Vaping Related Mystery

[ryuk177]

Hello guys, this is my looks long but it's really interesting.

So I quit smoking and started vaping 4 months ago I took an Evic VT mod from a friend who smokes halo e-liquid (they don't clarify their PG/VG ratios on the normal bottles) it was 12 mg liquid all tobacco flavors and the resistance was something like 0.5 ohm, because I was new to vaping I vaped like I smoked (direct lung hit) the high nicotine burned my throat but nothing serious, I vaped this stuff for like 3 weeks and I didn't have any side effects what so over. Then I bought an Evic VTwo mod and I order sample e liquids from halo (all standard PG/VP ratios) nicotine strengths were 3%, 6% and 12%. I vaped all of them without any problem too but felt like 3 and 6 are low in nicotine so after I finished the sample packs I ordered 12% bottles and 0% with similar tastes in case the 12 was rush for me, then one day I learnt about mouth to lung vaping and when I tried it it was way better for the flavor and vapor production. It was all fine till about 3 weeks ago, whenever I vape I had this weird feeling in my chest like its sore from working out, it will last for some hours and then it will go alone, then the next day I won't feel this in my chest but in my throat like it doesn't feel sore but I feel something like a tiny needles in there, like something is wrong. I did a medical check and all was clear. This will last for a day and then it will disappear, for example now I don't feel it in my chest or throat but I feel it somewhere under my chin. I tried 3% nic level now and it's the same, I mostly have it in the morning and it will decrease through the day. Also it only happens when I vape.

- If it's a PG sensitivity or allergy then why I didn't have it long time ago?
- If it's from nicotine then why I have it now when I vape 3% and didn't have it when I vaped 12%?
- If it's VP sensitivity or allergy then again why I didn't have it long time ago?
- I'm not vaping more than usual, I used to vape way a lot before and didn't have any feeling like this.
- I'm using same liquid brand.

The only thing that I changed is that I'm not doing direct lung hits anymore but instead doing mouth to lung vaping.

Any suggestion would be great guys, this is really irritating and annoying and I don't wanna leave vaping and go back to smoking after 4 months.

Thanks a lot in advance.

 

[The Cromwell]

Do you get the same symptoms with all ejuice?
Sounds kinda like the allergic reactions I can get with lots of commercial ejuice.
My first sign is tingly lips.
If I keep using it it can progress to serious oral inflamation, throat inflamation and sore lungs.

Why I 100% DIY.

 

[Teresa P]

I know that at one time, Halo was famous for high PG juices. I have no idea if this has changed, but many folks do have your same symptoms with allergic reactions to PG.

 

[The Cromwell]

Yep some are sensitive to PG. However that is not my issue as my DIY is 60% PG.
Anything over 50% VG causes me to start to hack up VG.

When I first started vapig, and almost went back to smoking because of my reaction ot most commercial ejuice...
A high PG tobacco flavor from a cig shop was all I could find that I could vape. I was 100% diy within 2 moths of starting vaping.

 

[skt239]

Probably has nothing to do with vaping.

 

[The Cromwell]

Probably has nothing to do with vaping.

Yes could be that too.
Vaping does get blamed for a lot of things.
I finally decided that my feet stinking had nothing to do with vaping

However sensitivity to some ingredients in some ejuice does exist with some people.
One of the most ignored things in vaping.

 

[Teresa P]

I tried to blame my first two marriages on it too. Judge said "no dice."

 

[HeadInClouds]

However sensitivity to some ingredients in some ejuice does exist with some people.
One of the most ignored things in vaping.

Yes - and sensitivity to ingredients can be acquired over time due to exposure -- same as it works with common allergens like pet hair & pollen. I'd suggest vaping a different brand for a while. If you're noticing problems at least once a week, then vape that other brand at least that long to see if those symptoms vanish. One other thought: when did you last change your coil?

 

[The Cromwell]

Yes - and sensitivity to ingredients can be acquired over time due to exposure -- same as it works with common allergens like pet hair & pollen. I'd suggest vaping a different brand for a while. If you're noticing problems at least once a week, then vape that other brand at least that long to see if those symptoms vanish. One other thought: when did you last change your coil?

