Which one to buy? Elef iKonn+ello, sigelei kaos, predator, ipv vesta

[iMohamedOsama]

hello guys i really need some help
i have iStick pico but i want to buy another mod
so i'm confused between these mods

• Sigelei Kaos
  
• Eleaf iKonn with Ello tank
• Wismec Predator
• Pioneer4you iPV Vesta

so please help which on of these mods is better and don't have problems

 

[JuicyLucy]

Hey Dude,

I don't know a lot about the mods you mention, except for the Wismec Predator

Would avoid that one, or all mods make by Wismec at this point

Wismec has the worst 510 threads in the industry hands down, they are famous for being wobbly

Wismec also has one, the exo, that is catching on fire on some folks

Good luck with your search!

 

[Kinkyvapurrr]

Agreed, I bought a predator in May it died in June.. and I'm not a high watts vaper or chain vape .. one day I changed battery's and never came on again, I was pissed!

 

[MWorthington]

None of the above. Get a Smoant Charon, or Battlestar.

 

[cloudblast]

I second the battle star. Amazing build quality. Magnetic battery door. Not like a smok alien or sigelei kaos. Thos old camera battery doors drive me NUTS. Not a good design for any mod maker. Idk why they keep making them like that. Its compact. It has amazing battery venting. Great price. 50 bucks canadian. Dont get the kaos. Tried it, hated it. Wismec threads are garbage. I seent it myself.

battlestar also comes in many colours and metallic finishes. All really nice.

oh and by the way... battlestar.

 

[MWorthington]

If there is an official "Mod Of The Year" award, I think it should go to the Battlestar and here's why...

Being disabled, I have plenty of time and not much else to do besides read VU forum posts. I read about all kinds of problems with all kinds of gear. I can count on one hand the number of incidents I've read about problems with the Battlestar on this or any other forum.

Now, obviously I can't and don't read every post made everywhere, but I probably read more than most folks who have jobs and what not. The Battlestar just does NOT come up in conversation unless it's somebody asking about it or somebody else recommending it.

The only reason I don't have 2 or 3 of them right now is because I'm concentrating on building up my atty stash right now. I keep saying to myself "This month I'm getting the mod" and end up buying tools, DIY supplies, or another atty. It took me 6 months to be able to get my Hohmwrecker so I'll get a Battlestar before long. Then it's the Charon next after that. Then I don't know yet. Maybe the Geekvape Mech Pro after they get the bugs worked out of the magnetic side panels.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

 

[cloudblast]

^ i hear the charon isnt as good, so why not get a second battlestar so your first battlestar isnt lonely? If my eleaf ipower 80w last a long time i would replace it with the exact same one only because it works well and is really compact. That goes double for the battlestar

 

[Kinkyvapurrr]

