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Which of these RDTA's would you order ?
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I do not have the limitless or the 24 the theorem is pretty good for flavor so I may pick up the avacado 24. I would get the boreas if you are a dl vapor. It is hands down best purchase I have made in a while, wicking is much easier than the griffin. Eciggity.com use code boreas if they still have them in stock
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The first two are just RTAs
Flavor wise my 2 favorites right now are the Avocado and Merlin. The Boreas is a great tank that chucks without compromising too much in the flavor department. It is a big ass tank. I have a Limitless on the way so I really can't comment on it yet. Never had a Griffin but the general consensus here is the Boreas is better.
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Boreas or griffin. I'm not a huge fan of Genesis style devices and I feel they're usually a little lacking in wicking speed and flavor. The boreas is a flavor beast and super cheap right now.
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I love my avacado 24, the option to do single or dual coil, use your own 510 drip tip
this is not a traditional geni, it is an rda with a tank below.. wicks perfectly, flavor and vapor for days
My 2cents:
Want to stick to 22mm? Griffin is your best option.
Want high capacity and a cloud chucker with no hassles? Boreas easily.
Want something a bit more subdued but rocking in flavor? Theorem will treat you right.
Want something that can chuck a cloud but focuses on flavor? The Avocado is great.
I don't have the 24mm Avocado, but I LOVE my 22mm one (and it looks excellent on my Noisy Cricket). I don't have the Limitless, but IIRC it's a built in drip tip which is a no-no for me, and 24mm which I didn't really like, but everything else about it looks great, I'd imagine it'd perform similar to the Avocado. I have no issues with wicking on my Genny style atomizers unless I really try to push it. If a tank can handle the build so can the genny style, I just wick it scottish roll style and clip the cotton so it just fills the juice holes (maybe a tad dangling through the bottom of them), sure I have to tilt/flip it once in a while to let the juice soak in, but they really do a good job IMO, and it's nice that you can just flip the top off and really soak it with juice to get the full drip experience any time you want.
This is where I am at. I am absolutely exhausted with these tanks and I like to change juice a lot, which suits my style. I mean every one of these releases seem awesome to me. Had these companies released these RDTA's at a different time, it would make things much easier. They all seem so great. To be honest the Avocado 24 attracts me the most and with single coil option, its right up my alley. I am also in another forum and they absolutely love the Avocado, just like the people here do the Boreas. One thing about the Boreas I do not like is the leaking issues.
Another notable mention was the ModFather. I dont need a 30m 9ml tank. It looks like its strictly a cloud chucker. I am more flavor-centric.
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If you like to switch flavors frequently then get the Avocado. If you chain vape that tank will keep you busy. My Boreas has never leaked but she is a big girl. The Merlin is kind of a nice compromise between the Avocado and Boreas. I love my Avocado with a single coil in it. I like it so much I haven't even tried a dual setup yet. Modfather for me is just to damn big. I don't even know what mod I would put that on.
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I would go for the limitless and the Boreas
For the genny style the limitless is by far the best in my opinion. I don't understand why alot of people recommend the avocado and not the i think it is cause the limitless is made by ijoy so people just dismiss it as well as no 510 drip tip... big mistake on their part. . the theorem is a pain cause you have to always refill it so right there it is out for me though it does give good flavor but so does the limitless and avocado. the avocado.. the design in my opinion is dumb.. to get to the glass section you have to unscrew the 510 so you need a screw driver to clean it.. no thanks. also you have to stuff the cotton down the holes.. another pain. my opinion is it's a pain to build on and clean. Now the limitless is just a dream to work with.. so easy to build on.. the top section screws right off with your fingers to get to the glass section.. build your coils lay the cotton down the way you like it and screw the top section down and the just pop your cap on just like a real rda.. it also vapes like a dream.. the air flow is super smooth. I honestly don't think they could have designed it any better. the down side is you can't use your own 510 drip tip but a Kennedy drip tip or griffin trip tip fits just fine. all three give really good flavor so for flavor anyone is good. Also I forgot to mention everyone says that the wicking on these jenny style rdtas are lacking.. i seriously don't have a glue what they are talking about for i chain vape like a mad man and I have never had a dry hit from any of them.. they all keep up like champs.. you just need to wick it properly and really wicking them properly is super easy.
