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The Watt Wars Are Getting Ugly... & Stupid
Ridiculous. I don't like the fact they are trying to squeeze 100 watts per 18650. I also don't think anyone needs that much even if they can actually get 300 watts out of it. On top of all that I'm not a fan of Kooper mods. Seems like it's going to be geared towards new vapers which is a great idea (sarcasm to the maximum). Sometime I think we are our own worst enemy (Vapers).
So in a word I'd say Ridiculous!
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So in a word I'd say Ridiculous!
Cheers,
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Im not opposed to 300w mods, but that in particular is just ugly as all hell. But as long as the design is safe and the safety features function, then fuck it, make 1000w mod, make a mega watt mod, whatever. Youll never push it past 200 in any reasonable situation anyways, and if you accidently fired it up at 350 and took a drag, I bet youll never do it again. Even vaping at 200 is brutal (ime). I did it once on accident, and it was like a firecracker going off in my mouth lol. Just an explosion of vapor and super heated eliquid droplets.
Just so I can say "I have it"
.But that doesn't mean I'll be firing it at max 300 watts, oh no siree.
I'm still quite happy firing at 30-50 watts on my DNA200s, depending on which rda or tank I use.
Lmao @ about 3:40 in. Thats good shit. I can just see some douchebag poser walking around with his Legal Vape 4000 blowing in his face.
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It is not necessarily bad, you do not have to use the 300W but you will get a very decent battery run-time with these 3 parallel 18650s making this a 9,000 mAh mod which is great, should last for days on a single charge.
The funny thing is that they are using the same R80 firmware which only goes up to 80W in TC mode, so both the R200 and this thing are limited to 80W in TC because fucking SMOK can not write some code!
The funny thing is that they are using the same R80 firmware which only goes up to 80W in TC mode, so both the R200 and this thing are limited to 80W in TC because fucking SMOK can not write some code!
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Three batteries wired in parallel won't last any longer than three batteries wired in series. The watt hours are the same no matter which way it they are wired.
I already think it's a bad idea for newbies to jump right into 200 watt mods. This just takes a bad idea and makes it worse imo.
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The industry has been so innovative for the last few years. Maybe some manufacturers are simply looking for any way to release a new mod now without considering what is best for the community, i.e safety, tc proper. The less scrupulous may be looking for fast sale only. 300w seems crazy to me.
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I know that they have the same watt/hour but there are other factors that are beyond my understanding of batteries and electrical circuits that makes parallel APVs have a longer run-time than those setup in series, for example, the same pair of VTC4s that i used on the Cuboid that could not last me till the end of the day, i use that same pair in the parallel iStick and they last me over a day, on the same settings and with the same amount of liquid vaporized, they give about 20-25% longer run-time.
Daniel DjLsb Vapes mentioned the same in his recent iStick review video that batteries last longer in it and had a long argument discussion in the comments of that video with some guy who also talked about watt/hour similarities and after a long debate Daniel said that it is actually true and that his 3 something years of electrical engineering makes him know the theory behind it but it is complicated to be explained in a Youtube comment.
From my personal experience batteries setup in parallel do actually last longer, it is a fact that i have experienced first hand, could be something to do with each battery being stressed less due to Amp distribution, and the fact that no battery is charging the other like in series config, the less voltage sag in parallels, i really don't know, but the watt/hour is only one part of the picture, does not account for all the other factors.
I could care less what other people buy. Do whatever floats your boat. For me, I own several 150-200w mods not because I vape at those wattages but because I like the battery life. I'm a bartender so a lot of my shifts can go anywhere from a minimum of 8 hours to as long as 14 hours. I appreciate the fact that I can leave my house with a full charge on my RX and still be good at the end of my shift. I love the fact that I no longer have to carry around another set of batteries. Before this my all day mod was a Vapor Flask DNA40 but the only problem was I was limited to what tanks I could run because it only went up to 40w. When I used to take my SX Mini to work I had to take at least 2 spare batteries. So, yes the mods have changed but for me they have changed for the better.
Watt hours are what it's all about. You have the same amount of stored energy whether it's 3.7v at 9000mah or 11.1v at 3000mah. The only difference would be in the efficiency of the boards. Nothing else.
Edit For example when you dial up 50 watts both mods will draw the same amount of amps from each battery whether in series or parallel.
