Subtank Mini V2 RBA Question

[BLACKTOOTHGRIN]

3-4 weeks ago I bought the new Subox Mini Kits.
I really liked the new AFC and Vertical OCC's because the Vape seems to stay alot cooler than on my original Subtank Mini, even at 35-40w.
So that's pretty much how Ive been Vaping for a bit now and it wasn't until today that I decided to try out the RBA deck.
The cool and comfortable vape vanished immediately
(The coil I'm using is the stock coil that came with the RBA which is .5ohms just like the OCC )


I thought the new AFC had more to do with keeping that vape nice and cool, but its now looking to me like it was the Vertical Coil.
But the airflow doesnt seem to be as good either, so maybe it IS the airflow... idk.

Do Vertical Coils provide a cooler vape than horizontal coils?
If so...is there any way to build a Vertical Coil on this RBA deck?

 

[UncleRJ]

If you are using cotton you can try this.

Place a small strip of cotton on top of the coil in addition to the one running though it and make sure the ends intersect the ends of your primary wick.

Make sure all of them are primed before you button it up.

If you do it right, it seems to help a lot!

 

[BLACKTOOTHGRIN]

Thanks RJ.
I'll give that a shot after I blow through this juice.

Im using the sheet type of organic cotton.
Does the small strip over the coil need to be the same thickness as the sheet (like the original wick) or be pulled apart to thin it out some?

Do Vertical Coils provide a cooler vape or is something else going on here?

 

[UncleRJ]

I would thin it out a tad.

But the main thing you need to be sure of is that the top strip has access to the liquid being fed into the deck same as the primary wick

 

[Neunerball]

In this video it's a Delta 2 tank, but it's pretty much the same on the Kanger.

 

[BLACKTOOTHGRIN]

In this video it's a Delta 2 tank, but it's pretty much the same on the Kanger.

Thanks Neunerball.
Doesnt look too hard.
Im going to give it a shot.
My problem is I dont have any Kanthal.
I have to try and use the pre-buiilt coils, and the leads might be too short.
Cross your toes...

 

[BLACKTOOTHGRIN]

I would thin it out a tad.

But the main thing you need to be sure of is that the top strip has access to the liquid being fed into the deck same as the primary wick

Im gonna try a Vertical build first because I'm thinking the whole horizontal set-up it what's causing the problem.
Seems like its probably hotter because the coil is sitting directly over the airflow, and Im not getting as much airflow because of the coil AND cotton are in the path of the airflow.

If I cant get it working right, I'll give that strip across the coil a try to at least get the temperature down a little.

 

[BLACKTOOTHGRIN]

SUCCESS!

The Vertical Coil turned out great.
I ended up using another method that I found on YouTube though.
The wicking method that Rip used in the Delta video I found to be a bit unnecessary because of the updated juice holes that the new RBA deck has. The video I followed doesn't have the updated deck, but the wicking method I found to be easier and just as effective.

As for the Vape:

The Vertical Build seemed to cool it down a bit and is now more comfortable than before, but still isn't as nice as the Vape I was getting with the OCC.

The airflow is also a bit better than with the Horizontal Build but again...still not as good as with the OCC. I'm guessing this may also be why the Vape isn't as cool. More airflow would cool it off more I would think. Or...Maybe There's something different about the RBA deck itself as far as airflow is concerned. Idk.

The thing that changed the most is Vapor Production.
That was very surprising.
Substantially more.
So that's nice to see.

However...
@ 20w everything seems to work well, but @ 25w I start to get a bit of a dry hit after 4-5 rips. But that also happened with my horizontal build. I don't know if I'm using too much cotton and it's not wicking properly, or if its because I'm using a Max VG JUICE.
So that's still pretty irritating.
I don't know how these guys are chain vaping this thing at 30-35w and not getting dry hits.
Any help with this would be great

Overall it's a nicer Vape for me,
BUT....I still think the OCC is alot better every way around.
I CAN chain Vape that at 30-35w without any dry hits.
The juice holes are the same, so I must be doing something wrong.

 

[BLACKTOOTHGRIN]

Well...maybe not.
About a half an hour after I posted the last comment, the airflow became very constricted again.
I pulled everything back apart, and it all looked fine.
Just how I built it, no obstructions of any kind....
So now Im stumped.

Guess for the time being until someone else chimes in I'll have to go back to the OCC's.
Maybe I'll look around to see if anyone has found a successful way of rebuilding the Vertical OCC's yet.

 

[BLACKTOOTHGRIN]

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[Nancy_Bout]

I am now about to order vertical coils it's new!! Can't wait! I'm still on the old coils and have 1 ohm ones too


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[Nancy_Bout]

I find nautilus verticals did much better as well!


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[BLACKTOOTHGRIN]

I am now about to order vertical coils it's new!! Can't wait! I'm still on the old coils and have 1 ohm ones too


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I think you'll like the Vertical Coils alot more.
I sure do.

I can't seem to find a way to rebuild them yet though.
They aren't using the press fitted top cap any more like they were on the horizontal coils.
It now looks like everything it fit in from the bottom.
I've tried several times to get the bottom section apart but with no luck. Each time I end up busting everything to Hell.

Right now I'm using a 1.2ohm horizontal OCC in my Subtank Mini V1. (I've had a couple of them sitting here for months now and never used them because I liked the .5s so much)
They're Okay I guess, but I do prefer the .5.
Once I burnt this one out I'm going to rebuild it to a .5 Vertical Coil like I have seen done on a couple different videos.
If wicking and airflow works out well, at least we know that we can rebuild the old horizontal coils into Vertical coils, right?
Just as long as Kanger didn't change the way they were making the horizontal coils as well.

Kinda makes me wonder if they did that on purpose with the new ones.

 

[BLACKTOOTHGRIN]

I find nautilus verticals did much better as well!


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I hadn't ever tried the Nautilus horizontal coils... so I can't comment as far as a comparison, but I really like the BVC's.
The main problem I had with those was flooding though.
DAILY!
and that's why I hardly ever use my Nautilus tanks anymore.

 

[Vaporanger]

I feel you, man. The new OCC is very impressive i got fantastic vape at 40 watt. The thing is, when you build vertical coil with rba deck you need to throw a lot more cotton so it doesnt flooded, different with OCC which its wall is narrower to the coil so it doesnt need to have much cotton. IMO that was affecting the vape experience differences between rba deck and OCC.
The only way is to rebuild that OCC (if possible) or buy older OCC and rebuild it to vertical

 

[BLACKTOOTHGRIN]

I feel you, man. The new OCC is very impressive i got fantastic vape at 40 watt. The thing is, when you build vertical coil with rba deck you need to throw a lot more cotton so it doesnt flooded, different with OCC which its wall is narrower to the coil so it doesnt need to have much cotton. IMO that was affecting the vape experience differences between rba deck and OCC.
The only way is to rebuild that OCC (if possible) or buy older OCC and rebuild it to vertical

You're probably right.

I have some old horizontal OCC'S here that Ive tried rebuilding to Vertical.
I cant seem to make it work though.
They always short out.
Im not sure if the positive lead is hitting the body somewhere on the bottom part causing it, or if its inside of the coil housing.
Ive followed all the instructions in the videos very carefully but haven't had any successfully yet.
Bums me out.
Then you have to tear the whole damn thing apart and start again!
Much to tedious for me.
Its easier just to break out the Mutation and put a build on IT.
(no tank though )