I am 100% DIY due to my reactions to many commercial ejuices.
it is a flavoring thing.
I have to toss at least 1/2 of the flavorings I try.
And it is NOT an accumulated thing as I get the beginnings of the reaction within 1 tank of the flavorings that negatively impact me.
Been vaping mostly my Vanilla Custard for a couple of years.

Might be artificial sweeteners?
I use liquid NuStevia as my sweetener.

Not sure what it is but is is quite debilitating as a full blown reaction results in severe inflammation of Mouth and throat and sore lungs.
And total lost of taste. I have to wonder if the problems with flavor burnout that many have are a much lesser reaction to the same ingredient/s?

Takes 2-3 days to go away in the severe case. Which I avoid since I have learned the early warning signs.

I may be the only maker of Hypoallergenic ejuice in the world?

 

[ryuk177]

Do you get the same symptoms with all ejuice?
Sounds kinda like the allergic reactions I can get with lots of commercial ejuice.
My first sign is tingly lips.
If I keep using it it can progress to serious oral inflamation, throat inflamation and sore lungs.

Why I 100% DIY.

Yes almost with all ejuices, the weird thing is that I vaped the same flavors before and nothing happened, it just popped out of no where.

 

[ryuk177]

I know that at one time, Halo was famous for high PG juices. I have no idea if this has changed, but many folks do have your same symptoms with allergic reactions to PG.

I vaped the same halo juices with the same PG/VG ratios and nothing like this happened before. But I'm gonna try diluting the juices with base VG and see if the the problems persist or not.

 

[ryuk177]

Probably has nothing to do with vaping.

I don't think so, I never had such things before vaping and it only starts after I vape for sometime.

 

[Teresa P]

@The Cromwell, wasn't your issue with the flavorings in commercial juices? I could be recalling that all wrong...
**NM, I need to learn to read...

 

[ryuk177]

Yes - and sensitivity to ingredients can be acquired over time due to exposure -- same as it works with common allergens like pet hair & pollen. I'd suggest vaping a different brand for a while. If you're noticing problems at least once a week, then vape that other brand at least that long to see if those symptoms vanish. One other thought: when did you last change your coil?

I have a charlies chalk dust 3% 70/30 bottle, I'm gonna try that and see the results.

 

[ryuk177]

Yes - and sensitivity to ingredients can be acquired over time due to exposure -- same as it works with common allergens like pet hair & pollen. I'd suggest vaping a different brand for a while. If you're noticing problems at least once a week, then vape that other brand at least that long to see if those symptoms vanish. One other thought: when did you last change your coil?

I changed my coil many times, almost 2 times a week to check if this was the issue but apparently it's not.

 

[The Cromwell]

@The Cromwell, wasn't your issue with the flavorings in commercial juices? I could be recalling that all wrong...
**NM, I need to learn to read...

yes but I have the same issue with many flavorings that I buy for DIY.

The first symptom is tingly lips.
I have learned to give up on that flavor and toss it. If I keep it up it rapidly gets worse.
Commercial ejuice uses the same flavorings that I can get.

 

[Smoky Blue]

yes but I have the same issue with many flavorings that I buy for DIY.

The first symptom is tingly lips.
I have learned to give up on that flavor and toss it. If I keep it up it rapidly gets worse.
Commercial ejuice uses the same flavorings that I can get.

Actually, there are vendors that have flavors custom made for them, that you can not get.

Tingly lips.. kind of like ringing in the ears, indicates an allergic reaction.

What I'd find out is if it is pg or vg you are allergic to, and then stay away from whatever is the cause.
Personally I can not tolerate PG, I developed hives.

I have found using ultra concentrates at a low amount does help, in my situation.
I wish the both of you all the best. Try an appointment with an allergist and find out what your situation is. Good luck!

 

[The Cromwell]

What I'd find out is if it is pg or vg you are allergic to, and then stay away from whatever is the cause.
Personally I can not tolerate PG, I developed hives.

It is an issue with flavoring ingredients.
Same PG/VG and ratios and the only difference is the flavoring used.

Yep I expect that there are some custom flavorings for some juice vendors but the majority of the ingredients are the same ones we can buy.


And yes I mix at 7-10% typically even for the flavorings that give me no trouble.

 

[Smoky Blue]

It is an issue with flavoring ingredients.
Same PG/VG and ratios and the only difference is the flavoring used.

