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I think towards the end of the year they will go for heavy regulations on EJuice, but not until the end of the year. The feds will go with just enough to put some controls on it and let the states put the heavy regulations on it.
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Hoarding, I would never do that. Now stay out of my freezer.
I am doing just that and have for over a year now. To start with 12 liters of 100mg nic among mods,tanks,RDA's,just everything.
2015 seemed to be the year of the subtank war, year of temp control, and the year of big wattage box mods. Also worth noting toward the end of the year is a trend toward " mini" devices, and a rise in popularity of big airflow sub ohm RTA's.
I predict in 2016...
The replacable coil subtank war will wind down a bit. But never go completely away. There will be a new tank war, but with RTA'S. I can already see it starting. The 26650 form factor will make a comeback, mainly due to a want and or need for bigger tank capacity.
Juice prices will fall. Our devices are consuming juice faster than ever before, forcing us to DIY, buy cheap juice, or take out a home equity to afford it. I feel that the $20 for 30ml "premium" juice bubble will soon burst. Some major premium juice maker's are lowering their prices already. Cyclops for example.
As far as mods...
I feel that the race toward higher wattage will soon taper off. As powerful as you can make a device, there is only so much heat that the human body can handle. I have a 200 watt box, but the highest I ever had it was 130. Way too hot. Anyway, I feel that there will be a trend toward the quality / adjustability of the power delivery. For example, an adjustable "power curve" throughout the draw. A "smart chip" that reccomends a power setting based on not only resistance but heat flux of your coil.
Of course, this is all depending on weather or not the government screws it all up for everybody. I could write a book on that, but I'll save it for another thread.
I predict in 2016...
The replacable coil subtank war will wind down a bit. But never go completely away. There will be a new tank war, but with RTA'S. I can already see it starting. The 26650 form factor will make a comeback, mainly due to a want and or need for bigger tank capacity.
Juice prices will fall. Our devices are consuming juice faster than ever before, forcing us to DIY, buy cheap juice, or take out a home equity to afford it. I feel that the $20 for 30ml "premium" juice bubble will soon burst. Some major premium juice maker's are lowering their prices already. Cyclops for example.
As far as mods...
I feel that the race toward higher wattage will soon taper off. As powerful as you can make a device, there is only so much heat that the human body can handle. I have a 200 watt box, but the highest I ever had it was 130. Way too hot. Anyway, I feel that there will be a trend toward the quality / adjustability of the power delivery. For example, an adjustable "power curve" throughout the draw. A "smart chip" that reccomends a power setting based on not only resistance but heat flux of your coil.
Of course, this is all depending on weather or not the government screws it all up for everybody. I could write a book on that, but I'll save it for another thread.
TWELVE??? Does that say 12?? Whoa. I have almost 3 and thought I was set, LOL.
Nope, you are WAY short of what you need.
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Predictions.... The year of tc in kanthal which will in turn, lead to true refinement and standardization of output power. Battery technology will improve
The mini-boxmods will take off; and, with that hardware prices across the spectrum will drop due to flooding the market; as will, juice prices.
Also USA juice will start to be sold as base in one container and flavors in a second-or Nic will be sold separately(similar to the Aussie way)
Also the end of the 510 connection, we will start using a wider connection point as a means to tc kanthal and make the connection better overall and a stardaized connection industry wide
Oh- And the FDA will go fuck a duck
The mini-boxmods will take off; and, with that hardware prices across the spectrum will drop due to flooding the market; as will, juice prices.
Also USA juice will start to be sold as base in one container and flavors in a second-or Nic will be sold separately(similar to the Aussie way)
Also the end of the 510 connection, we will start using a wider connection point as a means to tc kanthal and make the connection better overall and a stardaized connection industry wide
Oh- And the FDA will go fuck a duck
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I also foresee a huge rush of adapters.
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Yes of course, but it'll be a 510 stimulus package. Lol
Seriously though, how the 510 became Industry standard is beyond me.
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I think Politicians will slow passing any regulation until after the election, fear of alienating possible voters. More and more smokers will come to vaping. DIY is going to continue to grow, most vapers within a year are averaging 5-10ml a day minimum, some twice that. With premium juice prices where they are, vaping can become more expensive than smoking. DIY becomes the logical solution. I am afraid as more people start to DIY the prices of supplies will increase.
How much do you 12 liters of nic people vape???!! I just opened a bottle from last May that'll last me quite a long time.
