Smallest RTA to go along with this Baby?

[Vapomizer]

So i saw the new iStick Pico 75W stealth mod and found it to be very innovative and became so fascinated with it, i need a small yet high performance RTA to pair it with, i have the El Diablo RTA 2.5ml in mind based on a previous recommendation by @raymo2u but i am open to other suggestions as well, i am a big Griffin fan, so something with a similar performance, ease of building/wicking and aesthetics yet smaller would be preferred.

 

[raymo2u]

For a RTA the Diablo and Goblin Mini is about it...
a Micro TFV4 with RBA would also be suitable...

Cant fault or beat the Diablo for its size and its capabilities, its a Griffin in a Goblin Mini package...

 

[Vapomizer]

For a RTA the Diablo and Goblin Mini is about it...
a Micro TFV4 with RBA would also be suitable...

Cant fault or beat the Diablo for its size and its capabilities, its a Griffin in a Goblin Mini package...

Thanks for stepping in Ray,

1- Does any of these two RTAs (Diablo & Goblin) have adjustable positive pin? you know this is an Eleaf mod so probably the 510 will be a bit short, the positive pin can not stick out a bit for the tank to sit flush, can i screw the pin all the way in to make it perfectly flat?

2- Should i get the original Diablo or a clone? and in this case which clone do you recommend? is it cloned by many or just one? where do you suggest i buy the clone from?

3- Problem with the TFV4 is that i do not trust its top-fill cap while sitting in my pocket, i need something that would screw on tightly and seal completely, also having been too used by now to velocity style decks and the ease of building the TFV4 will be a pain in the ass to build, will be going backwards with this one.

Thanks again and sorry to bother you with so many questions

 

[raymo2u]

1- Does any of these two RTAs (Diablo & Goblin) have adjustable positive pin? you know this is an Eleaf mod so probably the 510 will be a bit short, the positive pin can not stick out a bit for the tank to sit flush, can i screw the pin all the way in to make it perfectly flat?

Yes, They Both Do

2- Should i get the original Diablo or a clone? and in this case which clone do you recommend? is it cloned by many or just one? where do you suggest i buy the clone from?

Get a Diablo Clone on Ebay, Ill provide the link for the one I purchased. LINK

3- Problem with the TFV4 is that i do not trust its top-fill cap while sitting in my pocket, i need something that would screw on tightly and seal completely, also having been too used by now to velocity style decks and the easy of building the TFV4 will be a pain in the ass to build, will be going backwards with this one.

Yea I was just suggesting it due to its size and RBA.

Thanks again and sorry to bother you with so many questions
Np

 

[Vapomizer]

Get a Diablo Clone on Ebay, Ill provide the link for the one I purchased. LINK

This link brings up a few sellers, are these all the same clones? i will get the mod from China so i am not in a hurry for the tank, does Fasttech, HeavenGifts or Efun have it? is it the same? is there a way to identify the source of a clone or know if you are getting a certain clone or the other by identifiable marks?

 

[Wingsfan0310]

This link bring up a few sellers, are these all the same clones? i will get the mod from China so i am not in a hurry for the tank, does Fasttech, HeavenGifts or Efun have it? is it the same? is there a way to identify the source of a clone or know if you are getting a certain clone or the other by identifiable marks?

When I just clicked on Ray's link the sale had already ended. That's why so many different choices came up. In small print at the top it also said the seller has relisted this item with a link. Here's that link if your interested.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[JERUS]

This link bring up a few sellers, are these all the same clones? i will get the mod from China so i am not in a hurry for the tank, does Fasttech, HeavenGifts or Efun have it? is it the same? is there a way to identify the source of a clone or know if you are getting a certain clone or the other by identifiable marks?

Fasttech has taken me 3 weeks so far and it is finally scheduled to be here Saturday.

