 4 weeks old. Nicely steeped.
Put it in my tank and it was Awesome !
Added 100mg nic to 3%mg (just a few drops) and totally changed the juice. Vaped immediately. Strong, dry, harsh and bitter.
So, my next question: Does nicotine become more subtle with time (steeping)?
Thanks Curley

 

[SandbaggerStew]

I'd say your percentages are pretty on point...
Over steeping? No, not in my opinion. Only a FEW flavors (mainly fruits) have grown weaker with time.
And you're mostly PG....
And only 3mg nic...
I'm personally against heat steeping, but most seem to have no issues. So I don't see that as the issue....
I use close to those percentages myself.
Have you tried a different atomizer? Rda, pre built coil? What's your wick?
Are you a dual user by chance? Vaper and smoker?
This sure is a interesting one....
What percentage TFA Graham?

Got a Vulcan clone on the way. Venturing into uncharted RDA waters. Can't wait !

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Curley,
I have not tried a different atomizer. Thats all I have. Make my own coils. Japanese cotton.
I am not a duel user. Quit smoking 2 years ago.
TFA Graham 3%
Thanks.

Where's it from? The nic... What carrier, pg or vg? Also how old/how was it stored?
Nic, pg, VG, flavors all can change a mix for the bad, or better.
Nic degrades over time, ie gets worse, not better from the moment air/heat is introduced. Bad nic will remain bad. It won't get better.
I recently got in a little debate over this BUT it worked for me. Try some clean nic, I recommend VT nic, Bullcityvapor.com has sample sizes available and at one point @Roundhouse was throwing in samples with orders if requested, sorry if he no longer is but worth a shot, eh? I found it allowed flavors to come through better than WL nic. PG based will keep longer. Also Coupon code VU6 for 6% off.
Great company, my sole DIY provider actually (not affiliated, although I so wish I could be )

Ok, Think I hit on the problem. Have some 5% TFA Belgian Waffle Straight (NO NIC) 4 weeks old. Nicely steeped.
Put it in my tank and it was Awesome !
Added 100mg nic to 3%mg (just a few drops) and totally changed the juice. Vaped immediately. Strong, dry, harsh and bitter.
So, my next question: Does nicotine become more subtle with time (steeping)?
Thanks Curley

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Got a Vulcan clone on the way. Venturing into uncharted RDA waters. Can't wait !

Flavor central, almost any rda beats a tank system, in flavor.... Just a little too inconvenient sometimes, i.e. Driving.... These new sub tanks blow my mind from what I started on though, those ce4 style tanks were great then but Holy crap the stuff available now blows my mind!

 

[SandbaggerStew]

Where's it from? The nic... What carrier, pg or vg? Also how old/how was it stored?
Nic, pg, VG, flavors all can change a mix for the bad, or better.
Nic degrades over time, ie gets worse, not better from the moment air/heat is introduced. Bad nic will remain bad. It won't get better.
I recently got in a little debate over this BUT it worked for me. Try some clean nic, I recommend VT nic, Bullcityvapor.com has sample sizes available and at one point @Roundhouse was throwing in samples with orders if requested, sorry if he no longer is but worth a shot, eh? I found it allowed flavors to come through better than WL nic. PG based will keep longer. Also Coupon code VU6 for 6% off.
Great company, my sole DIY provider actually (not affiliated, although I so wish I could be )

Got my nic from ecigexpress (100mg pg). Got it in Feb-kept in cabinet in basement (dark,cool) Also got a big bottle of 50/50 pg/vg from same. Saw a thread once to vape JUST the base to see if it had any flavor. I did so and had absolutely none. Since then, I have switched to Bullcity separate pg/vg bases. I like being able to increase pg. Not a big cloud guy, so not a huge need for vg. Been making my mixes now with 75/25 pg/vg. Got the 100mg nic for economic reason.
So, I will order BC nic, but do I stick with 100mg, or go down to 24/48/60 ? Never go above 4mg in any mix. Also, what is WL nic?
Big thanks !!!

 

[SandbaggerStew]

Flavor central, almost any rda beats a tank system, in flavor.... Just a little too inconvenient sometimes, i.e. Driving.... These new sub tanks blow my mind from what I started on though, those ce4 style tanks were great then but Holy crap the stuff available now blows my mind!

Like my Kanger Nano (no RBA), but love my Kanger mini. Easy to build. Must say though I've gotten quite good at rebuilding Kanger OCC heads. Takes a while but saves a tone of money. I just sit for an hour and rebuild 5 at a time which lasts at least 4-6 weeks.
Thanks...