I decided on an Ego one 2300 mah today.. I cannot ignore all the great reviews and if you go to Fast Tech you can see the many different versions of this model and the 5+ before and after that differ very little but imo it that site gives you the most options of every device you choose if you click the box before putting it in your cart you have choices up the wazooo and models USA/ and EURO I wasn't aware of prior and if you go to the bottom of each page of each device it'll give you the date they started showing it and that helps me decide out of all these choices of models that it's not as overwhelming as it seems and they're mostly just different colors and the different models I almost always want the newest. I went looking for just the Ego one earlier and , wow, there are a lot, but I think I found one I'm not sure I've seen offered here and I wouldn't have known any better had I not decided to look at Fast Tech. Not sure why it wasn't my first choice because I do love that site! I hope I explained that in a way that made sense like it is in my mind, lol.. ( text and perception.. uugh) .. oh I have 2 regulated mods currently, derringer clones for flavor testing, I'm not the greatest coil builder but I get 'er done, I haven't found a tank I'm really impressed w yet. I like the dripping but don't feel like I've found the sweet spot there as far as the correct build + Atty + mod and I've put so much $ into this money saving adventure that I've decided I'm probably NEVER gonna be that coil master gal or not anytime soon so the moral of this story is...(p I'm going to stop trying to be someone I'm not and listen to these other ppl like me that get what they need out of this device and ....( drum roll plzzz ..haaa. ). It's very inexpensive and uses a fraction of what a dripper uses! Duh!! I'm a simple gal, and I've crammed more information I never thought I'd ever need to know learn in a relatively short amount of time and there's soooo much more I need to learn but I don't have to learn it all now. I'm proud of how far I've come and everything I learned from literally ecigs 101 to flavors 101, chemistry, culinary, anatomy, battery laws and ohms and volts and watts and coils and kanthal and son of a bitch I just wanted to make my own juice are you fucking kidding me I need to know what pg/vg is too??! But, I've thoroughly enjoyed it and got consumed with it and for many months I ate, drank and slept and dreamt all things diy ejuice.. I don't know how many of you can relate? Haaa, most im sure. But, now, I think without someone to show me in person I've learned as much as is necessary and now I'll focus on the juice part that I easily allowed it to take a back seat because of all the work I know needs done if I'm ever going to put into practice everything I learned and not have it all been for naught but that's also ALOT OF WORK, lol, with no instant payoff that's not easy to tell myself to be excited and eager to tackle that daunting task of single flavor testing my close to 200 flavors.. which brings me full circle to why I spent so much time looking at new mods and Atty's!
p.s. I have been looking at the seigel khaos, or spectrum? I think, and battlestar has been suggested but I kind of agree that there's not a lot of other info. What I really think I want but won't get unless I find one at a yard sale or something, lol, but I'd like a dot mot? Dot com? Dot mode? I'm sure u know of the one I speak ... anyway, I like the looks of that one and I liked a few review I saw but they're not at all affordable for my diy ejuice budget.. ($200 ish) pffft! Give me a $10 clone and I'm good, haaa! They have some great clones on Fast Tech also if interested.. I've said far more than enough and I'll probably get banned for hoggin up the thread or something..hope not but I understand if I do.
p.s.s. I'm a menthol smoker of 37 yrs and vaping off n on now 3+ yrs but not as committed as 2 years.ago when I got my first kanger mod kit... . I've had a cig here and there but only when I'm around another smoker and it tastes so disgusting they're few and far between. Yay me! Point is, I'm not at all a advocate of Kanger. They're customer service blows, they're product quality is less than average, But- they're cheap and user friendly enough and everywhere u look and so mass produced chances are you might have bought one too and for the price as long as it lasts or doesn't can't complain. They might even have some good devices but I hope I never buy another. Or another Smok... I honestly didn't want to buy an ijoy either but Ijoy is manufactured here in the USA so I wish I would've bought 1 a long time ago now lol.. for some reason I had it in my head they were Chinese darn it! Haaaa Duh, duh, duhduhduhduh Ijoy Dumbass me! Oh well, doesn't matter how you get there as long as you do!

 

[MWorthington]

^ i hear the charon isnt as good, so why not get a second battlestar so your first battlestar isnt lonely? If my eleaf ipower 80w last a long time i would replace it with the exact same one only because it works well and is really compact. That goes double for the battlestar

From what I've been told by 2 members/owners of the Charon, the tc isn't hardly as good as the battlestar but it's still a good mod. I really like the looks of it probably better than anything else on the market right now. The only other mod I like as well looks wise, is the Lost Vape Finder, and I'm not about to pay $150 for a mod.

It'll be a good while before I'm able to get anything as I have to save up, and the Battlestar is gonna be the next mod I buy, period. And yes, I agree about having more than one of 'em. I wish I had been able to get another G2 also because the one I have barely gets a break.

