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Cambridge, Mass. (CBS CONNECTICUT) – NASA predicts that 100 million worlds in our own Milky Way galaxy may host alien life, and space program scientists estimate that humans will be able to find life within two decades.

Speaking at NASA’s Washington headquarters on Monday, the space agency outlined a plan to search for alien life using current telescope technology, and announced the launch of the Transiting Exoplanet Surveying Satellite in 2017. The NASA administrators and scientists estimate that humans will be able to locate alien life within the next 20 years.

“Just imagine the moment, when we find potential signatures of life. Imagine the moment when the world wakes up and the human race realizes that its long loneliness in time and space may be over — the possibility we’re no longer alone in the universe,” said Matt Mountain, director and Webb telescope scientist at the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore, which plans to launch the James Webb Space Telescope in 2018.

“What we didn’t know five years ago is that perhaps 10 to 20 per cent of stars around us have Earth-size planets in the habitable zone,” added Mountain. “It’s within our grasp to pull off a discovery that will change the world forever.”

Describing their own estimates as “conservative,” the NASA planet hunters calculate that 100 million worlds within the Milky Way galaxy are able to sustain complex alien life forms. The estimate accounts for the 17 billion Earth-sized worlds scientists believe to be orbiting the galaxy’s 100 billion stars.

The NASA panel says that ground-based and space-based technology – including the Hubble Space Telescope, the Kepler Space Telescope and the Spitzer Space Telescope – will be able to determine the presence of liquid water, an essential sign of potential alien life.

“I think in the next 20 years we will find out we are not alone in the universe,” said NASA astronomer Kevin Hand, who suggested that alien life may exist on Jupiter’s Europa moon.

“Do we believe there is life beyond Earth?” asked former astronaut and NASA Administrator Charles Bolden. “I would venture to say that most of my colleagues here today say it is improbable that in the limitless vastness of the universe we humans stand alone.”

The NASA panel said efforts are focused on finding signs of alien life on planets on other stars outside of our solar system.

“Sometime in the near future, people will be able to point to a star and say, ‘that star has a planet like Earth’,” said Sara Seager, professor of planetary science and physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge, Mass. “Astronomers think it is very likely that every single star in our Milky Way galaxy has at least one planet.”
 

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it's cool and all to go looking for other life on planets and everything but what happens when we find a planet full of elite warriors that just didn't know we existed so left us alone?
 

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They've already been "discovered" however humans as a whole like old fables and use them to guide their lives. Which is why most of us are rubish in some of fashion. If they broke down and told us what technological advances theyve given us at this point in time we couldnt handle it. Also going to use George Carlin"s analogy "why would other life forms want to meet us and be open with us, what are we going to tell the inter galactic counsel when our leaders smack their spouses around or how will we explain why parents kill their children." We need to mature more as a species before we can accept another guarenteed higher intelligent life form. Humans biggest problem is our egos and scared reactions to everything. If its bigger or scary A we flex our dicks to show how much bigger ours is or B we kill it
 

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They've already been "discovered" however humans as a whole like old fables and use them to guide their lives. Which is why most of us are rubish in some of fashion. If they broke down and told us what technological advances theyve given us at this point in time we couldnt handle it.
Surely you're not serious with this assertion, are you?

I mean, i get that we like old fables. Agreed! But there's no evidence at all that we've been visited, much less that we have been gifted alien technologies.
 
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Did nasa get that whole standard/metric thing worked out? They may want to get on that before the 'others' show up.
 

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So, here's the rub: the Drake Equation.

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Basically,
N = the number we're looking for. The amount of intelligent species there are out there. To solve for N, we first must determine the values of the rest of the variables. To quote the Wikipedia article:

R* = the average rate of star formation in our galaxy
fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fl = the fraction of planets that could support life that actually develop life at some point
fi = the fraction of planets with life that actually go on to develop intelligent life (civilizations)
fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time for which such civilizations release detectable signals into space

What this all means is that life could be vanishingly rare, or it could be vaguely abundant. Certainly it is true that it's not on every habitable world, or else there would be some detectable signs.

The most important factor is L. Think about that. That's basically the useful Lifespan of an intelligent, communicative civilization. How long were the Assyrians around? The Babylonians? The Greeks? The Romans? How long will our current civilization last? And, at the end of our age, what comes next?

Remember what Einstein said about World War IV: 'I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones'.