Yep I expect that there are some custom flavorings for some juice vendors but the majority of the ingredients are the same ones we can buy.


And yes I mix at 7-10% typically even for the flavorings that give me no trouble.

So you have vaped with zero flavors, 100% pg and 100%vg... no issues?

Flavors do contain either pg or vg(vga).. you really need to figure out which it is.. either your pg or your vg..
that in itself will help determine what manufactures and flavors you can vape. I recommend again, see an allergist for proper diagnosis.

 

[The Cromwell]

So you have vaped with zero flavors, 100% pg and 100%vg... no issues?

Flavors do contain either pg or vg(vga).. you really need to figure out which it is.. either your pg or your vg..
that in itself will help determine what manufactures and flavors you can vape. I recommend again, see an allergist for proper diagnosis.

I vape 60 / 40 PG/VG with no issues. I have vaped what I think was pure PG juice with no issues. The one juice I could vape until I started DIY.
If I vape over 50% VG I start hacking up VG.

My issue is NOT PG or VG as to my allergic reaction.
It IS something in many flavorings.

allergists do not deal with flavorings used in vaping. Unless one want to spend a small fortune.
and one would have to have spectroscopic analysis done on commercial ejuice to determine the contents... I have NO other allergies at all. Heck I am not even allergic to posion ivy.

I suspect my issue to a much lesser degree in others may be the cause of vapers tongue...
Since ONE of my symptoms is complete loss of taste.

I have learned the early warning symptoms and toss the offending flavor. I test each flavor on it's own mixed of course with my PG.VG blend.
If it shows that it will cause problems I toss it.

It is not possible to even know which flavorings are in commercial juice and I spent a fair bit of money trying and tossing them before I gave up on commercial ejuice.

Inawera and TFA are the worst brands.
Capella is the one with the least number of offenders.
CAP V1 is safe.

I realize that my position on this is not popular with those who profit from the ejuice industry.
But tough shit, it is the way it is.

the fact is that the ejuice industry is like thew wild west with no data on the impact of inhaling food flavorings. I feel that is it pretty darned safe but to a few like me it is not good.

of course the FDA or BT might pay to find out what in ejuice that I am allergic to...
But naah.

And if no one had guessed by now I am getting pissed about being dissed over this issue.

 

[Smoky Blue]

I vape 60 / 40 PG/VG with no issues. I have vaped what I think was pure PG juice with no issues. The one juice I could vape until I started DIY.
If I vape over 50% VG I start hacking up VG.

My issue is NOT PG or VG as to my allergic reaction.
It IS something in many flavorings.

allergists do not deal with flavorings used in vaping. Unless one want to spend a small fortune.
and one would have to have spectroscopic analysis done on commercial ejuice to determine the contents... I have NO other allergies at all. Heck I am not even allergic to posion ivy.

I suspect my issue to a much lesser degree in others may be the cause of vapers tongue...
Since ONE of my symptoms is complete loss of taste.

I have learned the early warning symptoms and toss the offending flavor. I test each flavor on it's own mixed of course with my PG.VG blend.
If it shows that it will cause problems I toss it.

It is not possible to even know which flavorings are in commercial juice and I spent a fair bit of money trying and tossing them before I gave up on commercial ejuice.

Inawera and TFA are the worst brands.
Capella is the one with the least number of offenders.
CAP V1 is safe.

I realize that my position on this is not popular with those who profit from the ejuice industry.
But tough shit, it is the way it is.

the fact is that the ejuice industry is like thew wild west with no data on the impact of inhaling food flavorings. I feel that is it pretty darned safe but to a few like me it is not good.

of course the FDA or BT might pay to find out what in ejuice that I am allergic to...
But naah.

And if no one had guessed by now I am getting pissed about being dissed over this issue.

Simple questions, there Cromwell.. no one is "dissing" you.. at least I am not.

Allergists can find out what one is allergic to, with a simple skin test. Most insurances do cover it.
Who knows, you might find out, besides common mold/mildew, there may be other things too.

All I am suggesting is to try out solo use pg/vg.. cant get mad at that, process of eliminations.

How about list some of the flavors, too.. Give more info..
Who knows, maybe someone else has the same issue or someone in a lab is looking for someone like you.
So instead of getting pissed off.. feed us more info..