 

[cloudblast]

To kinkyvapurr

if you want help with DIY ejuice i can help you out, sooo much easier that it sounds the hard part is the steeping proccess because waiting to vape your exciting delicious creations is like a kid 2 weeks b4 xmas. As for a tank, i will always suggest the uwell crown 1. Amazing build, no plastic parts, very customizable, and you can rebuild the stock coils which are very cheap to buy to begin with. As for a great cheap box mod, the eleaf istick ipower 80w 5000mah is amazing, dont need to fiddle with batteries and it last all day if your a horny dragon cloud blaster, or in your case a kinky dragon lol. But the battlestar is 100% the best dual 18650 imho. Unless you want a bunch of crazy useless extra features. Then youll sacrafice durability and build quality for a sigelei. I want a sigelei but cant commit to the lack of build quality.

again, any qns just pm me

 

[cloudblast]

P.s. The cost of diy ejuice is about $1-$2 per 30ml. Which beats 15-30 bucks for 30ml all day long

 

[MWorthington]

To go along with what Cloudblast said, I vape menthol 99.99% of the time. I bought a 4 oz bottle of FlavorWest menthol flavoring for $4.50, a 1 liter bottle of VG for about $12.50, and a 225ml bottle of PG for $4.25 and I'll be able to vape that for probably 3 months easy. If I bought gallons of VG and PG, the cost per ml would be even less.

DIY isn't hard. I've found some recipes in the DIY section that sounds good to me so later on I'll buy just the flavors it takes for those recipes, but so far I don't care that much for flavors. I'm content with my menthol juice most of the time.

 

[Kinkyvapurrr]

To go along with what Cloudblast said, I vape menthol 99.99% of the time. I bought a 4 oz bottle of FlavorWest menthol flavoring for $4.50, a 1 liter bottle of VG for about $12.50, and a 225ml bottle of PG for $4.25 and I'll be able to vape that for probably 3 months easy. If I bought gallons of VG and PG, the cost per ml would be even less.

DIY isn't hard. I've found some recipes in the DIY section that sounds good to me so later on I'll buy just the flavors it takes for those recipes, but so far I don't care that much for flavors. I'm content with my menthol juice most of the time.

To kinkyvapurr

if you want help with DIY ejuice i can help you out, sooo much easier that it sounds the hard part is the steeping proccess because waiting to vape your exciting delicious creations is like a kid 2 weeks b4 xmas. As for a tank, i will always suggest the uwell crown 1. Amazing build, no plastic parts, very customizable, and you can rebuild the stock coils which are very cheap to buy to begin with. As for a great cheap box mod, the eleaf istick ipower 80w 5000mah is amazing, dont need to fiddle with batteries and it last all day if your a horny dragon cloud blaster, or in your case a kinky dragon lol. But the battlestar is 100% the best dual 18650 imho. Unless you want a bunch of crazy useless extra features. Then youll sacrafice durability and build quality for a sigelei. I want a sigelei but cant commit to the lack of build quality.

again, any qns just pm me

I've found my new unit. Thought the Kayfun was out of my price range but the clones get Great reviews and clone prices. What are your thoughts on the Kayfun? A mod is a mod has become my thoughts on that. A dual battery is preferred for performance so as long as it's well built and no buttons on the side that accidentally get pushed constantly, in fact maybe one that locks your controls is nice, but I learn so much every single day and I have a lot of aha moments lately and it's not necessary to spend a bunch of money on two mods that pretty much do the same thing but one just costs so much more for no good reason other than bcuz some ppl have more $ than good sense, haa, but that's ok too makes the world go around. But, me personally, my search is still for the perfect Atty, tank, Rta/bcdefghijklmnop ... and I have nothing against Chinese products hope I didn't offend anyone, they make some great clones, so I'm reading your reply and we say same thing, lol.. I agree totally, if you're u say battlestar good I'm w ya! I have 2 single battery units right now and I've seen the battle star for $40 ish.. think I could even find it for less and that's money well spent then imo..
I do need help w my juice.. the only imo smart thing I've done so far is make a 4.5% vc1 base of 100ml to have ready in a few weeks, for what not sure but sounded like a darn good idea at the time, haaa! The thought of getting out 4-5 10ml bottles w 1 drop? 2,3,4? And taking notes on that now and every day for 2 weeks? Only to have 2-3 %'s w and w/o nic... I understand the importance of taking notes and I'm willing to put in the work required but seems like I'm missing something somewhere and it can't possibly be that hard and for me not something that seems doable anymore. Thought I knew how I planned to do this but I really do need help. It's very hard for me to ask for anything from anyone so thank you everyone that's offered and has helped it's such a great community of ppl! If you can help direct me on the easiest way to get my flavors tasted so I can can start making my own recipes and stop buying more to make someone else's that would fill and big piece of this ejuice puzzle for me.. I was just about to order 5 more sample packs from Ooo and 6-7 of their desserts lol.. I kinda trust their reviews, you? Here's the thing though, when I didn't know better I bought the banana pack and their orange pack and creams pack and have yet to use any of it! But, now I feel like I know better and I need pretty much all the rest lmao ..... 25% off and they price match vg/pg ..AND, their sample packs end up good price after all discounts AND a free juice every order, divide it in several orders get all the free juices AND they send like 2 good size other free samples with every order. Win win! Don't ya think? Lol