Now I don't own the griffin but I did a lot of research before i chose between the boreas and the griffin and even made a post asking everyone what the best one was and everyone pretty much said the boreas. so i bought it and couldn't be happier.. also vapes like a dream.. but i really don't have the other ones to compare it to so i can't say for sure.
For the genny style the limitless is by far the best in my opinion. I don't understand why alot of people recommend the avocado and not the i think it is cause the limitless is made by ijoy so people just dismiss it as well as no 510 drip tip... big mistake on their part. . the theorem is a pain cause you have to always refill it so right there it is out for me though it does give good flavor but so does the limitless and avocado. the avocado.. the design in my opinion is dumb.. to get to the glass section you have to unscrew the 510 so you need a screw driver to clean it.. no thanks. also you have to stuff the cotton down the holes.. another pain. my opinion is it's a pain to build on and clean. Now the limitless is just a dream to work with.. so easy to build on.. the top section screws right off with your fingers to get to the glass section.. build your coils lay the cotton down the way you like it and screw the top section down and the just pop your cap on just like a real rda.. it also vapes like a dream.. the air flow is super smooth. I honestly don't think they could have designed it any better. the down side is you can't use your own 510 drip tip but a Kennedy drip tip or griffin trip tip fits just fine. all three give really good flavor so for flavor anyone is good. Also I forgot to mention everyone says that the wicking on these jenny style rdtas are lacking.. i seriously don't have a glue what they are talking about for i chain vape like a mad man and I have never had a dry hit from any of them.. they all keep up like champs.. you just need to wick it properly and really wicking them properly is super easy.
Now I don't own the griffin but I did a lot of research before i chose between the boreas and the griffin and even made a post asking everyone what the best one was and everyone pretty much said the boreas. so i bought it and couldn't be happier.. also vapes like a dream.. but i really don't have the other ones to compare it to so i can't say for sure.
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That does it, I am just going to order the Avocado 24. Awesome info again folks. 99
I just got done looking at that can get both the boreas and avocado. They are cheap!?
Yeah, wick a genny wrong and it'll be a pain, but do it right and there are no wicking issues, you just have to make sure to flip/tilt it so juice can get in contact, not a big deal.
The one thing about them though is I find they heat up faster than my RDA/RTAs, but not a huge deal. Reason I like the Avocado is I have experience with my 22mm and the only real complaint I have is filling, but the 24mm fixes that. I just really like my own drip tips, which is why I didn't pick up a Limitless.
I guess being able to use your own drip tips is a pretty big deal for most.. I actually bought the kennedy drip tip when i ordered it cause i feared i wouldn't like it.. but i actually prefer their attachment over the kennedy drip tip. to each their own i guess.
So the boreas and the avocado are both genny ?
Naw the Boreas is an RTA, just a really really good one.
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No
RDTA has top coils and the juice goes below them....RTA has bottom coils and the juice goes above them
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Untrue, RDTA's also have bottom decks like the Boreas and Aromamizer. The first RDTA was the Big Dripper and it was a bottom deck. You're speaking of genesis style tanks.
The Limitless is by far the best genesis style tank I've used, it can eat up large coil builds, it's easy to fill and build on, the wicking is simple, the only downside is how quickly it burns through the juice due to the low capacity it has.
The Boreas is the best RDTA style non-genesis tank I've used, the 17mm deck is pretty big and allows some pretty nice builds, you've got quite a bit of airflow, top and bottom filling, a very good capacity and it's overall pretty functional.
The Griffin 25mm and the Herakles RTA-2 are the best regular 25mm RTA style tanks I've used, if you like clouds more, go RTA-2, if you like flavor more, go Griffin 25.
The Merlin is the best single coil style RTA I've used, it also has really good flavor.
For regular dual coil 22mm RTA's, I'd recommend either the Alleria or the Bellus.
The Limitless is by far the best genesis style tank I've used, it can eat up large coil builds, it's easy to fill and build on, the wicking is simple, the only downside is how quickly it burns through the juice due to the low capacity it has.
The Boreas is the best RDTA style non-genesis tank I've used, the 17mm deck is pretty big and allows some pretty nice builds, you've got quite a bit of airflow, top and bottom filling, a very good capacity and it's overall pretty functional.