All I am stating is the simple obvious things. Help the site out and tell it all.

 

[Smoky Blue]

I vape 60 / 40 PG/VG with no issues. I have vaped what I think was pure PG juice with no issues. The one juice I could vape until I started DIY.
If I vape over 50% VG I start hacking up VG.


I suspect my issue to a much lesser degree in others may be the cause of vapers tongue...
Since ONE of my symptoms is complete loss of taste.

I have learned the early warning symptoms and toss the offending flavor. I test each flavor on it's own mixed of course with my PG.VG blend.
If it shows that it will cause problems I toss it.


And if no one had guessed by now I am getting pissed about being dissed over this issue.

you edited your post..

Another thing..

post up a recipe..

sometimes overusing a flavor.. or vaping the same thing over months on end..

Sometimes it is a molecule causing an action..

Don't know till there is more info.

 

[The Cromwell]

Simple questions, there Cromwell.. no one is "dissing" you.. at least I am not.

Allergists can find out what one is allergic to, with a simple skin test. Most insurances do cover it.
Who knows, you might find out, besides common mold/mildew, there may be other things too.

All I am suggesting is to try out solo use pg/vg.. cant get mad at that, process of eliminations.

How about list some of the flavors, too.. Give more info.. who knows, maybe someone else has the same issue or someone in a lab is looking for someone like you. So instead of getting pissed off.. feed us more info..

All I am stating is the simple obvious things. Help the site out and tell it all.

I talked to my doctor and she said the only test for common things. Mold Mildew, gluten, peanuts, pet dander, etc and do not test for chemical ingredients in flavorings. And since my insurance considers me a smoker since I vape I cannot see them paying much to test for vaping allergies.

No real or artificial flavorings or coloring's give me trouble when I eat them.

 

[The Cromwell]

you edited your post..

Another thing..

post up a recipe..

sometimes overusing a flavor.. or vaping the same thing over months on end..

Sometimes it is a molecule causing an action..

Don't know till there is more info.

I have vaped this recipe for over 2 years with Zero vapers tongue or any other issues.
this is a 120 ml batch in 60pg/40 vg.
4 ml CAP Vanilla Custard V1.
1.6 ml CAP Vanilla whipped cream.
3 ml 100 mg 100mg/ml nic in PG.

The flavorings that give me trouble it is noticeable within a few ml. No vaped it too long thing.
And if I keep vaping it I get severe oral, throat inflamation and sore lungs which I assume are inflamed as well.

 

[AndriaD]

I am 100% DIY due to my reactions to many commercial ejuices.
it is a flavoring thing.
I have to toss at least 1/2 of the flavorings I try.
And it is NOT an accumulated thing as I get the beginnings of the reaction within 1 tank of the flavorings that negatively impact me.
Been vaping mostly my Vanilla Custard for a couple of years.

Might be artificial sweeteners?
I use liquid NuStevia as my sweetener.

Not sure what it is but is is quite debilitating as a full blown reaction results in severe inflammation of Mouth and throat and sore lungs.
And total lost of taste. I have to wonder if the problems with flavor burnout that many have are a much lesser reaction to the same ingredient/s?

Takes 2-3 days to go away in the severe case. Which I avoid since I have learned the early warning signs.

I may be the only maker of Hypoallergenic ejuice in the world?

I get that "tingly lips" thing from just one -- LorAnn's maraschino cherry; it almost feels like the way strong alcohol burns your lips/mouth. I disliked it intensely, it seemed quite toxic! So I can understand your abstaining from anything that would cause it!

But flavors do seem to be the most problematic aspect of vaping -- once the "comfortable" ratio of PG/VG has been established, which can also give a new vaper some problems. Anything with cinnemaldehyde (cinnamon redhots, etc) tastes like scorched metal to me, like a coil that needs replacing yesterday... had a hard time finding a chocolate flavor I could taste at all... It definitely could be the flavoring or some additive that the maker puts in, so the first thing to try is a different brand, maybe a different flavor profile altogether.

Andria

 

[The Cromwell]

I get that "tingly lips" thing from just one -- LorAnn's maraschino cherry; it almost feels like the way strong alcohol burns your lips/mouth. I disliked it intensely, it seemed quite toxic! So I can understand your abstaining from anything that would cause it!