 

[MWorthington]

I've never used a kayfun so I can't comment on that.

Making your own juice recipes. Hmmmm, I've seen it written, and it makes sense that juice recipes are just like dinner recipes to an extent. When you're making a roast, you have an idea what the beef tastes like. You know what's gonna happen when you add salt and pepper. How is adding celery and bell pepper gonna affect the final outcome? Parsely? Thyme? Garlic and onion?

In principle at least, juice making is the same way. You have your base "meat" if you will, say, a cheesecake. Now you don't want just a plain cheesecake, you want a strawberry cheesecake so how do you get that? You add strawberry of course, but how much? And which one? The only way to ever know is by trying each iteration to know which one gives the taste you want. Knowing what your flavors taste like standalone will give you an idea of how they taste when added to a recipe.

Cooking and juice making aren't hard, but being a chef or a mixologist requires a lot of work and experimentation. HIC, who hangs out in the DIY section is such a person. Now he pretty much restricts himself to FlavourArt flavors for the most part, but I guarantee he can tell you every little nuance of just about any flavor he uses because he's worked with them so much.

That's why I said find a recipe or 2 you like the sound of and get those flavors. Mix em up and if it's too strong, or not strong enough, adjust accordingly. When you go to cooking school you don't start out on the first day creating recipes. You begin by learning proper use of the tools and ingredients. After you master the chef's recipes, then you have the background and the means to create your own. Juice mixing really isn't any different.

So, don't stress over it, and don't get overwhelmed over nothing. There are plenty of really good recipes in the DIY section and if that's not enough, the internet is full of them. Once you can walk, running isn't far behind.

I sincerely hope this helps you some, and I hope you take it in the spirit it was offered - not to discourage you, but to give you a starting point which, unless I grossly misunderstood you, was what you were looking for.

And one last thing, these comments are simply my take on it, and not necessarily that of VU forum.

 

[cloudblast]

Never. Buy. Clones.

i have a background in electronics and circuitry. You dont want cheap components on a board or even worse, cheap wiring. Etc. Etc. Remember that dual 18650 batteries are very dangerous without giving them proper respect. Save up and get a real one or buy something with a built in battery

 

[MWorthington]

Never. Buy. Clones.

i have a background in electronics and circuitry. You dont want cheap components on a board or even worse, cheap wiring. Etc. Etc. Remember that dual 18650 batteries are very dangerous without giving them proper respect. Save up and get a real one or buy something with a built in battery

I've got a background in electronics too, and I wouldn't hesitate to buy a clone. I WOULD do research on forums and message boards and such before buying to see what, if any, owners comments were. That being said, I would never buy any Wismec product simply based on all the threads I've read here on this forum. Cheap components and cheap wiring abound.

I don't have a problem with buying a mod with a built in battery, but I understand going in that when the battery dies the mod is essentially dead as well. Built in batteries are nice for convenience but for longevity, replaceable batteries are best.

As far as attys goes, I would never buy a high priced atty - over $30 - without trying a clone first. I recently got a clone of the Reload rta, and I like it well enough I can see buying the authentic. Before that, I bought the Innokin Eurus rda which isn't a clone of the Desire MadDog, per se, but made by the same people at Desire in a collaboration with Innokin. It was about half the price of the MadDog. After putting a build on it and vaping it, I'm glad I didn't buy the original.

