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Strong Grape, lychee, and tea concentrates?

mlkris

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Hello,

Does anyone have any experience or some knowledge as to where to get some great tasting and stronger (in the context of not having to put heavy percentages in) grape, lychee, and tea flavor concentrates?

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mlkris

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Flavor Art are very concentrated. I rarely use more than 2%.

Right on, thank you. With my current concentrates I am using between 8-15% for the flavors. Can the FA flavors rival that but with even stronger flavor?
 

AmandaD

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Right on, thank you. With my current concentrates I am using between 8-15% for the flavors. Can the FA flavors rival that but with even stronger flavor?

I don't know what you've been using, but using FA I've never gone over 10% in a mix with only FA flavors - often around 6%.
 

mlkris

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I don't know what you've been using, but using FA I've never gone over 10% in a mix with only FA flavors - often around 6%.

I have been using Lorann, Capella, and TPA for the most part.
 

lirruping

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Flavorah has a very strong lychee flavor, but it's definitely a candied lychee. FA is (from all reports) more realistic.
 

mlkris

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So when it comes to flavors like, Tropical Punch, Melon types, fruit types, and cereal based flavors, what vendors would you guys suggest being the best in terms of strength and realism whether it be candy or the real fruit?

Also, I have been using pure diluted stevia to mix in my liquids, would EM or Sucralose be better to use, and if so can I just buy the pre-diluted mixtures or would it be better to buy the crystals/powder and dilute it myself (which I am unsure how to do).

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Cramptholomew

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For more candy-like flavors, I'd lean more towards TFA and Capella.

IMO, Capella does bakery best, and some of their fruits are good. Capella's Vanilla Custard is the industry standard for base custard flavor. As percentage goes, I use anywhere from 4-10%, depending on the flavor. I'd say Capella is the least concentrated.

TFA does candy fruits, although they're really hit or miss in terms of what the flavor actually tastes like. For example, they have raspberry and raspberry sweet. The raspberry is awful, and strong. The raspberry sweet tastes like those chewy raspberry candies with the candy bumps on them. Their honeydew melon is perfect melon. Their cantaloupe is weird, weak, and not very cantaloupe-y. Also, TFA's potency is all over the map. Some need anywhere from 4-10%, some need .5-1%.

FA does realistic tasting everything. Most flavors are spot-on, as far as what you'd expect to taste. Most are very potent. They range anywhere from .5% to 3%.

INW (Inawera) also has an incredibly large range of flavors. There are a lot of weird mixes and nondescript oddities. I've found they're pretty hit or miss as well, but there are some gems. They're pretty concentrated as well. 1-4% would be my estimated range.

None of these percentages are a hard and fast rule, since I've used all sorts of percents, but I wanted to give a basic idea of what you're dealing with.

As far as sweeteners, I haven't used any in well over a year. They don't really add much but a sicky-sweetness, and can mute your flavors.

Remember, when dealing with flavors, less is usually more. Meaning, start at a lower percent and work your way up. Too much flavoring can kill a mix, and you end up with a weird tasting, muted failure.
 

mlkris

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For more candy-like flavors, I'd lean more towards TFA and Capella.

IMO, Capella does bakery best, and some of their fruits are good. Capella's Vanilla Custard is the industry standard for base custard flavor. As percentage goes, I use anywhere from 4-10%, depending on the flavor. I'd say Capella is the least concentrated.

TFA does candy fruits, although they're really hit or miss in terms of what the flavor actually tastes like. For example, they have raspberry and raspberry sweet. The raspberry is awful, and strong. The raspberry sweet tastes like those chewy raspberry candies with the candy bumps on them. Their honeydew melon is perfect melon. Their cantaloupe is weird, weak, and not very cantaloupe-y. Also, TFA's potency is all over the map. Some need anywhere from 4-10%, some need .5-1%.

FA does realistic tasting everything. Most flavors are spot-on, as far as what you'd expect to taste. Most are very potent. They range anywhere from .5% to 3%.

INW (Inawera) also has an incredibly large range of flavors. There are a lot of weird mixes and nondescript oddities. I've found they're pretty hit or miss as well, but there are some gems. They're pretty concentrated as well. 1-4% would be my estimated range.

None of these percentages are a hard and fast rule, since I've used all sorts of percents, but I wanted to give a basic idea of what you're dealing with.

As far as sweeteners, I haven't used any in well over a year. They don't really add much but a sicky-sweetness, and can mute your flavors.

Remember, when dealing with flavors, less is usually more. Meaning, start at a lower percent and work your way up. Too much flavoring can kill a mix, and you end up with a weird tasting, muted failure.

Thank you very much for the descriptions! Have you had any experience with One on One or Flavorah?
 

Cramptholomew

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Thank you very much for the descriptions! Have you had any experience with One on One or Flavorah?
I haven't tried either of those.

I forgot FW... They're kinda hit or miss aswell. Their flavors are fairly weak, for the most part, with the exception of a few. I'd say 4-10% on most.
 

Satchvai

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I'm in the same boat, looking for a good Grape. I just got Hangsen Grape the other day. Really perfumey at first but starting to steep into a nice flavor here on day 4 at 7.5%
 

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