TC???

[blipt]

Ok it doesn't matter if I set my koopor @ 200 or 600 degrees it shows no difference in the vape....am I doing something wrong...? I have a twisted ss coil coming in @ .25Ω. The only thing I can think of is the coil resistance is to low...? Any help

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[mikeyboy74]

Ok it doesn't matter if I set my koopor @ 200 or 600 degrees it shows no difference in the vape....am I doing something wrong...? I have a twisted ss coil coming in @ .25Ω. The only thing I can think of is the coil resistance is to low...? Any help

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The resistance should be well within parameters. The more likely issue is that the TCR needs to be set manually, as is not too infrequent with SS coils. There is a factory default setting, which could be for 304, 316, etc. If I recall correctly, the default in the Koopor Plus is something like .00105, but don't quote me on this. Once you know exactly what kind of SS wire you've got, others should be able to help you, especially in the Regulated forum, under Mods and Accessories. Koopor also has their own forum, with discussion groups on this sort of thing. SS is nice in that it can also work in power mode.

 

[noogie003]

The resistance should be well within parameters. The more likely issue is that the TCR needs to be set manually, as is not too infrequent with SS coils. There is a factory default setting, which could be for 304, 316, etc. If I recall correctly, the default in the Koopor Plus is something like .00105, but don't quote me on this. Once you know exactly what kind of SS wire you've got, others should be able to help you, especially in the Regulated forum, under Mods and Accessories. Koopor also has their own forum, with discussion groups on this sort of thing. SS is nice in that it can also work in power mode.

Everything he said is totally valid and correct I would like to add that you may also simply need to adjust your wattage. The temperature setting is the temperature LIMIT, which means no matter how much or little power is going to the coil it will throttle down power to keep the temperature, and if you raise your wattage you will reach the desired temp faster. For Example: if your .25 ohm coil is set to 600 degrees at 30 watts than that is why your not getting your desired vape. You would need to raise the wattage. Disclaimer: I'm not aware if the Kooper has a fuction to manually set TCR nor am I aware if it has the fuction of adjusting the wattage In temp control mode. And if It doesn't do either of those things, it points towards the mod not having proper temp control to begin with.

 

[blipt]

It doesn't have a setting for wattage just has a min soft normal hard and max.....so I'm guessing it just doesn't work correctly or more to say doesn't have the correct settings to be full blown tc I've swapped back to wattage mode built a twisted 3 strand as coming in at a whopping.18 and it produces the most vapor out of any build to this date so I'm done with tc for now

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[noogie003]

Id assume those settings do adjust wattage in the form of
Min~40w
Soft~80w
Normal~120w
Hard~160w
Max~200w
As for your build now haha good shit, I'll be honest, I've tried many many temperature control builds on mods that have authentic temp control, and even then it's not all it's cracked up to be. If your truly trying to avoid dry hits some thicker Clapton wire will serve you well

 

[Jim_MDP]

Id assume those settings do adjust wattage in the form of
Min~40w
Soft~80w
Normal~120w
Hard~160w
Max~200w

You'd assume wrong.

If it follows the xCube model, SMOK uses that "initial hit strength" setting to adjust the automatic wattage level in TC (works on power mode wattage as well).

As follows, from Min to Max (for the first two seconds)...
-15%, -10%, 0, +10%, +15%.

That's it.

 

[noogie003]

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You'd assume wrong.

If it follows the xCube model, SMOK uses that "initial hit strength" setting to adjust the automatic wattage level in TC (works on power mode wattage as well).

As follows, from Min to Max (for the first two seconds)...
-15%, -10%, 0, +10%, +15%.

That's it.

ack im sorry like I said in my initial reply I've never owned a koopor or any smok product for that matter thank you for correcting me

Also if you don't mind explaining how does this "automatic" wattage adjustment work? I use automatic in quotes simply because it confuses me, if it was using ohms law to "automatically" distribute wattage it would deliver incredibly high wattage for low ohm builds using nickel and the lack of being able to adjust that is very strange to me, sorry for the conjecture just genuinely interested feel free to just post a link or something lol

 

[blipt]

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ack im sorry like I said in my initial reply I've never owned a koopor or any smok product for that matter thank you for correcting me

Also if you don't mind explaining how does this "automatic" wattage adjustment work? I use automatic in quotes simply because it confuses me, if it was using ohms law to "automatically" distribute wattage it would deliver incredibly high wattage for low ohm builds using nickel and the lack of being able to adjust that is very strange to me, sorry for the conjecture just genuinely interested feel free to just post a link or something lol

Yea a link or some explaining would be greatly appreciated. I just acquired this mod and the manual is very vague.