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Got my nic from ecigexpress (100mg pg). Got it in Feb-kept in cabinet in basement (dark,cool) Also got a big bottle of 50/50 pg/vg from same. Saw a thread once to vape JUST the base to see if it had any flavor. I did so and had absolutely none. Since then, I have switched to Bullcity separate pg/vg bases. I like being able to increase pg. Not a big cloud guy, so not a huge need for vg. Been making my mixes now with 75/25 pg/vg. Got the 100mg nic for economic reason.
So, I will order BC nic, but do I stick with 100mg, or go down to 24/48/60 ? Never go above 4mg in any mix. Also, what is WL nic?
Big thanks !!!

A bit pricer but I highly recommend the VapersTek nic BullCity offers, although their regular is fine, VT is better imo though. If you feel comfortable working with 100mg,i say stick with that. If you get a large amount I also recommend you get some amber glass bottles and store all but a month or two worth in the freezer.
WL is Wizard Labs.

 

[SandbaggerStew]

A bit pricer but I highly recommend the VapersTek nic BullCity offers, although their regular is fine, VT is better imo though. If you feel comfortable working with 100mg,i say stick with that. If you get a large amount I also recommend you get some amber glass bottles and store all but a month or two worth in the freezer.
WL is Wizard Labs.

Yeah, won't get a large amount. Freezer, huh? Interesting. Saw good reviews on their nic. Will definitely get that. What VT nic do you use?

 

[CurlyxCracker]

Yeah, won't get a large amount. Freezer, huh? Interesting. Saw good reviews on their nic. Will definitely get that. What VT nic do you use?

I have a PG sensitivity. So I get VT 100mg in VG from BullCity. But have both VG and PG bases in my freezer now.
Yes idea is too fill glass to absolute brim and stick in the freezer, less air to oxidize it and freezing also drastically slows oxidation. I personally vape 3-6mg so I have quite the stock pile. Also if you do plan to freeze, I recommend PG base as nic in PG will oxidize slower than nic in VG base,because vg is a humectant. Also go 100mg to store it as well, less/smaller bottles.
I have them split in 60ml bottles and I pull half that bottle and then top them both back up with vg and mix. One goes back in freezer (now 50mg labeled) and one stays out to use.

 

[Professor Snape]

1) All Fa: Banana 3%, Coconut 2%, Vanilla Classic 1%. 75%pg/25%vg. 3mg nic. Steeped 14 days in cabinet.
2) TFA Cheesecake (Graham Crust) 3%, FA Tiramisu 1%. Same pg/vg/nic. Same process
ipv mini 2, Kanger subtank mini w/rba .8ohm build
Over steeping? Didn't know that's possible.
Thanks Smoky

For my taste, when I create a recipe, my combined flavors always total around 20% of the total volume.

 

[Pauly Walnuts]

For my taste, when I create a recipe, my combined flavors always total around 20% of the total volume.

What atty are you using and what device are you using it on?

 

[Pauly Walnuts]

Hi all,
Has anyone made single flavors i.e. 10% flavor (any), steeped it for a few weeks then combined with other flavors? Have been making combinations with .5%-6% for each flavor and it's VERY weak after all the waiting.
I always use a coffee frothier 3 times, warm water baths then a steep. Still nothing.
Thanks,
Stew

First standalones, then simple combinations, then more complex ones. Sometimes, its important to throw some shit at the wall and see what sticks.
For FA flavors, between 0.5% and 6% is right where its at, so keep it up, youll get there.

While steeping is important, there have been very few flavors that were not 'damn close' within a few days, and less flavors that were not close within a week. It seems to me that you are WAAYYYY overthinking this aspect and wasting alot of effort in the process.

How large does a batch have to be to use a coffee frothier? Because if its an experimental batch, that your not sure will work, why make so much? I make alot of teeny batches, less than 10ml until I know its good. Make a few small batches of different amounts of flavorings, so you can tell the difference between percentages. I find that thrift store shot glasses work great for this.

Save the insanity until your on the edge of awesome. Keep it simple when experimenting.

 

[SandbaggerStew]

First standalones, then simple combinations, then more complex ones. Sometimes, its important to throw some shit at the wall and see what sticks.
For FA flavors, between 0.5% and 6% is right where its at, so keep it up, youll get there.

While steeping is important, there have been very few flavors that were not 'damn close' within a few days, and less flavors that were not close within a week. It seems to me that you are WAAYYYY overthinking this aspect and wasting alot of effort in the process.

How large does a batch have to be to use a coffee frothier? Because if its an experimental batch, that your not sure will work, why make so much? I make alot of teeny batches, less than 10ml until I know its good. Make a few small batches of different amounts of flavorings, so you can tell the difference between percentages. I find that thrift store shot glasses work great for this.

