Vaping in the USA: When the lie's so big

[5150sick]

http://www.velvetgloveironfist.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/vaping-in-usa-when-lies-so-big.html


Now that the weasels at the CDC count vaping as a "Tobacco product" they can lie and say teen tobacco use hasn't dropped since 2011.
They just can't admit that they were wrong about the "gateway effect".
Psychopaths act this way too - 5150

 

[Zamazam]

The way the CDC morons think, a teen vaping an ego and a ce4 will be a **** addict with a 2 pack a day cigarette habit in 3 years. They really have no clue, but only what the $$ from Big Tobacco and Big Pharma tell them to say.

 

[Kent B Marshall]

Tobacco product, even if it didn't have nicotine in the e-liquid. CDC sees e-cigarettes as part of the overall problem. CDC own report sees youth smokers and youth e-cigarette users are the same risk = tobacco use. CDC will never see any benefit of health from youth switching from cigarettes to e-cigarettes.
They will continue to adjust and alter their tactics to account for addition reports and studies that counter their end conclusions.

The FDA AND CDC has been on a smear campaign against e-cigarettes and it will continue. No accountability for their misleading information to confuse the public. They have been able to eliminate their duty to honestly provide information to e-cigarette users or prospective users. I'll be surprised if FDA doesn't force their regulations in this year.

 

[Mykline]

They want it called a tobacco product so they can tax the hell out of it and force the vaping industry to fall under the deal they made with the tobacco industry. Like I have said many times before it's all about the money nothing else.

 

[statseeker]

Just imagine how much liquid nicotine will cost when RJ Reynolds is selling it to you. And not even you, only registered and regulated e-juice labs. This is what the B&Ms that are paying attention are fighting against. Vendors are collecting the dough, B and Ms are fighting the fight. Not saying all online vendors, but most.

 

[statseeker]

It's all about the money and Big Tobacco knows that.

 

[Zamazam]

They want it called a tobacco product so they can tax the hell out of it and force the vaping industry to fall under the deal they made with the tobacco industry. Like I have said many times before it's all about the money nothing else.

Big Tobacco has to maintain their stranglehold on the market and make obscene profits on products that cause death, Big Government has to maintain their stranglehold on it's citizens by imposing obscene taxes on us. Nothing more than a drug cartel and it's enforcers raking in the money. Yea, it's all about the money, anyone with a few brain cells to rub together can see it, but the agitprop and propaganda vomited out by the government and it's partners blunts the truth.

 

[Smoky Blue]

Just imagine how much liquid nicotine will cost when RJ Reynolds is selling it to you. And not even you, only registered and regulated e-juice labs. This is what the B&Ms that are paying attention are fighting against. Vendors are collecting the dough, B and Ms are fighting the fight. Not saying all online vendors, but most.

Change this statement to: those that notice, it isn't just b&m's as..
there are some b&m owners that are only in it for the profit as well.. and really do not care about our "rights".
sad, but true and I know I can list quiet a few here.. there are others out there, that do not own b&m's that care more.
This whole "industry" as some call it.. needs to all be sticking together.. not just a select few.

Educate while teaching people how to live better. That is the only thing that must happen first..
or we all lose.

 

[Mykline]

The b&m's that sell cigarettes also for sure are in it just for the profit and I won't even step inside their doors.

 

[Zamazam]

The b&m's that sell cigarettes also for sure are in it just for the profit and I won't even step inside their doors.

There are a lot of those in my area. Won't go in and I steer new vapers away from those places. They're having a tough time quitting the smokes and moving to vaping, why provide the more dangerous option to them? besides, most of the owners of B&M's that sell cigs are smoke shop owners who want to capitalize on the market. They could give a rats ass what their customers buy.

 

[statseeker]

Change this statement to: those that notice, it isn't just b&m's as..
there are some b&m owners that are only in it for the profit as well.. and really do not care about our "rights".
sad, but true and I know I can list quiet a few here.. there are others out there, that do not own b&m's that care more.
This whole "industry" as some call it.. needs to all be sticking together.. not just a select few.

Educate while teaching people how to live better. That is the only thing that must happen first..
or we all lose.

Most people can tell the hysters out there from the guys that really know what they're talking about. There are lots of them in every major metro now. The people selling you juice at the smoke shop isn't necessarily indicative of most politically active juice shops. Those are more the b and M that I'm referring to. If they make their own liquids as many in my area do, they have a financial interest in not having to register as a lab to make e-liquid. Plus think liquid nicotine at 3x the price but half the potency and no selling to unregistered persons. I.e. you and me.

 

[Smoky Blue]

Most people can tell the hysters out there from the guys that really know what they're talking about. There are lots of them in every major metro now. The people selling you juice at the smoke shop isn't necessarily indicative of most politically active juice shops. Those are more the b and M that I'm referring to. If they make their own liquids as many in my area do, they have a financial interest in not having to register as a lab to make e-liquid. Plus think liquid nicotine at 3x the price but half the potency and no selling to unregistered persons. I.e. you and me.

Unfortunately, they all seem to think of my state last.. we have a ton of shops here, maybe 100 b&m's in the entire state, but in half the upstate.. there is only one b&m 'chain', that makes their own juice.. and they only own 3 shops here and one out of state.. the rest, depend on juice makers for their juice.. or are pretty much a hole in the wall, where you can pay for month to month cell phone service, or in convenience stores.. My state is close to the last in schooling, and tends to attract manufacturing.. very few skilled white collar jobs.. and i know we pick our own cotton and tobacco, still. welcome to Southern Living at it's finest..

As for selling nic, they will have to fight the farmers of our country in order to remove pure nic off the market.. and that may or may not happen so fast.. I make my own juice, and I do have a stockpile.. My great grands will not run out of nic But i do hope and try to encourage everyone to pay attention.. like i said.. it comes down to local politics and works up from there.. My state will be the last to enforce regs.. and I hope it stays this way.

There are a lot of those in my area. Won't go in and I steer new vapers away from those places. They're having a tough time quitting the smokes and moving to vaping, why provide the more dangerous option to them? besides, most of the owners of B&M's that sell cigs are smoke shop owners who want to capitalize on the market. They could give a rats ass what their customers buy.

and yeps it's not hard to spot who doesn't have vaping in their best interest.. its sad.. I feel the same way you do @Zamazam