Series 11.1v x 4.5a (per battery) = 50 watts to the board
Parallel 3.7v x 13.51a (13.51 / 3= 4.5a per battery) = 50 watts to the board
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But the iStick TC100W uses the same exact board and the same exact firmware as the Cuboid and the fact is that the same batteries with the same wattage/temp settings lasts longer in the iStick, not sure about the theory behind it but i know for a fact that it gives longer run-time.
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I Googled "batteries in parallel last longer?" and it looks like your calculations are correct when it comes to raw power drawn from the batteries, but like you said the chip efficiency comes into play here, with a series setup the chip bucks the voltage and in parallel it boosts it, could be that boost is more efficient than buck in general or in this particular chip, i am really not sure what is happening here, but in this case the parallel mod has a noticeably longer run-time.
EDIT: Also remember that the parallel mods in the market can reach a maximum of 100-120W while almost all other series ones can do 150-200W, so there must be some differences in how the chip operates with buck/boost in relation to battery configuration and the difference in run-time could be happening here.
Hmmm, that's why they say "Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder". I showed this to my friend who also owns a lot of mods and we agree on getting one each since we like the look and especially the fact that it has a digital clock as well.
Nah that pic is for all the mech fucktards who want to blow sick cloudz bra!!
While I think stupid should hurt that dumb ass kid and his dad got off light.
More power that is the way of the world.
Same things happens with our cars. Do you really think you need a 400+hp motor to drive 55-80mph on the highway. A 1969 VW Bug will do that using less than 50HP, and get better gas mileage doing it.
Vaping is no different... We have been TRAINED to think MORE is better. So they work to give us APV than will make more steam.
IDK about you-all, but some of my best tasting builds made the least AMOUNT of vapor. These builds might have had less flavor, sure. But do we always taste thing with the biggest amount we can cram in our mouths. New foods, that perfect wine or beer. Do we sample these with a sip or by slamming the bottle. Does one, even, taste the can/bottle of beer they swallow in one gulp?
If it was about battery life.. Why not just wire your atomizer to a car battery? I figure a good Inerstate 700amp battery should give vapor for months between charges.
Same things happens with our cars. Do you really think you need a 400+hp motor to drive 55-80mph on the highway. A 1969 VW Bug will do that using less than 50HP, and get better gas mileage doing it.
Vaping is no different... We have been TRAINED to think MORE is better. So they work to give us APV than will make more steam.
IDK about you-all, but some of my best tasting builds made the least AMOUNT of vapor. These builds might have had less flavor, sure. But do we always taste thing with the biggest amount we can cram in our mouths. New foods, that perfect wine or beer. Do we sample these with a sip or by slamming the bottle. Does one, even, taste the can/bottle of beer they swallow in one gulp?
If it was about battery life.. Why not just wire your atomizer to a car battery? I figure a good Inerstate 700amp battery should give vapor for months between charges.
If we consider a dual 18650 series mod and compare it to a parallel dual 18650 mod the internal resistance of the batteries would be 4x in the series mod of the resistance in the parallel mod. In a series mod the internal resistance of the batteries are added together. In a parallel mod the internal resistance of the batteries is halved. Less battery capacity is wasted as heat and the low voltage shut off will activate later in the discharge cycle in the parallel mod with all other factors being equal.
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there's a guy named Danny Laws that is in the convicted vapes Facebook group.
he makes 300 watt hammond boxes.
JTG has a review of one up that's from at least two months ago.
so this here is in no way the first 300 watt box mod.
he makes 300 watt hammond boxes.
JTG has a review of one up that's from at least two months ago.
so this here is in no way the first 300 watt box mod.
Heck I think someone made a 4000 watt cloud machine. I think this will however be the first mass produced 300 watt mod. I guess my worry isn't vapers who have been around awhile will get one that know about battery safety. I'm worried that someone will buy this as their first mod and have no idea what they're doing.
Just so I can say "I have it".
But that doesn't mean I'll be firing it at max 300 watts, oh no siree.
I'm still quite happy firing at 30-50 watts on my DNA200s, depending on which rda or tank I use.
totally agree. i think I'm running around 36 watts and get tons of vape.