 

[Kinkyvapurrr]

Great points I agree totally! My stupid Wismec predator died a month after I got it when I put new batteries. No more Wismec for me either. The Atty is ok I guess. Nothing special. Works still lol..

Buy built in batteries really? I trust you because you have an electronic background, me I know squat about it. But, I too was concerned about the batteries being the cause of my predator not working because that's when it died and I immediately contacted Pegasus, where I just bought them and that was their very first use and after a very lengthy back n forth it was finally told to me this way.. ( an analogy I could understand since ohms and all that shit I don't get ), I was told think of the battery's like the tires on the car. They just help it drive but have nothing to do w the engine that makes the car roll.. to me that made sense so I accepted it and just decided it was a huge coincidence my mod worked until I put the new batteries in because I contacted them prior to me using the batteries concerned I ordered the wrong ones for my dual mod. I was assured it wouldn't matter and that wasn't possible so being that's all they sell besides a stray Atty here n there batteries are their thing, I believed them. He's got some great utube vids as well.. wasn't same guy that does vids I emailed w but she sounded like she knew what she was talking about. But, now you tell me danger danger.. why?

 

[Kinkyvapurrr]

I understand, a real mod, ya I was talking about clone Atty's but I never thought about the wiring on clone mods but that makes perfect sense. I will definitely take that advice tyvm!

 

[MWorthington]

I'd say the batteries are more like the gas in the tank. Your car won't run without gas, and your mod won't run without batteries. The electricity supplied by the batteries is your "fuel" for the mod in a sense.

What brand of batteries did you buy? Conventional wisdom on here dictates to only use Samsung, Sony, or LG from either llion wholsale, illumn.com, or IMR batteries because they do constant checks to prevent from selling fakes which I guess do show up from time to time. I don't have personal knowledge of this, but I have read it on here a lot. Me, I just use Samsung 25Rs from llion wholesale so I don't have to worry about that aspect.

Now...

Did the mod die the instant you put in the new batteries, or within a day or so? In my OPINION, the mod was about most likely about to die anyway, and the surge from new batteries pushed it over the edge, but maybe not. It's hard to say.

Don't be afraid of separate batteries. They're completely safe. Just don't carry them loose with a bunch of metal objects. Do make sure to keep the wraps on the outside of em in good shape. Any cuts or tears in em, they need to be re-wrapped. SirRichardRear has a tutorial in the battery section if you need to know how to re-wrap batteries in the future.

 

[Kinkyvapurrr]

I'd say the batteries are more like the gas in the tank. Your car won't run without gas, and your mod won't run without batteries. The electricity supplied by the batteries is your "fuel" for the mod in a sense.

What brand of batteries did you buy? Conventional wisdom on here dictates to only use Samsung, Sony, or LG from either llion wholsale, illumn.com, or IMR batteries because they do constant checks to prevent from selling fakes which I guess do show up from time to time. I don't have personal knowledge of this, but I have read it on here a lot. Me, I just use Samsung 25Rs from llion wholesale so I don't have to worry about that aspect.

Now...

Did the mod die the instant you put in the new batteries, or within a day or so? In my OPINION, the mod was about most likely about to die anyway, and the surge from new batteries pushed it over the edge, but maybe not. It's hard to say.

Don't be afraid of separate batteries. They're completely safe. Just don't carry them loose with a bunch of metal objects. Do make sure to keep the wraps on the outside of em in good shape. Any cuts or tears in em, they need to be re-wrapped. SirRichardRear has a tutorial in the battery section if you need to know how to re-wrap batteries in the future.

After talking to the battery ppl I was convinced it wasn't the batteries but the mod died immediately putting the new batteries in, I took the ones out needing charged and put the new ones in and it never showed life again.. I admittedly don't understand ohm law and voltage and watts or much about electronics but I've done a lot of research on what I can get my hands on and comprehend and I've got what I feel is necessary to keep me safe down pat I hope, lol.. I have battery wraps and now I know about battery bleeding and how and where to store them and charge them. Why my mod died..? Just won't buy another Wismec..

Don't know why you don't like my tires analogy? Lol... with your analogy my car ain't moving cuz there's no tires silly..