But flavors do seem to be the most problematic aspect of vaping -- once the "comfortable" ratio of PG/VG has been established, which can also give a new vaper some problems. Anything with cinnemaldehyde (cinnamon redhots, etc) tastes like scorched metal to me, like a coil that needs replacing yesterday... had a hard time finding a chocolate flavor I could taste at all... It definitely could be the flavoring or some additive that the maker puts in, so the first thing to try is a different brand, maybe a different flavor profile altogether.

Andria

Yep why I test each new flavor on it's own at a low percentage in my 60/40 mix.

If I get no negative reaction or the flavor is not horrible it goes in the vapable bin.
If it shows any problems I just toss it and never get any more.

Cheaper than trying juice and not even knowing what flavorings are in it.

Even if I identified the artificial ingredients that I am obviously allergic to I still could not buy commercial ejuice since they do not list their ingredients.

 

[Teresa P]

I bet you've got quite a list of "do not repeat" flavors written down. That would royally suck.

 

[The Cromwell]

I bet you've got quite a list of "do not repeat" flavors written down. That would royally suck.

yeah they get an X thru them in my flavor catalog I keep. My recipe logs are in there as well.

But tossing a $3 bottle of flavoring is less painful than a $15 bottle of juice....

When I first started vaping I ordered around $50 of ejuice. Good brands,
and tossed it all. At least one was so horrible tasting I could not even vape it enough to
see if I was allergic to it

 

[huston]

I have a problem with orange and watermelon flavors. As soon as i go to inhale i start coughing. So far no other flavors do that to me. I carry about 57 flavors on hand.

 

[Smoky Blue]

I talked to my doctor and she said the only test for common things. Mold Mildew, gluten, peanuts, pet dander, etc and do not test for chemical ingredients in flavorings. And since my insurance considers me a smoker since I vape I cannot see them paying much to test for vaping allergies.

No real or artificial flavorings or coloring's give me trouble when I eat them.

Sorry I have been busy.. still am, the holidays, clients and more, fun times!
So.. curious.. what flavors or manufactures, either or.. are you allergic to, Cromwell??

Mine was pretty easy to spot, and I do have good insurance, but pg anything will cause my throat to break out in hives..
pretty gross, and if I keep it up, those hives hurt, will make me cough, sound worse than I already do.
I used to be a heavy smoker.. and it has affected my throat.
Both my Drs say it's due to my smoking, that my throat just can't deal with the harsh dryness that pg causes a reaction..
I did go thru the skin test, and have a few other things that hit me like Pecan trees and the usual.. so..

You have to remember, eating and inhaling are 2 different things.. for each process, there is an application and a reaction.

I wish ya luck, and hope you are keeping up with whatever it is you are allergic to..

 

[The Cromwell]

I have a problem with orange and watermelon flavors. As soon as i go to inhale i start coughing. So far no other flavors do that to me. I carry about 57 flavors on hand.

Only found one melon flavoring that did not taste highly chemical to me.
It is a natural extract.
https://flavorconcentrates.com/natural-flavor-concentrates

Their Banana is really good as well. a really natural bannana.
Requires a LOOOOONG steep though.

 

[Smoky Blue]

Only found one melon flavoring that did not taste highly chemical to me.
It is a natural extract.
https://flavorconcentrates.com/natural-flavor-concentrates

Their Banana is really good as well. a really natural bannana.
Requires a LOOOOONG steep though.

Those are yet again, ultra concentrates.. use their banana at .15-.25%
shouldn't require more than a 1-3 day steep.

Also, those are all vga flavors..

 

[The Cromwell]

Those are yet again, ultra concentrates.. use their banana at .15-.25%
shouldn't require more than a 1-3 day steep.

Also, those are all vga flavors..

Both their strawberry and their bananna get lots smoother with more steep time.
They are a bit raspy with shorter steep time. Taste less ripe in other words.
But they are some of the most accurate flavorings I have used as far as natural taste with no chemical taste.

 

[zephyr]

Hello guys, this is my looks long but it's really interesting.