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not only that, but there is also the coffin mod. with something insane like 12 18650's.
its the availability and the low price that scares me; that and it's built by a mod company not exactly known for consistent quality. they've had some good stuff and some questionable.
something custom built by a person who know what they are doing and priced at a higher price point, will weed out a certain segment of the customer base.
its the availability and the low price that scares me; that and it's built by a mod company not exactly known for consistent quality. they've had some good stuff and some questionable.
something custom built by a person who know what they are doing and priced at a higher price point, will weed out a certain segment of the customer base.
I was going to get a BC 3S2P Lipo Box....That about 3 times the amount of wattage as that box...I find it appealing but most dont build like I do...These boxes are for the 1% of people that will need that amount of power and still be regulated. I was looking at the Vicious Ant 350w Titanium a bit ago but it has a .2 Ohm lowest firing resistance....I find that pretty useless.
I wish I could get a Regulated mod that can pump 350w and fire down to .04-.05....
I wish I could get a Regulated mod that can pump 350w and fire down to .04-.05....
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Uneasy?
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yeah uneasy... not an indictment, just cautious....
I have a few 200w boxes and series mechanicals, but I also know how to build for them... a lot of us who are hobbyists do. }
BUT
when Ted, the new vapor goes into Fred's vape shop and sees, "300watts!!" for sale; and he knows nothing about battery safety or ohms law and neither does the staff; we have a recipe for disaster.
No, I'm not the crying harpie, I'm just looking at it analytically. There is a difference between a mod with a high price and limited availability and being built by a small group of people that really know what they are doing; in comparison to something mass produced that is available to the masses.
Its not a definite and I'm while I'm pretty sure nothing will happen, but it does still make my spidey senses tingle.
Yeah I saw that review. The one they reviewed only had a potentiometer and very basic screen. Not sure if that is considered a regulated device or not?
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it uses a dc-dc chip like the raptor so it's regulated
I didnt say there wont be people that dont know better that want one, but thats not who its designed for...Its called Darwinism...cant stop evolutions way of weedin' out the stoopid
Problem is, everyone suffers for the mistake of one dumb fuck.I didnt say there wont be people that dont know better that want one, but thats not who its designed for...Its called Darwinism...cant stop evolutions way of weedin' out the stoopid
It's this ridiculous liberal litigious society we live in. The government needs to step in and protect us from ourselves. .
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Um,
LOL, like my neighbor who started his charcoal grill with gasoline. Took him a while to grow back his beard and eyelashes.I didnt say there wont be people that dont know better that want one, but thats not who its designed for...Its called Darwinism...cant stop evolutions way of weedin' out the stoopid
I think Ether works best...just toss in the can and shut the lid
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You guys forgot something important here, even if a total beginner ends up buying one of these, there is no way they are going to hurt themselves because, being a beginner, they will not be able to build a coil that could absorb those 300W and they will most probably not have the appropriate RDA/RTA for housing such build, and if they try to go anywhere near that 300W their cotton will burn, the vapor will be super hot to tolerate so they will just back down after 1 second from trying and it will be ok, i believe this to be much safer to use for a beginner than a mech mod because the built-in protections, regulation and the fact that is it almost impossible for them to be able to actually use that 300W before they learn and know what they are doing and how to build for such power, and in that learning journey they will sure learn everything they need to know about battery safety and Ohm's law and all that stuff.
I personally like this mod and even the way it looks is elegant in my eyes, it is different, should provide a very decent run-time, looks to be well-built, and the fact that batteries are setup in parallel makes it safer, if only SMOK would update the Firmware for this and the R200 to make it utilize all that power properly in TC mode, i would be the first to buy it.
I personally like this mod and even the way it looks is elegant in my eyes, it is different, should provide a very decent run-time, looks to be well-built, and the fact that batteries are setup in parallel makes it safer, if only SMOK would update the Firmware for this and the R200 to make it utilize all that power properly in TC mode, i would be the first to buy it.
Man, is that thing ugly. It looks like the demon lovechild of a cheese grater and a Sony Watchman.
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I have a Sony Walkman and it still works.I was going to say a betamax tape and sony walkman
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I used to love the yellow waterproof one.
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what's a Walkman?
Yep perfect for the Klowd Bratz. Actually it is better/safer than a SMPL clone with an Efest in it and a subtank on top.
It was a radio/cassete player that was relatively small and portable from yesteryear. Here's a link.
Here's a waterproof one
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