So, given that we've only been sending detectable signals ourselves for a mere century, give or take, in an ocean of unimaginably vast time (13.8 BILLION years), and assuming that we could very well kill ourselves off within the next 100, then 1.44927536e-8 - or roughly 0.0000000145% of the age of the universe. That's a very, very small fraction. (If my math is correct, then to scale it down to fit our tiny imaginations, that would be like one minute of audible talking in about 69 million minutes - 130 long years of silence.) What of the others who may be out there? Have they fared much better? Just how rational are they? Or are they currently in their own Stone Age and not likely to come online for a few thousand years? Or do they have their own endlessly warring factions dedicated to opposing 'gods' just like we do?
 
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Did nasa get that whole standard/metric thing worked out? They may want to get on that before the 'others' show up.
That was Lockheed Martin's fault. Why on Earth (well, certainly not on Mars) they would not have used the metric system is beyond my ability to speculate. In most areas of science, metric IS the standard.
 

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NASA will discover, lol... They have already discovered aliens, explain there spacecraft technologies lol
 

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Surely you're not serious with this assertion, are you?

Why... I see 'em every day, everywhere... Greys, Reptilians,Chupacabras: how do you miss them???



No offense intended to the believers, just joking...
 
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NASA will discover, lol... They have already discovered aliens, explain there spacecraft technologies lol
The entire operating system of the Apollo program could probably run on your phone. Of course, they don't call it 'rocket science' for nothin'. Still, we've just about mastered the craft of flinging people into space within a half century (ok a little more counting Goddard's early experiments). So that space technology of ours is not unthinkably alien. If it were, it would likely be capable of much greater efficiency and speed - think about how much energy and velocity it must take for a spacefaring people to send a probe to our planet. That's a whole lot more than we can currently muster, especially given the astronomical economics of doing such a thing.
 
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I think the first life we find will be plantlike. At best, maybe slugs. Hopefully with wings. And fangs. Too many eyes on horrible, horrible stalks. Maybe some terrifying tentacles, and hey let's make them twenty feet tall while we're at it. But probably not.

At any rate, if we keep looking, we're bound to find something interesting. Or someone. I'd bet that they perceive light and sound at mostly different wavelengths than our own though.
 

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Area51/Roswell NM, all the "Advanced Hi-Tech" spacecraft/technology etc... We can muster much more, than most people can think or dream of! I have a family member, who was stationed near Area51. The stuff he saw is at least 100+yrs ahead of our current 21st Century technology. Most of our military carry of ton of that tech.
 

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Area51/Roswell NM, all the "Advanced Hi-Tech" spacecraft/technology etc... We can muster much more, than most people can think or dream of! I have a family member, who was stationed near Area51. The stuff he saw is at least 100+yrs ahead of our current 21st Century technology. Most of our military carry of ton of that tech.
Really? You're saying that US soldiers are using alien technology? I just want to be clear on this. If that is truly your assertion, can you provide any citations to back that statement up? Any evidence at all? You must understand that people might conceivably have some doubts about this.

And for the record, my grandfather worked on Project Blue Book at WPAFB. Home of "Hangar 18". They shot down more far-fetched UFO conspiracy theories than they ever did flying saucers... by 1:0 ratio.
 

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Really? You're saying that US soldiers are using alien technology? I just want to be clear on this. If that is truly your assertion, can you provide any citations to back that statement up? Any evidence at all? You must understand that people might conceivably have some doubts about this.

And for the record, my grandfather worked on Project Blue Book at WPAFB. Home of "Hangar 18". They shot down more far-fetched UFO conspiracy theories than they ever did flying saucers... by 1:0 ratio.
Yes we have continue to utilize random upgrades to shit unimaginable look at our new night vision, shit look at the A-Bomb because a human made version wouldnt have been as precise/controllable. But i stand firm on my assertions i mentioned earlier. Thank you for you assertions as well i see your green beret keyboard skills and ideaology are no match for anyone else
 

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Yes we have continue to utilize random upgrades to shit unimaginable look at our new night vision, shit look at the A-Bomb because a human made version wouldnt have been as precise/controllable. But i stand firm on my assertions i mentioned earlier. Thank you for you assertions as well i see your green beret keyboard skills and ideaology are no match for anyone else
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” – Christopher Hitchens.
 

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Well, i awoke today to realize that our govt does not tell us everything, and i think there is a bit of truth to all sides of this argument.
 

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i remember when i was a kid, spaceships and alien sightings were a huge thing. of course, many of them were debunked but many weren't. but now that we live in an age where virtually everyone walks around with a camera (cell phones), you would think if alien visitors actually existed, someone would have gotten a decent photo of one by now!

(same goes for bigfoot)
 
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The United States Government.

Think about it.

No sane human would act like these asshats.

No doubt their main base in the solar system is Uranus.

Sorry, just had to get that out of my system:p
 
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Now that I have the BS and Crapola out of my system for the moment.