The Griffin 25mm and the Herakles RTA-2 are the best regular 25mm RTA style tanks I've used, if you like clouds more, go RTA-2, if you like flavor more, go Griffin 25.
The Merlin is the best single coil style RTA I've used, it also has really good flavor.
For regular dual coil 22mm RTA's, I'd recommend either the Alleria or the Bellus.
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Link to the Boreas page says it is a RTA
I'm going to go with what the people that designed it are calling it
I'm going to go with what the people that designed it are calling it
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Then there's countless websites calling it an RDTA.
What makes it an RDTA is the fact it takes air in through the sides which hits the coil directly and has wicking holes in the deck well that 'drips' the wicks for you, unlike taking air in from the bottom and wicking through channels. Not to mention it uses the same deck design as the Aromamizer, the RDTA poster child.
It's an RDTA, if UD made a dripper and called it an RTA, I still wouldn't call it an RTA, I'd call it what it is, an RDA.
I think the entire connotation behind the term RDTA is bullshit, because there is no reason to drip when you have a tank feeding the wicks juice. So the entire term RDTA is just wrong, because you're not dripping at all. Never-the-less, it's still an accepted product class that exists, and the Boreas falls into it. So it's an RDTA.
The Big Dripper was a true RDTA because it had a tank and a spring mechanism you pressed to drip juice from the tank into the deck, and then there was another tank I know of that had the same mechanism.
What makes it an RDTA is the fact it takes air in through the sides which hits the coil directly and has wicking holes in the deck well that 'drips' the wicks for you, unlike taking air in from the bottom and wicking through channels. Not to mention it uses the same deck design as the Aromamizer, the RDTA poster child.
It's an RDTA, if UD made a dripper and called it an RTA, I still wouldn't call it an RTA, I'd call it what it is, an RDA.
I think the entire connotation behind the term RDTA is bullshit, because there is no reason to drip when you have a tank feeding the wicks juice. So the entire term RDTA is just wrong, because you're not dripping at all. Never-the-less, it's still an accepted product class that exists, and the Boreas falls into it. So it's an RDTA.
The Big Dripper was a true RDTA because it had a tank and a spring mechanism you pressed to drip juice from the tank into the deck, and then there was another tank I know of that had the same mechanism.
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Genesis style isn't really an acronym, and genesis still rebuildable tanks have been around since the dawn of enthusiast vaping.
Considering the only real contender in the top coil department are genesis tanks, I think we should keep calling them genesis style tanks because there's not any other kind of rebuildable out there using the top deck design.
I usually just call them rebuildable tanks. I think stating the fact that they're all atomizers is kind of obvious and therefore redundant, but three letters is shorter than two words I suppose.
Considering the only real contender in the top coil department are genesis tanks, I think we should keep calling them genesis style tanks because there's not any other kind of rebuildable out there using the top deck design.
I usually just call them rebuildable tanks. I think stating the fact that they're all atomizers is kind of obvious and therefore redundant, but three letters is shorter than two words I suppose.
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Those are genesis style tanks.
My point was, the only top deck tanks out are genesis style, but there's several different styles of bottom deck tanks. When you say top coil or top deck, the only thing your mind can really go to are genesis style tanks, but when you say bottom coil or bottom deck, there's multiple different designs. Therefore the distinction isn't a very good one to use.
Modern genesis style tanks:
Haze DT
Avocado
Avocado 24mm
Fodi
Velocity RTA
Limitless
Theorem
My point was, the only top deck tanks out are genesis style, but there's several different styles of bottom deck tanks. When you say top coil or top deck, the only thing your mind can really go to are genesis style tanks, but when you say bottom coil or bottom deck, there's multiple different designs. Therefore the distinction isn't a very good one to use.
Modern genesis style tanks:
Haze DT
Avocado
Avocado 24mm
Fodi
Velocity RTA
Limitless
Theorem
Much easier, or should be. You have a 24mm deck with a Velocity style post setup... it doesn't get easier than that.
Ehh I don't see that big of a difference between the various RTAs, sure the side airflow thing is nice, but I don't see it as requiring new terminology. I think there's more difference between classic Genny's and new Genny's than there is between the RTAs. But, my complaint has always been that RDTA simply refers to too many things, or that it's used to describe too many things such that it's lost it's meaning. If I can call all the modern Genesis style tanks gennys and people would understand, cool. I just hate typing that whole phrase because there is no acceptable shorthand.