The thing to look for is the chimney size, there are 2 different sizes of diablo, one you barely see any chimney at all (first in his link I think) and the other you see a much more pronounced chimney, that's the larger size. Smaller size has airflow control, larger doesn't but has some other stuff including more capacity, but then also larger).

So yeah, save $7-8 and wait a month or just get it now... I wish I had gone ebay initially. Good news is the one I got from fasttech shouldn't have any branding I believe, which is a plus for me.

 

[Vapomizer]

When I just clicked on Ray's link the sale had already ended. That's why so many different choices came up. In small print at the top it also said the seller has relisted this product with a link. Here's that link if your interested.

Cheers,
Steve

Thanks for pointing that out

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Thanks for pointing that out

No problem at all.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Vapomizer]

Fasttech has taken me 3 weeks so far and it is finally scheduled to be here Saturday.

The thing to look for is the chimney size, there are 2 different sizes of diablo, one you barely see any chimney at all (first in his link I think) and the other you see a much more pronounced chimney, that's the larger size. Smaller size has airflow control, larger doesn't but has some other stuff including more capacity, but then also larger).

So yeah, save $7-8 and wait a month or just get it now... I wish I had gone ebay initially. Good news is the one I got from fasttech shouldn't have any branding I believe, which is a plus for me.

Very useful info, the thing is that time does not really matter, 4 weeks are ok for me to wait, since i am getting the mod from China and i need that small RTA for use exclusively with this mod as a stealth pocket setup for out and about (which i been wanting for a long time) so i would not benefit by getting the RTA before the mod since i have no use for a 2.5ml tank otherwise.

I was looking for something small and pocket friendly for a long time and was even going to purchase one of those pen style kits, but once i saw the Pico i realized that was it, that is what i been waiting for

 

[JERUS]

Very useful info, the thing is that time does not really matter, 4 weeks are ok for me to wait, since i am getting the mod from China and i need that small RTA for use exclusively with this mod as a stealth pocket setup for out and about (which i been wanting for a long time) so i would not benefit by getting the RTA before the mod since i have no use for a 2.5ml tank otherwise.

I was looking for something small and pocket friendly for a long time and was even going to purchase one of those pen style kits, but once i saw the Pico i realized that was it, that is what i been waiting for

I did the same but with the Mini Volt. So for now I have a little Freakshow mini on it and a 15ml bottle. 40w is no 75w but with the right build it seems to be solid (28g FCs on the freakshow currently work well, and I got some tinier FCs for when the Diablo comes in).

 

[Vapomizer]

I did the same but with the Mini Volt. So for now I have a little Freakshow mini on it and a 15ml bottle. 40w is no 75w but with the right build it seems to be solid (28g FCs on the freakshow currently work well, and I got some tinier FCs for when the Diablo comes in).

Was considering the mini volt myself but the 1300mAh built in bat, 40W was not gonna cut it, also did not like the aesthetics all that much, the good thing about the Pico is that you could replace the cell the same way you would topfill a tank, so with two extra bats in my pocket and 15ml bottle this thing could last me forever, plus i appreciate the innovations they have put into the device.

 

[JERUS]

Totally hear ya, but I wanted something tiny and the Mini Volt surely is, you're at about 15mm longer and wider on the Pico, going to be an awesome pocket device. I may have to pick one of those up at some point. But, isn't that how it always goes? Right after you get the ideal setup something new comes out that obsoletes it?

 

[Vapomizer]

Totally hear ya, but I wanted something tiny and the Mini Volt surely is, you're at about 15mm longer and wider on the Pico, going to be an awesome pocket device. I may have to pick one of those up at some point. But, isn't that how it always goes? Right after you get the ideal setup something new comes out that obsoletes it?

Works the same with all electronics, mods, phones, TVs, computers .. got used to it by now, the "ideal setup" is whatever works for you regardless of what gets released after, the thing with the mini volt is that i could not justify the "boxy" form factor for the specs, 1300mAh 40W is not much different from the eGo ONE, SUBVOD, SMOK ONE etc .. and if i will go that low on specs i prefer the pen style better, box mods are supposed to give so much more to justify its boxiness and IMO the mini volt does not deliver to be honest.