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I'll keep a liter in the freezer just in case. It takes .9 ml of 100mg to bring 30 ml of juice to 3mg. A liter gives me enough to Nic about 1200 30 mls. If I was selling juice, I would be right there with him. DIY's are gonna become like bootleggers if they have Nic.
I'm not saying you have to have 12 liters HB but if you get it at a really good price and keep it in the freezer it's not hurting to have it. I keep mine at -10F. I can remember when not to long ago you couldn't get vaperstek nic for awhile, now I don't worry about it.
I just don't have the freezer space. I mix for me and one friend. I have room for one more liter as it stands. I split mine up into 100ml glass ambers.
I understand what you are meaning there. There are other ways. Check your IM.
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I would make my entire base in 1 liter bottles and then put that in freezer.
Also a friend fought me how to net with tobacco leaves and vg. Not an attractive process but if thunderdome comes to pass im ready .
That would take up more space, LOL. I mix 300ml base at a time for mixing on the fly.
Sorry for the derail.... nic talk is important stuffs, though!
The wattage ceiling has been reached. No mods will be produced over 200 watts anymore.
Lipo power packs will be more common, as will on board charging.
YIHI will come out with software similar to escribe.
Juice prices will continue to plummet. People will smarten up to the facts. A cigarette is average of 25 cents each. A mil of juice shouldn't cost THAT damn much. DIY will become even MORE popular. Less and less juice will be shipped over the next year, as states impose more taxes and restrictions on liquid nicotine.
There will be a swing BACK to non sub ohm tanks.
Lipo power packs will be more common, as will on board charging.
YIHI will come out with software similar to escribe.
Juice prices will continue to plummet. People will smarten up to the facts. A cigarette is average of 25 cents each. A mil of juice shouldn't cost THAT damn much. DIY will become even MORE popular. Less and less juice will be shipped over the next year, as states impose more taxes and restrictions on liquid nicotine.
There will be a swing BACK to non sub ohm tanks.
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Right! That's why I edited. LolThat would take up more space, LOL. I mix 300ml base at a time for mixing on the fly.
Sorry for the derail.... nic talk is important stuffs, though!
I have a big deep freezer from when I would go shrimping as a hobby. So, unfortunately I have the space. - but does it have to be frozen? Or just room temp?
I should know this but...m
Yes it does say 12 liters. I was afraid they would mess with the nic so I started buying up enough to last.
It actually doesn't freeze it will stay liquid. All my nic is in PG form which is better for long term storage.
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Ok I realize that, but, I guess the question was meant as -does it have to be kept cold or can it be stored at room temp? -can I put in the closet and take it out the chiller?
Might need to reclaim the space since we haven't had a winter yet.
Keeping it sealed tight and cold will slow the oxidizing process and help keep it a fresher nic. Also using PG base over a VG base will help as well, once my liter bottle gets to half full I transfer it to half liter bottles to help keep as much air out of the bottles as I can. Air is what really affects the nic, the cold just helps slow the process also.
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Got it... Maybe ill sell the base if we have a good season.hahaha
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Whatever happens, I may not partake. Because my state is supposed to start taxing e-liquid on July 1st, I have already put in 3 years worth for my wife, plus many more years of nic in the freezer. At this point I only hope that I can outlive my nic supply.
As for devices, I don't do much shiny object chasing. I could likely go 5-10 years without buying anything except batteries, but if something truely catches my eye...well, who knows. I have been using mostly kayfuns for the last 18 months.
As for devices, I don't do much shiny object chasing. I could likely go 5-10 years without buying anything except batteries, but if something truely catches my eye...well, who knows. I have been using mostly kayfuns for the last 18 months.
26650 single battery mods! Between the 50-75 watt range.
Which if you ask me is really the only smart way the 26650 cell should be used.
Which if you ask me is really the only smart way the 26650 cell should be used.
I, too, think non-sub tanks are going to start getting more shelf space. I think porous ceramic is going to get popular in pre-built coils for your everyday favorite tank. There's already a little bit of a market for those clapton coilheads made for Subtanks (and another, slipping my mind at the moment) - I'll put a tenner down on 'porous ceramic coilheads' being the hot thing of 2016.
I think the 510 connection will survive--there's just too much of an installed base to get rid of it. It's like Windows, it will not die slowly or quietly...