I tend to agree with Dr. Seven Hawking.

Taking a peek at the universe to see what is going on is a good thing in my book.

Sending smoke signals to an alien species saying "Her We Are" could be a very bad thing if they have the technology and decide to stop by to pick up an order of pizza and discover we don't have the technology to deliver it in 30 light-years or less.

Remember what happened when we came to say "Howdie" to the American Indians?

Sorry, Native Americans.

How Freaking Crude of Me.

And not to leave slavery out of the mix.
 

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Well, i awoke today to realize that our govt does not tell us everything, and i think there is a bit of truth to all sides of this argument.
No. There isn't. There is useless fantastic conjecture on the one, and the other couldn't possibly prove a negative because it is literally impossible. Just like with god. Anyone can say there's a magical invisible teapot orbiting the sun; that's clearly impossible to disprove - but also clearly too incredible to believe.

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I should state here that I have personally witnessed a number of unidentified flying objects on at least three occasions years and miles apart. The number of those which I believe to be extraterrestrial in origin is precisely zero.

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Well Jeremy… You certainly are opinionated… I'll give ya that! LOL!!
 

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Opinionated like crazy lol. But either it's me, or I'm just tired! Sounds to me, like he trusts the people "who work for us" a little too much!!
 

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"Opinionated"? Is the sun made out of hot dogs? If i said CLEARLY IT IS NOT, would you say that was my opinion?

For fuck's sake. It takes literally no stretch of the imagination at all to come to the entirely rational conclusion that if something seems outlandish and far-fetched, it most likely could not stand up to scrutiny. All the more so when one repeatedly asks for evidence of any kind and is met with a virtually unlimited lack thereof. Just any rudimentary shred of proof is all it would take.

One thing i can assure you is that everything under the sun is explainable, given enough data. Where is there any concerning the claims that fucking little green men have visited, are among us as we speak, or have traded technologies with humanity?

I am asking you to show me literally anything in the world that you believe might give me pause here. Literally anything you think might actually be worth further study.

Amaze and impress us all.


 

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Everyone has their own beliefs etc... I have my own! I have forgotten what many people would love to know! o_O
 

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Wait. Who said green?

But. You wanna talk imagination just think of those poor bastards spending their lives trying to prove evolution. All these years and it's still a theory. But that's another topic all together.

Little green men?? Maybe. I'm not so arrogant to believe I know everything. Anything is possible. Science is just mankind trying to understand. Their best guess at the time if you will. Once new things are discovered science changes. So it is what it is. Opinion.


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Wait. Who said green?

But. You wanna talk imagination just think of those poor bastards spending their lives trying to prove evolution. All these years and it's still a theory. But that's another topic all together.

Little green men?? Maybe. I'm not so arrogant to believe I know everything. Anything is possible. Science is just mankind trying to understand. Their best guess at the time if you will. Once new things are discovered science changes. So it is what it is. Opinion.


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Oh right. Like gravity is "just a theory". Got it.

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Actually it is. People still to this day discuss whether it is a push or a pull. Yes it is there. Just like water air and the sun but is still theoretically discussed.

It's ok to attempt to belittle me and my opinion to make yourself feel superior. I get it. Just saying things we don't understand are still possible even if not proven.

Remember. The world used to be flat.


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"Opinionated"? Is the sun made out of hot dogs? If i said CLEARLY IT IS NOT, would you say that was my opinion?

For fuck's sake. It takes literally no stretch of the imagination at all to come to the entirely rational conclusion that if something seems outlandish and far-fetched, it most likely could not stand up to scrutiny. All the more so when one repeatedly asks for evidence of any kind and is met with a virtually unlimited lack thereof. Just any rudimentary shred of proof is all it would take.

One thing i can assure you is that everything under the sun is explainable, given enough data. Where is there any concerning the claims that fucking little green men have visited, are among us as we speak, or have traded technologies with humanity?

I am asking you to show me literally anything in the world that you believe might give me pause here. Literally anything you think might actually be worth further study.

Amaze and impress us all.



Well what about things above the sun what category do they fall into all knowing one?
 

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I'm sorry. What evidence?

To make your point you should say "look at the lack of evidence". Or did I miss something? Like gravity possibly? Lol

This is fun.


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I'm sorry. What evidence?

To make your point you should say "look at the lack of evidence". Or did I miss something? Like gravity possibly? Lol

This is fun.
You are suggesting that gravity is perhaps not real after all. Is that correct? Because i can't think of anything in the world which might be acceptable evidence of gravity to a person who believes that it is "just a theory" outside of pushing them down some stairs.

