Store bought 100%VG

[Brandontf8o8]

Just wondering if u guys have any insight on this.

I've bought some store bought juices to sample different flavors and what not some of which say they are 100% VG however they are really wattery.

Is this just a diluted mixture? And if so how do you keep the flavor profile so strong if it's watered down?

Thoughts?

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[Heabob]

They dilute the VG with distilled water so it will wick better, it's pretty thick without any.
How much DW they use is variable... and too much will make flavors muted IMO.
With DIY you can adjust the water content and/or adjust flavoring percents to suit your taste.
And, you can even add flavoring to the store bought juices to improve them if too weak, (or yucky).

 

[Brandontf8o8]

Right I figured you'd have to add more flavoring .... how much water do u add in and roughly how much more flavor are you using if u use DW at all?

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[Heabob]

I don't do pure VG as I've been using 70PG/30VG mostly.
I think 1-2% is minimum, and some go up to 10% I think.
I've only tried DW a couple times and didn't like it.
Personally I think the DW doesn't burn so good and muddles the flavors, but that's my opinion only.
But some of the ppl like HIC are using pure VG, and they might be of more help than me.

 

[Brandontf8o8]

Yeah I mix at 80/20 was just curious cause I know even at that mix my liquid don't come out anywhere near that thin.

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[Heabob]

Sounds like they used too much water.
Most vendor juices are really heavily flavored and some are sweetened too.
Yes, you can tell pretty easy if it's too thin, juice runs out of the bottle without squeezing even.
And most of the tanks will leak, flood, or gurgle.

 

[Brandontf8o8]

Gotcha cool cool thanks

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[fq06]

How do they call it 100%VG then? You would have to use a VG nic base (which I do), VG flavors (not many available, pretty limiting) and if it is not molasses thick... it's not 100% VG.

I have used saline water in my diy mixes, I'm on the fence on that one. It does cut the cloud production but you can run a lot higher VG percentage and still have a juice that's not molasses thick... so using saline I have found I need to bump VG percentage about 10% from my normal non saline mix.

I haven't mixed with saline in a couple months, maybe I need to revisit it and mix a batch with and without.

 

[fq06]

I leave that for the low ball glass

 

[HotRod19579]

How do they call it 100%VG then? You would have to use a VG nic base (which I do), VG flavors (not many available, pretty limiting) and if it is not molasses thick... it's not 100% VG.

I have used saline water in my diy mixes, I'm on the fence on that one. It does cut the cloud production but you can run a lot higher VG percentage and still have a juice that's not molasses thick... so using saline I have found I need to bump VG percentage about 10% from my normal non saline mix.

I haven't mixed with saline in a couple months, maybe I need to revisit it and mix a batch with and without.

They call it 100% VG because they are probably following the standards established by the vaping community. Think about it, all of our recipes are 80/20, 70/30, 50/50, etc… the PG + VG must always equal 100% even if we add 10% distilled water to the recipe. For instance; we mix 45ml of PG, 45ml of VG and 10ml of distilled water and call it 50/50. The vaping community and most calculators are using the formula:
VG% = Total VG / (Total PG + Total VG).

Technically the formula should be VG% = Total VG / Total volume in the mix. My example recipe should be 45/45 PG/VG, not 50/50. If I told you I had a 45/45 mixture you would tell me there is something wrong with my calculator.

To answer the question “How do they call it 100%VG?”; Using the rules established by the vaping community they could add 1% VG to the ingredient, 0% PG and 99% water and it is 100% VG:
VG Percentage = 1ml of VG / (1 ml of VG + 0 ml of PG) = 100% VG.

 

[fq06]

I guess I would be a little let down if a bottle of 100% VG seemed more like a 70%vg/30%pg mix industry standard or not. I'm thinking dripper cloud sauce thick, not clearo tank ready consistency.

Have you mixed with saline in place of DW before? Wondering what difference you've seen, I've only used saline.

 

[wllmc]

They call it 100% VG because they are probably following the standards established by the vaping community. Think about it, all of our recipes are 80/20, 70/30, 50/50, etc… the PG + VG must always equal 100% even if we add 10% distilled water to the recipe. For instance; we mix 45ml of PG, 45ml of VG and 10ml of distilled water and call it 50/50. The vaping community and most calculators are using the formula:
VG% = Total VG / (Total PG + Total VG).

Technically the formula should be VG% = Total VG / Total volume in the mix. My example recipe should be 45/45 PG/VG, not 50/50. If I told you I had a 45/45 mixture you would tell me there is something wrong with my calculator.

To answer the question “How do they call it 100%VG?”; Using the rules established by the vaping community they could add 1% VG to the ingredient, 0% PG and 99% water and it is 100% VG:
VG Percentage = 1ml of VG / (1 ml of VG + 0 ml of PG) = 100% VG.

I like this answer, though I dont agree with the people who say "100% VG" its another one of those custard V1 or custard V2 kind of things that freakin drives me nuts. at best one could call it "Max" VG , those are the kind of frauds that will look you in the face and say our juice is FDA approved and we have no diacetyl and we are going to sell you year old back stock with a new label and double the price on it and call it "aged" or "kosher" and "all natural" "healthy vaping" Ive seen all this.

We use the term Max and Im still trying to think of a better way of describing it. what am I comparing it to ? Maximum what ? lol but its the maximum amount of VG minus the PG from flavoring with no extra PG added. the only reason I dont worry much about it is obviously we tell you what % the flavoring is used at so its pretty obvious the ratios of VG and PG

there are some VG flavorings but those that use them exclusively in an entire line are few and far between. since we are kinda making these rules as we go I think we should start thinking about this also. what constitutes max VG or 100% vg ? Im guessing your vendor juice is 20% flavoring in PG, should there be a cap to where someone could even call it max VG ? 20% PG is to much for some people so buy giving the illusion its 100% VG without disclosing the amount of PG from flavoring could potentially be harmful. If we set a standard withing the community eventually people will follow our lead.