Sony VTC4's

[NinoCappuccin0]

I own a few authentic VTC4 batteries and they are okay, but I wouldn't go crazy about them. LG HG2 or Samsung 25R 18650s are better overall.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

Actually on second thought. I think vapenw.com has VTC4s for $6.45 each and they are real. I've ordered them from that site twice. I'm going to buy 4 more at that price. Im able to get clouds galore from a .5ohm Atlantis 2 on my Sigelei Fuchai 200W box mod. I'm sure it's the batteries. My LG HE4 pair can't even make a poof at 28W. So I take the original statement back. VTC4s are the best.

 

[Sean.King]

I own a few authentic VTC4 batteries and they are okay, but I wouldn't go crazy about them. LG HG2 or Samsung 25R 18650s are better overall.

Better overall? Not in every application, they might have more MAH but a lower CDR. Is there a point to your post?

As for your second comment, are you really trying to say a regulated device will output more wattage with different batteries?

But seriously, your trolling, right?

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

Nope. I'm serious. It's the computer chips. I've used many mods and they all behave differently. How many 200w box mods do you own?

 

[Sean.King]

Nope. I'm serious. It's the computer chips. I've used many mods and they all behave differently

Again, I ask, are you trying to say a regulated mod will output more power on the same wattage settings using two different sets of batteries? Thats ridiculous.

How many 200w box mods do you own?

Trying to start a pissing match? Your fuchai won't output a true 200 watts. And what does that have to do with anything anyways? My 200 watts mods I treat as if they are only 150 watts because they go into PWM after 150 watts.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

That's what theyre called i know theyre not 200w

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

You asked if i was serious. I am. Thanks for reading.

 

[Sean.King]

You asked if i was serious. I am. Thanks for reading.

Now I wonder if your a shill for VapeNW trying to pimp some batteries by drawing attention to their sale. So what are you, troll or shill?

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

Just a dude. Whats the big deal. If i dont make sense it's not new. I just wanted to share a bizarre experience

 

[Sean.King]

Just a dude. Whats the big deal. If i dont make sense it's not new. I just wanted to share a bizarre experience

Interesting, if I send you a SMPL mod will you try both batteries and tell me which battery hits harder with your atlantis?

 

[martnargh]

Lol dont put an atlantis on a smpl...
I got what you were doing there though lol

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[NinoCappuccin0]

Interesting, if I send you a SMPL mod will you try both batteries and tell me which battery hits harder with your atlantis?

I'm lost. Why do people pick arguments online. It's stupid. I just think I prefer LG HG2's due to their 3000mah and variable amperage based on the charge. But VTC4's I got 4 of them and I am about to try them out on a .3ohm coil now. And Also the regulated box mod computer chip affects the cloud production and overall vaping power and experience so that varies as well as the cells used. So I'm currently enjoying VTC4's in a Sigelei "200W" Fuchai box mod and think that compared to many of my first "200W" dual 18650 regulated box mods this one is more powerful since I enjoy greater vapor production personally for no important reason other than pure amusement. Any battery pair I've thrown in the Fuchai box mod (Samsung 25R, LG HE4, LG HG2) I've been able to make crazy amounts of clouds when compared to the other mods I've had. That's all I mean.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

I don't understand what your point is? Are 30amp batteries better, of course. Is that your argument? Are you just insulting the simplicity of my unnecessary topic post? I don't understand. I was sharing experience on a forum. That's what it's for.

Oh I see, you're just pissed I have the "200W" mod and you don't. I don't have many other hobbies so I can afford to drop 70 bucks every few months on my hobby. I'm not sorry about that. But I never meant to brag and I know it's not truly 200W. it's just the name of the device. It's always jealousy that fuels these weird convos and I never remember. I had 2 of these tonight on my friends facebook page and I just don't get the point. I'm sorry for whatever discomfort I may have caused. I'm serious. Relax.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

They are real. But the website you're calling a scumbag? lol Why? that's the policy on most sites. I just got them and risked it because of the price. They are great. I do suggest everybody gets a pair of real ones from somewhere before they are non existent except for used or preowned on ebay. imrbatteries.com is legit also. I got another pari from there to compare the different sites' products and they were both real. It's almost too easy to prove or disprove authenticity after a full charge and the first vape or 2. It either feels 1/3 more powerful or not. lol

 

[Jim_MDP]

Well, at least this explains your "HE4s are mellower" thread.