On the other hand, if you are getting at the subject of evolution, then look at some fossils. Look at a shitload of fossils. Look at how they change over time. Dinosaurs sprouting feathers and wings and all that.

There really is a ton of evidence if you'd only take an honest fucking look at it.
 

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Awe your swearing… Are U mad bro?

If not then please continue reading…

Gravity… Yeah it exists… I was just pointing out there is still debate on whether it is a push or a pull.

Evolution… Well… Prove it is all I gotta say. Looking at a skull and some feathers don't mean shit to me. SHOW ME EVOLUTION!!! SHOW ME!! Kinda like show me the money.. Ya get it? Do you understand what I am saying??

In ALL of recorded history there is absolutely ZERO proof that evolution exists.. Adaption maybe.. But ZERO for evolution.. So if you can PROVE it or show me a SHRED of real evidence that it exists I'll read everything you have to type about it and give it a good look see. Heck I will even admit it if I am wrong. Which at this point I do not believe I am.

Dinosaurs are dead… D.E.A.D. Dead… Evolution obviously didn't work out for them… LOL!! Which of course they had NONE.. ZERO PROOF.

I like using caps, this is fun.. Maybe in my next post I will bold some words and change their color as well as toss in a couple of fucks for good measure. LOL!!!

Evolution is about as real world as "little green men". Heck if you believe in evolution you should absolutely believe in aliens.
 

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Awe your swearing… Are U mad bro?

If not then please continue reading…

Gravity… Yeah it exists… I was just pointing out there is still debate on whether it is a push or a pull.

Evolution… Well… Prove it is all I gotta say. Looking at a skull and some feathers don't mean shit to me. SHOW ME EVOLUTION!!! SHOW ME!! Kinda like show me the money.. Ya get it? Do you understand what I am saying??

In ALL of recorded history there is absolutely ZERO proof that evolution exists.. Adaption maybe.. But ZERO for evolution.. So if you can PROVE it or show me a SHRED of real evidence that it exists I'll read everything you have to type about it and give it a good look see. Heck I will even admit it if I am wrong. Which at this point I do not believe I am.

Dinosaurs are dead… D.E.A.D. Dead… Evolution obviously didn't work out for them… LOL!! Which of course they had NONE.. ZERO PROOF.

I like using caps, this is fun.. Maybe in my next post I will bold some words and change their color as well as toss in a couple of fucks for good measure. LOL!!!

Evolution is about as real world as "little green men". Heck if you believe in evolution you should absolutely believe in aliens.


Hmm, Lucy, perhaps?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucy_(Australopithecus)
 
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Perhaps. I won't lie. It is compelling and a fantastic find but being that it is alone (nothing else similar found) it could be a fluke. It also brings into question the entire carbon dating issue. Which has been debated at long length before.

It is compelling I'll admit that. But I wouldn't go so far as saying it is proof of evolution. Could just be the remnants of an extinct species that went out with the dinosaurs.

Really hard to know for sure.


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Ah yes… Well sadly I've had a lot of issues with their logic. If you'd like I can get into details about it but I doubt it would be fruitful in the course of this discussion.

Lets just say I don't see "proof" of evolution… Adaption perhaps.. But I don't see any proof of this so called evolution.. I think they blur the lines quite a bit and try very hard to make a compelling case. Still requires a leap of faith and if you have faith you may as well believe in God right? Or at least the possibility.
 

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Awe your swearing… Are U mad bro?

If not then please continue reading…

Gravity… Yeah it exists… I was just pointing out there is still debate on whether it is a push or a pull.

Evolution… Well… Prove it is all I gotta say. Looking at a skull and some feathers don't mean shit to me. SHOW ME EVOLUTION!!! SHOW ME!! Kinda like show me the money.. Ya get it? Do you understand what I am saying??

In ALL of recorded history there is absolutely ZERO proof that evolution exists.. Adaption maybe.. But ZERO for evolution.. So if you can PROVE it or show me a SHRED of real evidence that it exists I'll read everything you have to type about it and give it a good look see. Heck I will even admit it if I am wrong. Which at this point I do not believe I am.

Dinosaurs are dead… D.E.A.D. Dead… Evolution obviously didn't work out for them… LOL!! Which of course they had NONE.. ZERO PROOF.

I like using caps, this is fun.. Maybe in my next post I will bold some words and change their color as well as toss in a couple of fucks for good measure. LOL!!!

Evolution is about as real world as "little green men". Heck if you believe in evolution you should absolutely believe in aliens.
Just in case it wasn't taught to you in bible class, the dinosaurs were wiped out by an impact event which scorched the Earth, blotted out the sun, and made survival unlikely for larger animals. Few organisms can evolve quick enough to escape instant death.