I have a feeling the Tank Wars will continue for a while yet. I also predict that I'll keep flirting with the idea of an RTA but may or may not buy one--depending on whether I can find one that's made for somebody who doesn't like to fiddle with it constantly.
Devices will continue to have massively overwatted high ends, including a four battery version. I also predict that I'll continue using my 1 battery eVic VTC Mini and stay perfectly happy with it.
Fortunately, plenty of lower end boxes will still be invented and produced for those who prefer smaller sizes and lighter weights.
The FDA will be cracking down on liquids sooner rather than later. Like most others, I have a stash of 100 mg/ml nicotine so it won't impact me for quite a while. If they end up not doing it, I simply have the nicotine to use that I would have stored anyway.
I have a feeling the Tank Wars will continue for a while yet. I also predict that I'll keep flirting with the idea of an RTA but may or may not buy one--depending on whether I can find one that's made for somebody who doesn't like to fiddle with it constantly.
Devices will continue to have massively overwatted high ends, including a four battery version. I also predict that I'll continue using my 1 battery eVic VTC Mini and stay perfectly happy with it.
Fortunately, plenty of lower end boxes will still be invented and produced for those who prefer smaller sizes and lighter weights.
The FDA will be cracking down on liquids sooner rather than later. Like most others, I have a stash of 100 mg/ml nicotine so it won't impact me for quite a while. If they end up not doing it, I simply have the nicotine to use that I would have stored anyway.
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we can make it last really long if you want? just need to start and argument
As far as the regs.... I think that it will be a long hard fought battle on both sides. Might even go as far as the supreme court. I don't see either side going quietly into the night.
Anyway, whatever happens, I am ready. I have enough hardware to last the rest of my life. 3 reg boxes, 1 mosfet box, 3 tube mechs, 7 tanks, 6 rdas. I also diy. I buy nic by the liter, and If it becomes that much harder to aquire, that is my excuse to wean off of it completely, which is my goal anyway. I am already down to 1.5mg/ml. Vaping is a means to and end for me, I don't plan on doing it forever. Other things can't be regulated (pg/vg, flavors, batteries, wire). In a pinch, I can mix up some vg with some bourbon vanilla extract from the grocery store. Been done before. It actually pretty tasty. Even if worse comes to worse, no toaster is safe If I can no longer buy wire... Lol
Anyway, whatever happens, I am ready. I have enough hardware to last the rest of my life. 3 reg boxes, 1 mosfet box, 3 tube mechs, 7 tanks, 6 rdas. I also diy. I buy nic by the liter, and If it becomes that much harder to aquire, that is my excuse to wean off of it completely, which is my goal anyway. I am already down to 1.5mg/ml. Vaping is a means to and end for me, I don't plan on doing it forever. Other things can't be regulated (pg/vg, flavors, batteries, wire). In a pinch, I can mix up some vg with some bourbon vanilla extract from the grocery store. Been done before. It actually pretty tasty. Even if worse comes to worse, no toaster is safe If I can no longer buy wire... Lol
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That's kinda where I am, too, but I don't have a mosfet box. I have 3 regs that take batteries (4 if you count a rarely used Provari), 3 that don't and will eventually die, quite a few tanks/rdas, a dripper and a half (because the other is SO teeny), 2 tube mechs, 3 ego batts and I DIY. I have lots of wire, lots of wick, lots of flavors, and what I thought was lots of nic, LOL.
Back to predictions... The 26650 will make a long overdue comeback. As well as tube style regulated mods. Remember the innokin 134? That thing was badass looking. I never bought one though because a 12 watt device is a paperweight to me, and it was well over $100.
I see a push toward more compact, mid-level regulated devices - like in the 60-100 watt range. Stuffing dual 18650s or a 26650 into as compact a design as possible.
The bubble on stupid-sub-ohm and crazy high wattage is going to bust at some point, and the manufacturers (if not the pissing-contest entrants) are going to realize the core of the market lies below 100 watts. Devices that cater to those on the lunatic fringe will evolve to become more refined, reliable, and more expensive.
The juice bubble, already deflating, will continue to fall - $10-12 for 30 ml of premium liquid should be a cap by the end of next year, with a $7-10 price point more prevalent for mid-range quality liquid. It may drop even lower if some high-quality mixers decide to take on the discount guys who are already doing 100 ml at that price.