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[blipt]

the only chart I could find and it doesn't really explain the tc

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[Jim_MDP]

Yea a link or some explaining would be greatly appreciated. I just acquired this mod and the manual is very vague.

I wonder if the H-PRIV is the xCube successor it appears to be.
That might be a source of information.

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ack im sorry like I said in my initial reply I've never owned a koopor or any smok product for that matter thank you for correcting me

Also if you don't mind explaining how does this "automatic" wattage adjustment work? I use automatic in quotes simply because it confuses me, if it was using ohms law to "automatically" distribute wattage it would deliver incredibly high wattage for low ohm builds using nickel and the lack of being able to adjust that is very strange to me, sorry for the conjecture just genuinely interested feel free to just post a link or something lol

Oops... I saw your post when it was just the first line, missed the edit.

I wish I had answers. I really never used mine all that much, and not much at all recently.
It never played nice with BT and it's been half borked through the latest several updates.
(not the update's doing)

The only other "major" user parameter is "Single Coil/Dual Coil".
That did show a significant (and appropriate) increase in TC wattage for dual, but how the mod arrives at that initial value for any given res or coil material... I've no idea.

 

[noogie003]

I wonder if the H-PRIV is the xCube successor it appears to be.
That might be a source of information.




Oops... I saw your post when it was just the first line, missed the edit.

I wish I had answers. I really never used mine all that much, and not much at all recently.
It never played nice with BT and it's been half borked through the latest several updates.
(not the update's doing)

The only other "major" user parameter is "Single Coil/Dual Coil".
That did show a significant (and appropriate) increase in TC wattage for dual, but how the mod arrives at that initial value for any given res or coil material... I've no idea.

Hey no worries I mean it's smok most people didn't take a second look at anything they made until the h-priv haha, but I will say devices that function like this, to ME is a bit sketchy. How would the device have any idea what wattage my specific build requires? Shout out to the Djlsb chart but I think that chart displays the temperature limiting functioning working but hey thanks

 

[Jim_MDP]

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[Jim_MDP]

Hey no worries I mean it's smok most people didn't take a second look at anything they made until the h-priv haha, but I will say devices that function like this, to ME is a bit sketchy. How would the device have any idea what wattage my specific build requires? Shout out to the Djlsb chart but I think that chart displays the temperature limiting functioning working but hey thanks

I thought it was hitting its voltage limit but that should be 9v and the chart is showing ~7v.
Dunno.

And I'm not sure how folk are looking at SMOK mods overall.
The xCube really generated a lot of interest after the M80 TC debacle, and it does actually work. The Treebox has been widely well regarded as well.
Of course many look to their line having heard of them through the TFV4 tank line.

But they definitely have a different TC philosophy.

 

[Jim_MDP]

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[noogie003]

I thought it was hitting its voltage limit but that should be 9v and the chart is showing ~7v.
Dunno.

And I'm not sure how folk are looking at SMOK mods overall.
The xCube really generated a lot of interest after the M80 TC debacle, and it does actually work. The Treebox has been widely well regarded as well.
Of course many look to their line having heard of them through the TFV4 tank line.

But they definitely have a different TC philosophy.

While the xcube line can't get a pass from me even with its functionality because of the laughable battery door complaints from all my friends (if it's bad enough that the rubber case doesn't solve it like they say it must really be something) I definitely can't deny smok 's TFV4 legendary popularity if I had to guess it might be the highest selling sub ohm tank to date?

 

[Jim_MDP]

I'm sure it's been catching up, it's just that popular among the sub ohmers (though I've never had one)... but I'd think the top two have to be the Kanger line especially the Mini, and something or other from Aspire.

I don't have those either.

(though I do have a KST Nano from a year ago, and a never used V1 K Sub Tank)

 

[noogie003]

I'm sure it's been catching up, it's just that popular among the sub ohmers (though I've never had one)... but I'd think the top two have to be the Kanger line especially the Mini, and something or other from Aspire.

I don't have those either.

(though I do have a KST Nano from a year ago, and a never used V1 K Sub Tank)

Yes your probably right when the updated subtank mini came out it sold like hotcakes! I'll admit I actually love it for the rba base very surprised it's lasted me this long with no problems, and I don't think I know anyone who was sub ohming when the Atlantis came out and didn't buy one to try it out, but I also haven't jumped on the TFV4 bandwagon yet tried it wasn't a fan, have heard good things about the new RTA however

 

[Jim_MDP]

I followed the TFV4 a bit when it came out, then stopped when the total heads/decks passed 20.
And that was just the original full size.

I've looked again the past 6-8 weeks but I prefer a solid single coil and they're still focused on duals (and more) for the decks... and however many they can stuff in a factory head.

Solid products, highly regarded... just not my cup o' tea.