BTW, which of the Diablos you think is better? the one with the adjustable airflow or the one with the "other features"? you did not mention what those other features are?

 

[JERUS]

Works the same with all electronics, mods, phones, TVs, computers .. got used to it by now, the "ideal setup" is whatever works for you regardless of what gets released after, the thing with the mini volt is that i could not justify the "boxy" form factor for the specs, 1300mAh 40W is not much different from the eGo ONE, SUBVOD, SMOK ONE etc .. and if i will go that low on specs i prefer the pen style better, box mods are supposed to give so much more to justify its boxiness and IMO the mini volt does not deliver to be honest.

BTW, which of the Diablos you think is better? the one with the adjustable airflow or the one with the "other features"? you did not mention what those other features are?

Main thing on the Diablos is size, I went with the 2.5 because it makes it that much smaller, the other gets an additional 7-10mm on height (don't remember exactly). But it has different drip tip features, Raymo would be able to elaborate I know he has both and I only know about those differences because of his writeups. The airflow was a nice perk of the smaller option I was already set on getting for a pocket setup, or that's how I saw it.

As for Mini volt boxiness, again I hear you but I think you underestimate just how small that thing is. I can hold it in my palm with my freakshow on it and you can't see the thing, you can tell something is in my hand but that's it. Anyways, the Pico seems superior just a little bit taller/wider but nearly double the power and replaceable battery, just saying the Mini volt surprised me how tiny it was when I took the time to analyze the specs and then when it came in I realized that the pictures I had seen with people holding it just have tiny hands

Picture for relevant sizes though. CF Maxx, Sig 150, CF Mod, XCube II, and Mini Volt.

 

[raymo2u]

5ml vs 2.5ml and them on Balrog and Noisy Cricket...


Goblin Mini vs Diablo 2.5ml

 

[AlbyKortoona]

I bought my brother a mini volt for his birthday, and after seeing and holding it in person, even though I certainly don't need it I have to get one....

 

[Vapomizer]

Main thing on the Diablos is size, I went with the 2.5 because it makes it that much smaller, the other gets an additional 7-10mm on height (don't remember exactly). But it has different drip tip features, Raymo would be able to elaborate I know he has both and I only know about those differences because of his writeups. The airflow was a nice perk of the smaller option I was already set on getting for a pocket setup, or that's how I saw it.

As for Mini volt boxiness, again I hear you but I think you underestimate just how small that thing is. I can hold it in my palm with my freakshow on it and you can't see the thing, you can tell something is in my hand but that's it. Anyways, the Pico seems superior just a little bit taller/wider but nearly double the power and replaceable battery, just saying the Mini volt surprised me how tiny it was when I took the time to analyze the specs and then when it came in I realized that the pictures I had seen with people holding it just have tiny hands

Picture for relevant sizes though. CF Maxx, Sig 150, CF Mod, XCube II, and Mini Volt.

That is probably a very personal thing, i am not a fan of the box form factor, for some reason it inconveniences me, probably because it does not resemble a cigarette so it does not give me that smoking experience, i consider using a box mod a sacrifice of convenience for the sake of performance and advanced features, so if i am to give up that performance i would go for a pen style instead, again i think is a very personal preference

 

[Vapomizer]

5ml vs 2.5ml and them on Balrog and Noisy Cricket...
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Goblin Mini vs Diablo 2.5ml
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That is so beautiful man, can't wait to get my hands on the Pico with the 2.5ml Diablo, i feel that will be my go to setup even at home.

I see the Goblin Mini has smaller deck and chamber and more liquid capacity.

Do you think it is worth investing in an original Diablo?

 

[raymo2u]

That is so beautiful man, can't wait to get my hands on the Pico with the 2.5ml Diablo, i feel that will be my go to setup even at home.