I still see the Boreas as just a big beefy badass RTA.
I wasnt going to say anything. But I think this is worthy of commenting on. I have not gotten my Boreas yet. But I did pick up the Avocado 24 and this is BY FAR the best tasting atomizer I have ever tasted. Yes, better than any of the 15 RDA's I have and miles from the taste of any tank. I am running single coil, fused Clapton, spaced. I was literally trying to get the just to spill out to no avail. Im blown away here.
no the boreas is a bottom feed tank design.. the boreas
Yes these genny style tanks are pretty tasty.. loving the flavor of all my genny tanks as well.. you will find your going to stop using your other tanks.. go get the boreas and those two will be your two favorite tanks.. just make sure you have a mod that will fit the boreas 25mm diameter
You will not be disappointed, I have 2 and another on the way, my only tip is to be mindful when wicking and try to wick every 4-5 days to keep it leak proof, once I get a little leaking I know it's time to switch cotton. EnjoyRight on. I am really impressed. Boreas just ordered and on its way
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Shouldn't matter, put a Clapton coil and make sure your wicks are setup right and all the juice flows without blockage, the best part of a Genny is you get to feed your juice to the wicks just by tilting it
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Anything works fine, with thicker juices you just might have to tilt/flip more often. If you notice it being a little light though you can always pull the top off and drip on it to give a nice few puffs (I love doing this even if it's vaping fine without doing it).
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If you like the Avocado 24, I highly recommend you try the Limitless. There's a ton more airflow on the Limitless and since the air slots are wider, you get full air-to-coil efficiency. The Avocado 24mm doesn't get air to 100% of the coil unless it's a small build because the slots aren't very wide, there's also seemingly less spitback on the Limitless as well. I'm not a big fan of the Avocado, but god I love my Limitless, it's my #1 topper device right now.
The Boreas is probably the better RDTA/Bottom deck style tank out there at the moment, it has flavor, clouds, tons of airflow, a lot of capacity, a good sized deck, juice flow control, two decks, the whole farm is included on options.
When it comes to Genesis tanks, ratios don't really matter. You could go as thin as 100% PG or as thick as 100% VG (like as in either just pure PG or pure VG in the tank, nothing else) and it would still vape because there's no juice channels, it's wicking similar to an RDA with a flooded juice channel. Only the juice channel is instead a tank.
The Boreas is probably the better RDTA/Bottom deck style tank out there at the moment, it has flavor, clouds, tons of airflow, a lot of capacity, a good sized deck, juice flow control, two decks, the whole farm is included on options.
When it comes to Genesis tanks, ratios don't really matter. You could go as thin as 100% PG or as thick as 100% VG (like as in either just pure PG or pure VG in the tank, nothing else) and it would still vape because there's no juice channels, it's wicking similar to an RDA with a flooded juice channel. Only the juice channel is instead a tank.
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Agreed, limitless is my all time favorite and I have the avocado 24 and the limitless.. I still use both but I use the limitless a lot more.. the thing is a beast and so easy to setup and wick.. Filling is a dream as well.. though not with a dropper... But people more often buy the avocaado over the limitless.. maybe cause of the 510 drip tip or maybe cause of the ability to do single coil.. I don't know but I don't think they could have designed the limitless any better.. love it..
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The Limitless is not perfect, I wish it was more adjustable in terms of airflow, but other than that it does what it's supposed to do VERY well. It basically took a cloud chasing RDA (yet one that still gives awesome flavor) and turned it into a kick ass tank.
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Sorry not following.. it does have adjustable airflow. I am probably not understanding what you are saying..
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I know, I meant MORE adjustable, my mind left that word out. As it is, even minor adjustments block off a lot more than I'd like them to.
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Nah while the Griffin is an excellent RTA, my partners in crime are the Boreas and the Modfather
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I'm with you on the Boreas............the Modfather mumbles too much.....Nah while the Griffin is an excellent RTA, my partners in crime are the Boreas and the Modfather
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Oh but it's such a beautiful BEAST!I'm with you on the Boreas............the Modfather mumbles too much.....
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