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MyMagicMist

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Wondering if the FDA can regulate tobacco free synthetic made nicotine?

If not can it be taxed the same as tobacco made nicotine?

My thought is if it has no connection to tobacco at all then, it ought not face the same regulation & taxation.

Leaving this open to attain valid input, thoughts, direct links to articles & sources. Be interesting to learn regardless.
 

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The FDA made wire and cotton into tobacco products with slick wording. I doubt that they will be all out of slick wording by the time they get to this little hurdle. Especially the tax part. a nicotine tax would tax nicotine. Doesn't matter if it's space nicotine. as long as it's nicotine it will get taxed.

Edit: Just to be clear. Everything, I mean everything will be getting taxed way more than before.
They are going to need to make up that 6 trillion they printed out of thin air sooner or later.
Anyone who thinks the "rich" will be paying for all of it is a total sucker.
 

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The FDA made wire and cotton into tobacco products with slick wording. I doubt that they will be all out of slick wording by the time they get to this little hurdle. Especially the tax part. a nicotine tax would tax nicotine. Doesn't matter if it's space nicotine. as long as it's nicotine it will get taxed.

Edit: Just to be clear. Everything, I mean everything will be getting taxed way more than before.
They are going to need to make up that 6 trillion they printed out of thin air sooner or later.
Anyone who thinks the "rich" will be paying for all of it is a total sucker.

Alright. Can see that angle as well. Seems logical & to make sense. Teach me for grasping at even a glimmer of hope. I ought to know better, anyway.

Thread can close. Figure that's about the best response to be put forward. Could stay open but I've doubt there's any more to say on it, or anything better to present.

"Asked & answered." 😐
 

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Yeah, see it.

“(1) IN GENERAL.—Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, the term ‘taxable nicotine’ means any nicotine which has been extracted, concentrated, or synthesized.
 

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If you want an opioid we'll give it to you but if you want to vape nicotine we'll tax the hell right out of ya.
 

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If you want an opioid we'll give it to you but if you want to vape nicotine we'll tax the hell right out of ya.

Yeah, even fight 20 years in Afghanistan to keep them growing poppy fields for opioids, against Taliban wishes. Damn did I type that out loud?

*welcomes the Poul Fenatly box*
 

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If you want an opioid we'll give it to you but if you want to vape nicotine we'll tax the hell right out of ya.

We haven't gotten to prescription vapes yet.
That is the plan though.
I can imagine a shitty 2010 cigilike that barely works. Maybe 3% effective. on par with the rest of their shitty NRT products.

Somehow the shitty cigilike will have magic nicotine like the rest of NRT that is good for you while at the same time a vape at the bodega down the street has the evil, addictive, brain chemistry changing nicotine in it that should be avoided at all costs.
 

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We haven't gotten to prescription vapes yet.
That is the plan though.
Seems unlikely. It would take too much hard effort to convince people that what's already been labelled a tobacco product should all of a sudden be labelled a pharmaceutical. The path of least resistance is to just hand the whole vaping industry over to Big Tobacco, as a renewed version of the MSA will be like easy money in direct comparison to making e-cigarettes a prescription drug. Big Tobacco has the most experience with keeping everyone "addicted to nicotine" (between quotes, because, to date, there exists no hard evidence to show that nicotine in absence of burning tobacco smoke is an addictive substance), which is precisely what state governments need to be able to continue to rake in MSA money, as burning tobacco product sales are continuously in decline. By allowing Juul to survive, FDA will open up the gateway to MSA 2.0 so, that is the real plan. It always has been from the start.
 

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Bloomberg has been blowing a lot of money to get rid of vaping.

Mostly because of the pharma magic nicotine vape called "Hale" that he has stock in.

They'll hit them with another MSA.
Don't worry about that.
Especially since Juul is now owned by big tobacco. this is why they are pounding on the juul drum still even though no one even uses juul very much.
They know that "most" vapes aren't made by big tobacco. this is why the FDA is going to make the PTMA list so small that they know it's companies that they can later wrap up in MSA 2.0 with the "Big Tobacco hooked another generation of teens on "new" smoking, just like they did in the 50's with regular smoking" narrative.

Trust me, the government is going to be fucking ruthless trying to recoup all of the "free" money they have been printing out of thin air.
Not just with vaping. With literally everything. At this point if they could legally tax you to breathe they probably would.
They are going to have everyone's business under a fucking microscope.
People's going to be in for a rude awakening when they figure out that "Tax the rich" really means "Screw over everybody".
It's kind of like trickle down economics but instead they are taking your money, and unlike trickle down economics this actually works.

Trickle down taxation. lol
You already see it at the supermarket, the gas pump, the price of houses damn near raising 33% in 2 years, etc...
Somewhere buried in the 6000 page, 3 trillion dollar infostructure bill is a "fuck over the average person" clause. There always is.
 

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Trust me, the government is going to be fucking ruthless trying to recoup all of the "free" money they have been printing out of thin air.
Not just with vaping. With literally everything. At this point if they could legally tax you to breathe they probably would.

Gold & silver start making a lot of sense. Let the U.S. come off the petrol-dollar & fiat currency.

Ah, look one hour of work earns an eighth ounce of silver. Eight hours gets a whole ounce. And you could feasibly do the same with gold. Aye, a pirates life for me it is! Argh! :)

Won't happen though as then bankers would need to have the tangible on hand. So much of a logistics nightmare and resources are "scarce" as is said. Plus it gives verification, integrity. Bankers cannot "print money out of nothing".

The "credit" game would collapse.
 
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Carambrda

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Bloomberg has been blowing a lot of money to get rid of vaping.