So I quit smoking and started vaping 4 months ago I took an Evic VT mod from a friend who smokes halo e-liquid (they don't clarify their PG/VG ratios on the normal bottles) it was 12 mg liquid all tobacco flavors and the resistance was something like 0.5 ohm, because I was new to vaping I vaped like I smoked (direct lung hit) the high nicotine burned my throat but nothing serious, I vaped this stuff for like 3 weeks and I didn't have any side effects what so over. Then I bought an Evic VTwo mod and I order sample e liquids from halo (all standard PG/VP ratios) nicotine strengths were 3%, 6% and 12%. I vaped all of them without any problem too but felt like 3 and 6 are low in nicotine so after I finished the sample packs I ordered 12% bottles and 0% with similar tastes in case the 12 was rush for me, then one day I learnt about mouth to lung vaping and when I tried it it was way better for the flavor and vapor production. It was all fine till about 3 weeks ago, whenever I vape I had this weird feeling in my chest like its sore from working out, it will last for some hours and then it will go alone, then the next day I won't feel this in my chest but in my throat like it doesn't feel sore but I feel something like a tiny needles in there, like something is wrong. I did a medical check and all was clear. This will last for a day and then it will disappear, for example now I don't feel it in my chest or throat but I feel it somewhere under my chin. I tried 3% nic level now and it's the same, I mostly have it in the morning and it will decrease through the day. Also it only happens when I vape.

- If it's a PG sensitivity or allergy then why I didn't have it long time ago?
- If it's from nicotine then why I have it now when I vape 3% and didn't have it when I vaped 12%?
- If it's VP sensitivity or allergy then again why I didn't have it long time ago?
- I'm not vaping more than usual, I used to vape way a lot before and didn't have any feeling like this.
- I'm using same liquid brand.

The only thing that I changed is that I'm not doing direct lung hits anymore but instead doing mouth to lung vaping.

Any suggestion would be great guys, this is really irritating and annoying and I don't wanna leave vaping and go back to smoking after 4 months.

Thanks a lot in advance.

Are the coils in your new tank different? What you have seems a lot like my reaction after I use Nichrome or nickel coils; your old tank maybe had kanthal and new one uses nichrome? I would check that

 

[Smoky Blue]

Both their strawberry and their bananna get lots smoother with more steep time.
They are a bit raspy with shorter steep time. Taste less ripe in other words.
But they are some of the most accurate flavorings I have used as far as natural taste with no chemical taste.

If you like those.. then go with Flavorah...
Once you try flv, you will understand.. I wish I could say more.. but I can not.
Not at this time.

 

[The Cromwell]

If you like those.. then go with Flavorah...
Once you try flv, you will understand.. I wish I could say more.. but I can not.
Not at this time.

btw those are PG based not VG. although some do contain some VG.
Why I like them better than Flavorah.
That and they are all natural no chemical flavorings other than PG/VG.

 

[Smoky Blue]

btw those are PG based not VG. although some do contain some VG.
Why I like them better than Flavorah.
That and they are all natural no chemical flavorings other than PG/VG.

I won't argue, I know who makes them.

 

[Smoky Blue]

Anyways.... keep updating your list.. for allergies, it sucks when I forget and get a surprise of omg I did it again..
Cheers and best of luck to ya..

 

[The Cromwell]

Anyways.... keep updating your list.. for allergies, it sucks when I forget and get a surprise of omg I did it again..
Cheers and best of luck to ya..

Yep some chemicals in ejuice flavorings do not agree with me.
I think that EM is one of the no noes.
And then some flavorings that do not cause an allergic reaction with me just taste too chemical.

I do have the Bitter Gene and am a bit of a super taster. Not full blown but can taste things that others cannot.

I also cannot tolerate the taste ANY artificial sweeteners.
I use one non bitter variety of Stevia as my sweetener.

 

[Artemis]

I get lung pain, chest discomfort, and wheezing from certain flavorings. I cannot use more than 50% vg or I expectorate mucous too much. It's been 7 years of vaping and almost 7 years of diy.

 

[The Cromwell]

I get lung pain, chest discomfort, and wheezing from certain flavorings. I cannot use more than 50% vg or I expectorate mucous too much. It's been 7 years of vaping and almost 7 years of diy.

Same here on the VG and some flavorings.
I started DIY within 1 month of starting vaping.
I had only found 1 juice that I could vape.
A chinese gas station tobacco ejuice.

It was a miserable first month of vaping almost went back to smoking.
That was nearly 3 years ago.