I see the Goblin Mini has smaller deck and chamber and more liquid capacity.

Do you think it is worth investing in an original Diablo?

The Goblin Mini is 2ml's...The Diablo is 2.5ml's and has Top fill and a deck that has the same capabilities as the Griffin.
I just built and sold @BPROSEK a Diablo 2.5ml...
Goblin Mini vs 2.5ml Diablo...this was a comparison that I did a week or 2 ago..The goblin is slightly small.er in every way but I dont feel its worth the size reduced...



Adjustable Airflow...

 

[Vapomizer]

The Goblin Mini is 2ml's...The Diablo is 2.5ml's and has Top fill and a deck that has the same capabilities as the Griffin.
I just built and sold @BPROSEK a Diablo 2.5ml...
Goblin Mini vs 2.5ml Diablo...this was a comparison that I did a week or 2 ago..The goblin is slightly small.er in every way but I dont feel its worth the size reduced...
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Adjustable Airflow...
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Goblin Mini does not have topfill? deal breaker, the Diablo will be it, is there a possibility to post a pic of the Diablo with the adjustable positive pin screwed in as far as possible? just want to confirm it does not stick out at all, the last thing i want is a tank that does not sit flush on the Pico.

 

[raymo2u]

Goblin Mini does not have topfill? deal breaker, the Diablo will be it, is there a possibility to post a pic of the Diablo with the adjustable positive pin screwed in as far as possible? just want to confirm it does not stick out at all, the last thing i want is a tank that does not sit flush on the Pico.

The Woman went to the store with the Diabvlo 2.5ml/Kanger 70W but will be back later, the 5ml pin protrudes a bit, the 2.5ml does not..

 

[f1r3b1rd]

I'm thinking either Pico, Goblin mini, or silverplay nano with bellcap

splay nano

 

[raymo2u]

For now, this is about how far it goes in...

 

[raymo2u]

A Nectar may be a decent RDA/Modern Genny also for it...

 

[Vapomizer]

For now, this is about how far it goes in...

Looks good enough, would appreciate a live photo once you have it back in hand, just do it at your convenience, no hurry.

 

[AlbyKortoona]

I just built and sold @BPROSEK a Diablo 2.5ml...

hmm, what else are you building and selling?

 

[raymo2u]

hmm, what else are you building and selling?

Nothing much, he wanted one and he gave more then I asked so I happily gave away a setup built and wicked for him...I really only have RDA's a few RTA's and a VCMT 25mm...which that may be the next thing I sell with a fresh build/wicked..

 

[kross8]

So i saw the new iStick Pico 75W stealth mod and found it to be very innovative and became so fascinated with it, i need a small yet high performance RTA to pair it with, i have the El Diablo RTA 2.5ml in mind based on a previous recommendation by @raymo2u but i am open to other suggestions as well, i am a big Griffin fan, so something with a similar performance, ease of building/wicking and aesthetics yet smaller would be preferred.

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nice! much nicer than the fasttech Phantus i am still waiting on. mine says i can have a 22mm dia tank (rta of course) i am shopping some tanks now,, and im liking yours more than mine now.......great more money to spend!

 

[raymo2u]

nice! much nicer than the fasttech Phantus i am still waiting on. mine says i can have a 22mm dia tank (rta of course) i am shopping some tanks now,, and im liking yours more than mine now.......great more money to spend!

That is either the 18350 or 18490 version, the 18650 version isnt that small and its a heavy motha.

 

[kross8]

That is either the 18350 or 18490 version, the 18650 version isnt that small and its a heavy motha.

18350,,yeah,, i am a bit worried about the weight. i wanted to make sure i had some kind of mech incase the 'smart chip' dies in the ones i have. my nebox has 'chip issues',, my topbox is fine for now. i just got a LPG (copper stick mech) but i havent set it up yet and need to buy batteries.--kind of regretting it and the phantus because i bought them when i first started and i didn't think about a safety 'knob'/lock for either at the time.