What won't happen, but I wish would: a new, sturdier atty connection sweeps the market and launches a real challenge to 510 - it would help if backed by some serious muscle, like Kanger giving away these new super-atties with their mods in the way Sony used Playstation to kill HD-DVD with Bluray. Provape has the right idea with this, and if they were as relevant a company as they were 2 years ago they might have had a shot at pushing what I think is a valuable innovation.
18650s with 3500 mah and a true 30A capacity.
Re-wrapper apologists for Efest, MXJO and the like somehow come to Jesus and learn to stop worrying and love legit manufacturers.
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The bubble on stupid-sub-ohm and crazy high wattage is going to bust at some point, and the manufacturers (if not the pissing-contest entrants) are going to realize the core of the market lies below 100 watts. Devices that cater to those on the lunatic fringe will evolve to become more refined, reliable, and more expensive.
The juice bubble, already deflating, will continue to fall - $10-12 for 30 ml of premium liquid should be a cap by the end of next year, with a $7-10 price point more prevalent for mid-range quality liquid. It may drop even lower if some high-quality mixers decide to take on the discount guys who are already doing 100 ml at that price.
What won't happen, but I wish would: a new, sturdier atty connection sweeps the market and launches a real challenge to 510 - it would help if backed by some serious muscle, like Kanger giving away these new super-atties with their mods in the way Sony used Playstation to kill HD-DVD with Bluray. Provape has the right idea with this, and if they were as relevant a company as they were 2 years ago they might have had a shot at pushing what I think is a valuable innovation.
18650s with 3500 mah and a true 30A capacity.
Re-wrapper apologists for Efest, MXJO and the like somehow come to Jesus and learn to stop worrying and love legit manufacturers.
@VaporJoes sends me a pizza to eat while watching Mod Envy.
My first device was actually a innokin VTR. I still have it and it still works great. I have been slowly pif'ing off my old gear but it still is fine for a first time device for a beginner. I setup one co-worker and in the process of setting up a second one now.
That's like 100+ gallons of juice for me.
So you're saying I should order more?
One prediction is that, FDA or no FDA, the scare has really expanded the DIY community. I predict a lot of fun and useful recipes and tips coming out of the new members over the coming year.
One prediction I wish I could make is that companies would develop more plug and play devices and toppers for new vapers. But I doubt it, even though I feel the industry needs a serious simplification at the lower end (and even I, fairly experienced, don't like to fiddle).
Now that I think about it a bit more, I expect we'll be seeing minimum 3200 mAh batteries with minimum 25A draw become fairly commonplace by late year. I'm probably underestimating that fairly badly, actually, given the strides just in 2015.
I haven't really seen a whole lot of advancement in li-ion tech over the last year, and like I predicted above, I'm sadly not optimistic. Cells for other purposes are moving to lipo packs, which is where the big companies are focusing their efforts these days. The only really new battery to hit the scene is the LG HG2, which pushes 20A up to 3000 mah - otherwise there's the HB6, which is the same as a VTC3 was offering a couple years ago...and a Samsung 25R refresh, which is basically pretty close to the VTC5 and a handful of others that have been around a while, also fairly old hat.
I hope you're right and I'm eating crow this time next year...
Eh, maybe, maybe not on the crow, and I won't be baking the pie in any case as it's no big deal. For me, that LG HG2 was a game changer, and the battery that (in part) finally pushed me over to box mods. 3,000 mAh with a 20 A ceiling was incredible, and finally hit about 2 1/2 times the vaping lifespan of my pen style. That made the extra weight and less-preferable shape tolerable.
From a few minor hints from battery reviewers, I'm getting the distinct feeling that the battery companies are about to up their game. We'll see.
From a few minor hints from battery reviewers, I'm getting the distinct feeling that the battery companies are about to up their game. We'll see.
I see lawmakers stepping aside to a certain extent. Regulations on age will definitely hit. I see taxing nicotine slightly and regulating it in a manner that maybe 100mg/ml wont be allowed in the hands of the general public. Pre-flavored nic juice will be taxed, my uess though around that of sales tax with maybe 1% federal tax. I see devices being the same as they can't regulate electronics without the fcc i believe. I only say this because the electronic devices themselve are not harmful when used correctly. As far as the industry itself i see it evolving into a more corporate america run atmosphere with people noticing the amount of money to be made. Technology advancement will suffer because of this. I am by no means an economist or political analyst but i feel this is the direct vaping is headed.
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