"Variable amperage" HG2s? I'm afraid to ask.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

I like a few different batteries for different tanks and coils. Only LGs, Samsungs, and Sonys. I've just not gotten good reliable vapes from those falsely labeled random chinese batteries. I love all LGs, only the VTC4s I think are worth getting from the Sony gang, and 25Rs are a great almost vtc4 strength but not quite with good consistency. LG does offer up a huge selection especially including the rare and often unknown by even myself until recently, specialty cells. It's all good just don't use Samsung 2a batteries. They're pinkish. I forgot the name but I almost vaped with them and that would've been bad. 2 amp batteries don't belong in a store for vaping. I thought they were the other specialty batteries called 18Q or maybe thats the name of the 2 amp ones but there's another specialty cell from Samsung that I figured why not grab them while they're in front of my nose. they're at least 20a so it was a mistake on my part. However I told the manager they should remove them before somebody ruins their mod, tank, or face. 2 amps? wow. Completely ridiculous that the manager read the description and ordered them. My local store has everything but they don't know jack about what they sell or what shelf their items are on. I have to point to the bin of coils that are obviously overflowing onto the floor and after they claim to be sold out, I go behind the counter and pick up the box of coils because there's no other way. This is every employee there. But it's worth the headache because they have everything you could think of except random sketchy batteries.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

yeah if a fully charged HG2 is paired into a mod my friends computer program and gadgets say it increases the pulse to 35 amps but not just for a second. for a good few seconds and that'll last a while.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

Is this a different planet? I'm not scientist but I'm just chillin' sharing what these products are like for me to help others decide. The brown LGs are considered some of the best 20a batteries due to the fact of the long pulse and the 3000mah.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

If I'm wrong I'd like to be shown evidence disproving this so I don't embarrass myself proclaiming this again. Not saying I'm perfect or memorize charts or something. I don't like being attacked over a vaping forum. I wanted to just learn and share. What made me a hate magnet? I may be wrong and I'm okay with accepting when I am not correct. I'm a grown man. lol

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

Also I have had defective Atlantis 2 coils previously a few times. So my analysis of the inadequacy of HE4s may be due to that. However, the Fuchai box is very powerful and it's the chip. I think if you're on the fence about it, buy it.

 

[Jim_MDP]

yeah if a fully charged HG2 is paired into a mod my friends computer program and gadgets say it increases the pulse to 35 amps but not just for a second. for a good few seconds and that'll last a while.

I have not a clue what you think you just explained there.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

The pulse lasts longer than most pulses. A good solid 4 seconds or so. And I'm done with this thread. Who cares.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

You can have the final word. I just meant what I said here and there's nothing really to dispute honestly.

 

[Jim_MDP]

The pulse lasts longer than most pulses. A good solid 4 seconds or so. And I'm done with this thread. Who cares.

And again... I'm clueless.

If you have a peek or an ask about... you'll find that's an unusual occurrence.
No shit.

 

[martnargh]

Lol

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[Sean.King]

Oh I see, you're just pissed I have the "200W" mod and you don't.

Actually I have three, and not one of them is a fuchai, I have no interest whatsoever in that mod.

yeah if a fully charged HG2 is paired into a mod my friends computer program and gadgets say it increases the pulse to 35 amps but not just for a second. for a good few seconds and that'll last a while.

Your fuchai has a board limit of 25 amps, you will never see more, no matter what battery you use. Sure, you can put a .1 ohm coil on it and crank it up to 200 watts but the board will soft limit you to 62.5 watts because thats the most the board is capable of putting out. So no, the chip is not that powerful in comparison to many other mods out there, in fact its rather lackluster.

Im sorry, but your obviously missing key bits of information when it comes to batteries and board limitations. Please read as much as you can from trusted sources and not your buddy with some mad scientist lab setup.

FYI, assuming you dont work for VapeNW, you should know they have a horrendous reputation for piss poor customer service. In fact there are companies that have stopped selling to them because of it.

 

[Bucky205]

Those that believe two 18650's can't do 200 watts. Exactly on what assumption are you basing this?

 

[Sean.King]

Those that believe two 18650's can't do 200 watts. Exactly on what assumption are you basing this?

Nobody in this thread said that as far as I know. I did however say his fuchai is not a true 200 watt mod. Considering the voltage and amperage limitations of the board, he would need to build between .32 and .36 to get it. But it goes into PWM before that anyways. 2 18650's in a regulated device can reach 200 watts however you need a board that does not go into PWM to get a "true" 200 watts, and one that fires accurately. And as we all know 2 18650's in a series mod can hit over 200 watts without even reaching a good batteries CDR. However the batteries will drain quickly and it will drop off.