 

[AlbyKortoona]

Nothing much, he wanted one and he gave more then I asked so I happily gave away a setup built and wicked for him...I really only have RDA's a few RTA's and a VCMT 25mm...which that may be the next thing I sell with a fresh build/wicked..

Ok, just checking The Diablo I ordered is supposedly in Chicago, but I've watched them sit there for about a week. Got a new Mut with the velocity deck and a Baal v3 clone that needs the post holes drilled out bigger, so have enough play with till the Diablo shows up.

 

[JERUS]

Goblin Mini does not have topfill? deal breaker, the Diablo will be it, is there a possibility to post a pic of the Diablo with the adjustable positive pin screwed in as far as possible? just want to confirm it does not stick out at all, the last thing i want is a tank that does not sit flush on the Pico.

I don't remember where I saw the "mod guards"/spacers, they make these little felt cutouts that can be used to either fill that space or just to keep you from scratching a mod with the tank. You can use just rubber washers from any hardware store though that'd be a bit thicker. Anyways, an option to fix any kind of issue like that. No clue if you will have that just throwing it out there, one of the more minor issues to have since it can easily be addressed.

 

[raymo2u]

Looks good enough, would appreciate a live photo once you have it back in hand, just do it at your convenience, no hurry.

Its threads are actually shorter then most RTA's also so that makes it even short then normal.

 

[Vapomizer]

Its threads are actually shorter then most RTA's also so that makes it even short then normal.

Thanks, you're awesome as always!

 

[Vapomizer]

So @raymo2u i found 10 different Diablos at FT 4 of which are unpainted SS which is what i want, i can't understand the difference between these different SKUs, can you please help with that?

https://www.fasttech.com/search?Diablo styled rta

 

[MercuryVaper]

So @raymo2u i found 10 different Diablos at FT 4 of which are unpainted SS which is what i want, i can't understand the difference between these different SKUs, can you please help with that?

https://www.fasttech.com/search?Diablo styled rta

I love my Diablo mini from FT. I got the one for 11.29 I think it is. The pic shows it without the o-ring on the chimney under the top fill cap...Mine came with it installed....I was thinking about the nugget until the pico came along. I will surely be getting one or two of those. Can't go wrong with a replaceable batt.

 

[JERUS]

So @raymo2u i found 10 different Diablos at FT 4 of which are unpainted SS which is what i want, i can't understand the difference between these different SKUs, can you please help with that?

https://www.fasttech.com/search?Diablo styled rta

If you're looking for tiny go with the 304ss options, there is one and then a "b" of each, those are the ones that are a bit shorter, less chimney.

 

[raymo2u]

I love my Diablo mini from FT. I got the one for 11.29 I think it is. The pic shows it without the o-ring on the chimney under the top fill cap...Mine came with it installed....I was thinking about the nugget until the pico came along. I will surely be getting one or two of those. Can't go wrong with a replaceable batt.

There is only 4 Silver Diablos and theres (2) 5ml RTA's and (2) 2.5ml RTA's, one logo'd and one logo-less of each....You need to look at the image to check what capacity is the one your looking at, if it has a squared off drip tip and a chimney thats noticeable is a 5ml, rounded drip tip and no chimney for 2.5ml.

 

[MercuryVaper]

There is only 4 Silver Diablos and theres (2) 5ml RTA's and (2) 2.5ml RTA's, one logo'd and one logo-less of each....You need to look at the image to check what capacity is the one your looking at, if it has a squared off drip tip and a chimney thats noticeable is a 5ml, rounded drip tip and no chimney for 2.5ml.

Um, not sure what you mean. I'm looking at the silver 2.5ml, no logo, 11.29...The one I bought and have in my possession.
SKU 4194000

 

[raymo2u]

I believe the Goblin Mini is 3 mls.
I will add that IMO, comparing the G-Mini to the Diablo is not a legit comparo.