Outside of that, there are animals evolving right now as we speak. Natural selection, "adaption" as you call it, is the mechanism for evolution.

Think about a population of a few thousand red lizards. Thanks to genetic diversity and imperfect gene transmission, babies are born all the time which aren't identical to their parents. Some may be darker; some lighter. Some are faster than their own siblings. Some not so much. These lizards happen to be a tasty treat for the local birds. (By the way, birds very likely evolved from dinosaurs, but i digress.) The ones who can run faster and hide better in the shadows are more likely to survive. Over a few generations, these red lizards become browner and faster as the more fortunate, darker and faster survivors are left to breed. Given a span of thousands of years, they're not incredibly likely to remain exactly the same, especially as their ecosystem adapts along with them and new predators come along to present a different set of challenges. Maybe they sprout gills or wings and become something else, slowly, over many generations.

But most evolution-deniers are primarily concerned with people, so let's just think about some of the ancient fossil hominid skeletons which have been discovered. The earliest ones are smaller, with squatter legs and longer forearms; short, sloped skulls and tracheas which are as primitive as their ape cousins - not yet adapted for speech. They walk slumped over, using their knuckles as much as their feet. As time goes on, their legs clearly get longer and their brains bigger. We know this because we have methods of dating fossils and can compare them with our (in most cases) big brains. They can hunt and organize and draw and make rudimentary tools.

Wait. You've seen the posters, i'm sure of it. What i'm not sure about is why i even have to explain all of this. You had to have learned about it in school, right? Evolution is a widely accepted scientific fact. Was there some alternative theory which you find more plausible somehow?
 

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Man Jeremy… I guess its probably best if we just agree to disagree.. I find your posts slightly anger oriented and I am not sure future discussion with you on this topic would be of use to either of us.

I can quote you and disprove each of your "facts"… And then you can do the same. Each time we will still have our own thoughts of what is right and what is true. So how about we just leave it at that?

Or if this is fun for you we can continue but your gonna have to take the anger back a few notches.
 

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Perhaps. I won't lie. It is compelling and a fantastic find but being that it is alone (nothing else similar found) it could be a fluke. It also brings into question the entire carbon dating issue. Which has been debated at long length before.

It is compelling I'll admit that. But I wouldn't go so far as saying it is proof of evolution. Could just be the remnants of an extinct species that went out with the dinosaurs.

Really hard to know for sure.


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Radiocarbon dating isn't perfect. What it does give us, and what is without question, is a time scale. We may not know the day or month or even year that a given fossil died, but we can tell what epoch within which it resided. We can tell, for example, that fossil A is (for example) twice as old as nearby fossil B, which, when correlated with other known data such as local geological strata, gives us a very solid, albeit general, sense of the time period in which it was around while it was walking and eating stuff and having silly arguments about known facts on the internet with other animals.
 

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Man Jeremy… I guess its probably best if we just agree to disagree.. I find your posts slightly anger oriented and I am not sure future discussion with you on this topic would be of use to either of us.

I can quote you and disprove each of your "facts"… And then you can do the same. Each time we will still have our own thoughts of what is right and what is true. So how about we just leave it at that?

Or if this is fun for you we can continue but your gonna have to take the anger back a few notches.
If you want to know why i am angry, it is because people like you distort facts, refuse to think logically, and worst of all, are a dangerous threat to the serious education of the next generation for as long as you continue to spout off your insipid ignorant lies about what we do and can know about the world around us - a world we have been observing and examining at great length for many centuries. Face it: everyone agrees on these things except for you and a tiny but unfortunately growing mob of religious lunatics.
 

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Im not religious… Or a Lunatic… I'm done with you..

Good day sir.. Live in your angry world. :)
 

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go visit a museum of natural history and it's difficult to dispute evolution. i always wondered what the purpose is of the christian philosophy that the earth is only 6,000 years old.....that dinosaurs and man existed at the same time like the flintstones. what possible purpose of a scientific "conspiracy" to prove the earth is hundreds of millions of years old is there? and if in fact dinosaurs existed while man inhabited earth, don't you think someone would have mentioned them in the bible? i mean, if i saw a tyrannasaurus rex, i would want to tell someone about it. ;)
 
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Once again… I'm not religious…

I just have a different take on it is all.. I really don;t see any facts, proof, or anything other than words on paper proving my ancestors were monkeys, fish, beetles, etc… I just don't see it.. Genetically speaking we could have "evolved" from bananas… I mean really.. I like to look at all possibilities is all.

Science or the best we can do with what we currently know just doesn't cut it all the time.
 

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