 

[martnargh]

A .25 build on a series mech will do 219w...
Edit: thats 29amps.
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[Jim_MDP]

Those that believe two 18650's can't do 200 watts. Exactly on what assumption are you basing this?

Can? Or should? Or that few 200w mods actually do?
(Regs, not mechs)

It seems the industry has settled on about 75w per cell. Still a touch high to me.
And at 100w per... 30A is in the rearview.
Don't forget the VCTs.

So it seems most of those mods chip limit amps or pulse above 150w, or both.
Is that really 200w?

But the majority of us who use good batteries... use good 20As.
Gawd knows what a lot of the crap newbs are using is capable of.
Is that an indicator of sanity by the MFGs? Wait... they recommend 35A batts.
Oops... I left mine in my Unicorn's saddlebags.

Might make more sense to worry about the single cell 75s and 80s.
Will it kaboom? Nah. Probably just auto reduce power. Probably.

 

[Bucky205]

Nobody in this thread said that as far as I know. I did however say his fuchai is not a true 200 watt mod. Considering the voltage and amperage limitations of the board, he would need to build between .32 and .36 to get it. But it goes into PWM before that anyways. 2 18650's in a regulated device can reach 200 watts however you need a board that does not go into PWM to get a "true" 200 watts, and one that fires accurately. And as we all know 2 18650's in a series mod can hit over 200 watts without even reaching a good batteries CDR. However the batteries will drain quickly and it will drop off.

The Fuchai having a 25 amp limit, is somewhat strange, considering the Sigelei 150 TC was 35 amp. Ohms law tells us that watts = amps(squared)*resistance. Like you said, A 25 amp output MOD could hit a true 200 watts on a .32 build without PWM. 25*25=625, 625 * .32 = 200. It's builds below .32 ohms that they need PWM to get to 200, and like you stated some mods are kicking in PWM down around 150, some lower.

 

[Sean.King]

The Fuchai having a 25 amp limit, is somewhat strange, considering the Sigelei 150 TC was 35 amp. Ohms law tells us that watts = amps(squared)*resistance. Like you said, A 25 amp output MOD could hit a true 200 watts on a .32 build without PWM. 25*25=625, 625 * .32 = 200. It's builds below .32 ohms that they need PWM to get to 200, and like you stated some mods are kicking in PWM down around 150, some lower.

Not too odd, the sig 150 tc uses a yihi sx330 chip while the fuchai uses something i can only guess is made by laisimo. You also have to consider the max voltage output of the board which is 8.5 volts on the fuchai., hence the .36 ohm cap. It also explains the cost difference. And from what ive seen the fuchai does pwm at 150+ watts, however at a much higher frequency than say a snow wolf. Its laughable on the snow wolf. Imo, mods that are labeled 200 watts and are only dual 18650 are grossly misleading. Most will go into pwm and the ones that dont drain the batteries so fast you can only get a couple drags before the batteries arent capable of it anymore.

 

[Sean.King]

Can? Or should? Or that few 200w mods actually do?
(Regs, not mechs)

It seems the industry has settled on about 75w per cell. Still a touch high to me.
And at 100w per... 30A is in the rearview.
Don't forget the VCTs.

So it seems most of those mods chip limit amps or pulse above 150w, or both.
Is that really 200w?

But the majority of us who use good batteries... use good 20As.
Gawd knows what a lot of the crap newbs are using is capable of.
Is that an indicator of sanity by the MFGs? Wait... they recommend 35A batts.
Oops... I left mine in my Unicorn's saddlebags.

Might make more sense to worry about the single cell 75s and 80s.
Will it kaboom? Nah. Probably just auto reduce power. Probably.

Imo, pulsing above 150 watts isnt a true 200 watts. Dual 18650 mods should not be able to do 200 watts imho, if you want to do that get a lipo or triple 18650 mod. I think its just misleading to label them as such, but I suppose everyone wants to play the wattage race.

Manufacturers recommending 35 amp batteries is confusing, are they really that dumb or just covering their ass? The latter i should think.