The 2 devices are made for 2 different things. The AIRY velocity deck and gimongous chamber on the Diablo
make it strictly a direct lung device. Lookit the air holes on that beast!

The G-Mini v1 will absolutely crush the Diablo in MTL flavor vaping.
IMO, every device on the market with a velocity deck is is a direct lung tank.

jm .02

The GM is more like 2ml...maybe a drop or two more...we get it you have your opinion on "what is a MTL device" that doesnt make everything obsolete that can also be used for MTL...
Goblin Mini is garbage in my opinion but I still bought one...

 

[raymo2u]

Um, not sure what you mean. I'm looking at the silver 2.5ml, no logo, 11.29...The one I bought and have in my possession.
SKU 4194000

I really dont understand what your post was about or intended for...look at the link posted about 2 posts above mine and count the silver versions listed...I count 4...and then I explain what were the differences between them all...

 

[MercuryVaper]

I really dont understand what your post was about or intended for...look at the link posted about 2 posts above mine and count the silver versions listed...I count 4...and then I explain what were the differences between them all...

Pretty clear I think. I was letting him know that one of them does indeed have the missing o-ring. Some people on FT were avoiding that particular one because of that. Also I was just saying how I too like the pico.

 

[raymo2u]

Pretty clear I think. I was letting him know that one of them does indeed have the missing o-ring. Some people on FT were avoiding that particular one because of that. Also I was just saying how I too like the pico.

How is that clear from just this?

 

[MercuryVaper]

Ray your going in circles here. Sorry I pointed something out that you missed, others that read this thread may want to know about the missing o-ring in the FT pic of sku 4194000. It does comes with the o-ring You may not care, but I wasn't even commenting to you to begin with...Sorry you think I was trying to steal your thunder.

 

[raymo2u]

Geez calm down papi... That's why I indicated it was MY OPINION ...THREE TIMES!
It always kinda bugs me when people start giving advice before they know how the guy vapes! WTF???
That way, if he is an MTL guy, he won't be one who is horribly disappointed
that he bought that TFV4 because he took advice from a rabid direct lung vaper.
Mmmmkay??? Mouth-to-Lungers are people too!

So yeah, I wanna make sure the guy knows there is a difference. ...and that direct lungers are drooling freakazoids.
The Diablo ain't no Mouth to Lung tank... The Goblin Mini v1 IS. (which I suppose is why you don't like it)

It's like driving yer Jeep on a NASCAR track... CAN it be done? Sure. SHOULD it be done? Hell no.

I do enjoy a MTL device, I just dont like the 4 post design and how small the build deck is, but I know why you assume I may not like it, I still own and use Evods, could you believe that? He didnt specify a style of vaping and his setup shows a Moonshot RTA so I would assume he is looking for a similar device in the same category, he just asked for a atomizer in a smaller stance..Ive known Vapomizer a good while so I suggested the Tanks I know he would personally enjoy.

No harm or foul, just stubborn in our ways of thinking

Ray your going in circles here. Sorry I pointed something out that you missed, others that read this thread may want to know about the missing o-ring in the FT pic of sku 4194000. It does comes with the o-ring You may not care, but I wasn't even commenting to you to begin with...Sorry you think I was trying to steal your thunder.

You kind of quoted me, thats why I responded to you...maybe you didnt see that you did? There isnt a Oring on the chimney on any of the Diablos...not even on the Authentic, most tanks have one but the Diablo does not.

 

[Vapomizer]

Geez calm down papi... That's why I indicated it was MY OPINION ...THREE TIMES!
It always kinda bugs me when people start giving advice before they know how the guy vapes! WTF???
That way, if he is an MTL guy, he won't be one who is horribly disappointed
that he bought that TFV4 because he took advice from a rabid direct lung vaper.
Mmmmkay??? Mouth-to-Lungers are people too!