Save the insanity until your on the edge of awesome. Keep it simple when experimenting.

Yeah, I make a bunch of tiny batches too. The coffee (milk) frothier works great with any amount. 3ml-30ml. It's like a mini blender. Bought 3 of them from Amazon for $12.00. Mix until it's full of bubbles. Let clear and repeat 2 more times then hot water bath for a few hours. As stated above, I think my problem is not the flavors, but the nic.
Thanks Pauley...

 

[Pauly Walnuts]

Im going to look into those frothiers, sounds interesting.

I would try VT nic for sure. Ive used it and have always been very happy with it. Ive also uses wizard labs nic and it works pretty well for me (though some others say its a bit more harsh). I have never used ecx nic, but never heard anything terrible about it either.

 

[Smoky Blue]

love to know how one would fit a milk frother into a 3ml bit of juice.. lol..

 

[JXN]

I did it in a shot glass way back in the early days...8 months ago.

 

[Teresa P]

love to know how one would fit a milk frother into a 3ml bit of juice.. lol..

This works pretty well.....

 

[Smoky Blue]

This works pretty well.....

Cant see what you are showing, @Teresa P but I know I'd never do only 3ml in a shot glass lol..

 

[Teresa P]

Cant see what you are showing, @Teresa P but I know I'd never do only 3ml in a shot glass lol..

I've had this problem before with some eBay links not showing up, very frustrating....at any rate, it's a little pen-style, handheld cocktail mixer, runs on batteries. Works very well in confined space.

 

[Smoky Blue]

still nada

 

[Teresa P]

 

[Smoky Blue]

my point being.. using a milk frother on a 3ml bit of juice.. is stupid..
ya wont even cover up much of the frother I have. and this is for my smaller batches..
I do have a larger frother.. and an even larger one for over 500ml batches..



this is sample vials of my Peach Overload, 2 ml along with 3ml marked off on a syringe, and the smallest frother I have..

my next sized..

and the next largest

but if you can froth 3ml.. lol my hats off to you..

 

[Teresa P]

Lol! I usually do no less than 10ml to sample and seldom, if ever, make more than 120ml for myself - and even then it has to rock my world....lol! But I'm not in business and only mix small quantities for a few friends, so the cocktail blender was more practical.
And I finally found the Peach Overload in the recipes thread, gonna be making a base mix here in a bit since I'm off today.

 

[Smoky Blue]

looks like you will go higher than 10ml to tackle Peach Overload..
as for the rest.. I can not say anything.. I mix for pleasure.. mine and others..

 

[Teresa P]

Most definitely! But if I just mix up a vat of the flavoring, I can overload myself with your wonderful peaches whenever I wish....

 

[Smoky Blue]

Most definitely! But if I just mix up a vat of the flavoring, I can overload myself with your wonderful peaches whenever I wish....

You can try it that way.. I have..
but unless you add the nic your base ratio and flavors, it wont be as good.
{and vat rofl.. }}
It is a very complex recipe and you will be the first, besides me to have mixed this
Happy Vaping!

 

[SandbaggerStew]

Im going to look into those frothiers, sounds interesting.

I would try VT nic for sure. Ive used it and have always been very happy with it. Ive also uses wizard labs nic and it works pretty well for me (though some others say its a bit more harsh). I have never used ecx nic, but never heard anything terrible about it either.

my point being.. using a milk frother on a 3ml bit of juice.. is stupid..
ya wont even cover up much of the frother I have. and this is for my smaller batches..
I do have a larger frother.. and an even larger one for over 500ml batches..

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this is sample vials of my Peach Overload, 2 ml along with 3ml marked off on a syringe, and the smallest frother I have..

my next sized..

View attachment 19964 and the next largest View attachment 19965

but if you can froth 3ml.. lol my hats off to you..

Ok Smokey, My Blackhawks hat off to you. Very impressed with your frothiers. I only have the one like your pink hand held. And yes, you can mix 3ml, but in a slim shot glass. Stupid? yes, but- I am a novice though learning fast from all on this site. Usually don't do anything lower than 10ml for 1st test juice. Funny note: when I first started DIY, found a video of some guy who zip tied his bottles to a Sawzall to mix his juices. Hilarious !
Thanks,
Stew

 

[Pauly Walnuts]

I use a 20-60ml syringe, with no needle and the locking collar cut off. I suck it up and shoot it back in, maybe 10-20 times. It mixes really well and gets alot of air into the juice itself.
But Im lookin at those funny little propellers. Id only need the 'propeller bit', since I have a variable speed dremel.

 

[Professor Snape]

What atty are you using and what device are you using it on?

I'm using a Lemo 2 and a Goblin both on Eleaf IStick 50's.