Single cell mods ran at 75 or 80 watts? Have fun replacing batteries because when the mod detects the battery isnt capable of supplying the demanded power it will either reduce power or give you a check battery message. But if your vaping that high you should really be using something with two batteries.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

Well I know it's not 200W but I include that in the name of the device. And I just use the Reuleaux now anyway since it's too awesome. But I wasn't hallucinating because I guess I used the Snow Wolf 99 percent of the time before buying the Fuchai so I guess If you say that's garbage then no wonder I was amazed at the improvenent, however small it is. I only use 80 watts tops now on a .2 coil. But there's a lot of animosity here and not everyone knows exactly how every device truly works because of so much false info out there on the Internet. But the Fuchai was sufficient for the times I enjoyed it. So whatever. No wonder high resistance coils were lackluster in their performance. That's why. 5ohms kick ass on it. Now the Reuleaux showed me vapor I've never imagined. .2ohms in the Cleito Tank with 3 HG2 batteries made my friends confused and thought I was using a desktop sized prototype or something til they saw my hand held. It is good and I think the affordability is a good thing otherwise I'd have skipped it. Since it required me to buy an XTAR VC4 or something 4-bay 18650 compatible. However XTAR VC series of chargers have cool screens lol.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

Well I know it's not 200W but I include that in the name of the device. And I just use the Reuleaux now anyway since it's too awesome. But I wasn't hallucinating because I guess I used the Snow Wolf 99 percent of the time before buying the Fuchai so I guess If you say that's garbage then no wonder I was amazed at the improvenent, however small it is. I only use 80 watts tops now on a .2 coil. But there's a lot of animosity here and not everyone knows exactly how every device truly works because of so much false info out there on the Internet. But the Fuchai was sufficient for the times I enjoyed it. So whatever. No wonder high resistance coils were lackluster in their performance. That's why. 5ohms kick ass on it. Now the Reuleaux showed me vapor I've never imagined. .2ohms in the Cleito Tank with 3 HG2 batteries made my friends confused and thought I was using a desktop sized prototype or something til they saw my hand held. It is good and I think the affordability is a good thing otherwise I'd have skipped it. Since it required me to buy an XTAR VC4 or something 4-bay 18650 compatible. However XTAR VC series of chargers have cool screens lol.

The new version of the VC2 only has 2 meters displayed at a time whereas the older model and the VC4 I have now display a triple more intricate meter design. I just need it to be safe in the usual ways we expect so this one is great. Don't know much about them except it's safe and cool (XTAR VC4). It's all good.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

I always wonder why there are such junky mods claiming to be able to hang with the best of them. At least it's a buyer's market. Plenty of options and shopping online saves me so much money.

 

[Bucky205]

Imo, pulsing above 150 watts isnt a true 200 watts. Dual 18650 mods should not be able to do 200 watts imho, if you want to do that get a lipo or triple 18650 mod. I think its just misleading to label them as such, but I suppose everyone wants to play the wattage race.

Manufacturers recommending 35 amp batteries is confusing, are they really that dumb or just covering their ass? The latter i should think.

Single cell mods ran at 75 or 80 watts? Have fun replacing batteries because when the mod detects the battery isnt capable of supplying the demanded power it will either reduce power or give you a check battery message. But if your vaping that high you should really be using something with two batteries.

Both single cell, and dual cell 18650 devices can hit 200 watts at certain resistances. They just can't do it for very long. watts = amps(squared) X resistance.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

I only need my Reuleaux RX200 with LG HG2s and Samsung25 blue wraps. I also use my VTC4s that are real from a battery site. I vape at .2ohms on the Cleito Tank. It's been great.

 

[NinoCappuccin0]

But LG

I only need my Reuleaux RX200 with LG HG2s and Samsung25 blue wraps. I also use my VTC4s that are real from a battery site. I vape at .2ohms on the Cleito Tank. It's been great.

LG HG2s are supposed to be sufficient at perfect voltage as displayed on my XTAR VC4. Samsung25R5s or even the 25Rs wuth green wraps are good too. I got AWT RED 40amp (actually 30amp) and they are good too. VTC4s supposedly have only 2000mah despite the specs. And don't last long. But HG2s are Reuleaux perfect.

 

[Jim_MDP]

VTC4s spec at 2100mAh, so 2000 in the real world is just about right.
The mAh specs are at amp rates much lower than we use them at.
Plus, there's gotta be some rated capacity we can't access before cut-off.

The AWT you mention is probably the 3000mAh (yes?), which is a strong 20A (push to 25A?).
The 40A on the label is obviously bollocks as a CDR. But it's not 30A either.

I don't think anyone has managed to hit 30A CDR while keeping even 2500mAh capacity.
And there are only about three true 30A CDRs out there.
AWT isn't one of them.

Their button top 1600 mAh looks strong as hell though.
But the "rare as hen's teeth" LG HB series kicks its' ass.