Mostly because of the pharma magic nicotine vape called "Hale" that he has stock in.

They'll hit them with another MSA.
Don't worry about that.
Especially since Juul is now owned by big tobacco. this is why they are pounding on the juul drum still even though no one even uses juul very much.
They know that "most" vapes aren't made by big tobacco. this is why the FDA is going to make the PTMA list so small that they know it's companies that they can later wrap up in MSA 2.0 with the "Big Tobacco hooked another generation of teens on "new" smoking, just like they did in the 50's with regular smoking" narrative.

Trust me, the government is going to be fucking ruthless trying to recoup all of the "free" money they have been printing out of thin air.
Not just with vaping. With literally everything. At this point if they could legally tax you to breathe they probably would.
They are going to have everyone's business under a fucking microscope.
People's going to be in for a rude awakening when they figure out that "Tax the rich" really means "Screw over everybody".
It's kind of like trickle down economics but instead they are taking your money, and unlike trickle down economics this actually works.

Trickle down taxation. lol
You already see it at the supermarket, the gas pump, the price of houses damn near raising 33% in 2 years, etc...
Somewhere buried in the 6000 page, 3 trillion dollar infostructure bill is a "fuck over the average person" clause. There always is.
You know what they say. If it's on PBS, then probably it's true... :p

So about the MSA and why people should worry about it indeed:
 

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Wondering if the FDA can regulate tobacco free synthetic made nicotine?

If not can it be taxed the same as tobacco made nicotine?

My thought is if it has no connection to tobacco at all then, it ought not face the same regulation & taxation.

Leaving this open to attain valid input, thoughts, direct links to articles & sources. Be interesting to learn regardless.
Yes. Nicotine is still a controlled substance. There is no such thing as "tobacco free" nicotine because all nicotine *pure* is tobacco free. It doesn't even have to be extracted from tobacco. It could be extracted from pretty much any plant in the nightshade family.
I think, the FDA is heading for trouble if they start regulating to much. You can extract your own nicotine at home (though I wouldn't recommend it unless you have the right equipment to purify it). Even cigarette butts from those butt cans. So what could happen is dumb ass teens googling how to DIY nicotine, and end up getting sick.
 

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So what could happen is dumb ass teens googling how to DIY nicotine, and end up getting sick.

Remember when if you did something so blatantly stupid as a teen, a parent would put a boot up your ass? Oh that's right. Any kind of corporal punishment used for discipline is considered evil, now. *smh*

 
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Remember when if you did something so blatantly stupid as a teen, a parent would put a boot up your ass? Oh that's right. Any kind of corporal punishment used for discipline is considered evil, now. *smh*

So here is one the kids don't know... Teens can be charged with public mischief if they "report a parent for spanking" if the spanking is done within set guide lines.. Yes, you can still spank the rotten little buggers.
Spanking must NOT leave bruises, cuts, broken bones and may only administer short term superficial effects.. such as a red ass or hand shaped welts that disappear in 10 minutes. Public Mischief is the law broken when someone files a false police report that has no chance of resulting in a prosecution.
 

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You assume that anyone in. The House gives a shit about the debt. Even the REPUBLICANS practice modern monetary theory. When TRUMP was in office they passed a bill ostensibly to fund the armed services but it was just as wasteful as most Democrat bills. Unless they give the President the line item veto anything any of them pass will be full of payoffs. Even a line item veto would only be effective in a President's second term when he does not have to worry about raising money although since the Citizens decision they all have these PACS they have to fund. They should put Rand Paul in some position to approve everything

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MyMagicMist

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So here is one the kids don't know... Teens can be charged with public mischief if they "report a parent for spanking" if the spanking is done within set guide lines.. Yes, you can still spank the rotten little buggers.
Spanking must NOT leave bruises, cuts, broken bones and may only administer short term superficial effects.. such as a red ass or hand shaped welts that disappear in 10 minutes. Public Mischief is the law broken when someone files a false police report that has no chance of resulting in a prosecution.

Mom reared three boys on her own. Discipline for us was a black leather belt strap. It hung on the inside basement door knob.

We boys knew if mom told us to get the belt, we did just that. Usually you got three whacks of it on your butt. Boy did it bite with its sting.

There was never any real damage inflicted from the belt. Yes, it lit our butts up for a bit. The concept of us fetching the belt gave us pause to think about what we had done.

Mom knew discipline, we learned it as well. Once we had all grown to men we talked and figured out there was not much if anything mom didn't know of us doing. None of us dared to push and see what she didn't know.

We reminded ourselves, "not too old for the belt." Mischief the likes of what you write never crossed our minds. A friend of the family was a deputy sheriff who had friends in all kinds of places.

He threatened me once with something far worse than jail time. "I'll tell your grandma," he said while I sat in the back of his car. It was then I passed him the set of cuffs he had put me in and said that wasn't needed.

Never tried dishonest theft again and still will not. Grandma would come from her grave to curse me, and pap would to sigh. No way I dare disappoint them.

Honest theft to me, you tell someone, "I'm stealing a couple pieces of your candy here." You might also steal food to feed your family, or another family as in Les Miserable. The point being you're not stealing for personal gain, to harm others, to cause or incite deceit.

Have said before, will again. If need comes, yes, I would hunt, trap, fish without authoritative license or permission. I would also be growing food, with or without permissions the same.

Anyway, I'll now digress as this is getting out of the realm of the original conversation. Suffice it to say I do not think STATE is always ethical, moral, just. When such presents itself as detriment to preservation of life, liberty, love it is time to take those to hand for oneself.
 

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