So yeah, I wanna make sure the guy knows there is a difference. ...and that direct lungers are drooling freakazoids.
The Diablo ain't no Mouth to Lung tank... The Goblin Mini v1 IS. (which I suppose is why you don't like it)

It's like driving yer Jeep on a NASCAR track... CAN it be done? Sure. SHOULD it be done? Hell no.

Thanks a lot for your input but i believe Ray knows how i vape and what i enjoy quite well coz we discussed a ton of tanks, builds, preferences in the past, besides i stated in the OP that i wanted something with similar performance parameters to the Griffin and that is not nearly a MTL RTA, so Ray did not give advice without knowing quite well how i vape and what my preferences are in this case, probably you should be the one apologizing here

Ray your going in circles here. Sorry I pointed something out that you missed, others that read this thread may want to know about the missing o-ring in the FT pic of sku 4194000. It does comes with the o-ring You may not care, but I wasn't even commenting to you to begin with...Sorry you think I was trying to steal your thunder.

Thanks a lot for stepping in and sharing that info buddy it helped me along with all the other info i was given by all the members, highly appreciated

 

[JERUS]

Just wanted to pop in and say I'd totally go with the Diablo if I were you, and having a similar goal in mind I'm glad I got mine. Unfortunately I fried and melted the coils I had intended to use at 40w, so it'll have to wait a day or two for it to take it's rightful spot on my Mini Volt, but I ran a tank through it on another mod with a .23Ω build and, yeah solid tank. Had the airflow closed down for a tighter draw, not MTL but I enjoy a bit of resistance on the pull. At this point I kind of want another to put on one of the more powerful mods, but I'll probably hold off and wait for Raymo's RTA

 

[Vapomizer]

Spoiler: WTF? :)

He likes me better than you! I'll scratch your eyes out bitch!!!

Geez sorry... I didn't know you guys were a thing.
But you're absolutely right, I apologize for trespassing on you guys'... uhh... personal space.

(Remember, Joe says you kids stay outta trouble now, ya' hear?!! )

Lemme know if ya need any more apologies.

If it helps ya sleep, I've been choppin it up with that lunatic since he drove up here.
There are few people I would trust more for DL tank advice, and other hi-performance stuffs.

But I own a small herd of Goblin Minis so I feel pretty confident correcting his '2 ml G-Mini' booboo..
(Some websites do erroneously list it at 2 ml BTW)

Take it easy man, things in vaping are normally much simpler than that, in all honesty, i said in my original post that i am a big Griffin fan and would like something with similar performance and parameters but smaller, so i am obviously not a MTLer, i ask for advice only to shorten my research time, but i do not take anybody's advice blindly for it, i have a brain of my own and it functions well, Ray has recommended stuff before like the R200 mod for example but after doing my own digging around i found it to be a big mess in the firmware department and he confirmed and acknowledged the problem, but he also introduced me to the Griffin which is the tank i currently like and enjoy the most.

I think if you follow anybody's advice blindly you would most probably be disappointed which seems to be the experience you have had with Ray, but if you listened to people's opinions and experiences and then make your own mind's up independently then all turns out well and any disappointments thereafter would be your own making, Ray is a cool dude and i really like him and admire his passionate and enthusiastic help, no one is liked by all and that is perfectly ok.

Cheers and thanks again for the heads up

 

[Vapomizer]

ah one more thing, this is not a "personal space" i realize it is a public thread and any and everyone's contribution is welcome and even encouraged, if i solely wanted Ray's take on it without interference i would have PMed him, but i really needed to hear all opinions and this is why i created the thread.

and "If it helps ya sleep better" No apologies needed, really, you are the one who brought up the apology thingy and i was just clarifying that he knew what i was looking for before he made the recommendations, whether you agree with it or not, i can't use a tank that does not have topfill, it is the first thing i look for in any tank i intend to purchase, besides i don't like the Goblin Mini's aesthetics, the Diablo looks much sexier