Landlord to ban vaping?

[Spike64]

If it were me in a situation where I lived in a rental and they banned vaping, I'd just move to a place that favors my lifestyle choices. If I'm paying to live somewhere you can be sure that it's going to be living there on terms that fit me. If those terms change, I'll move onto the next place that suits me. I'd be upfront in a way that avoids any possible future conflicts and tell the prospective landlord that I do not smoke, but I'd tell them that I do vape. If that's a problem, I'll move onto the next place until I find suitable living arrangements. No reason to apply for a rental like you have your hat in hand. The way I look at it is that I'm, in some sense, making a purchase (actually a rental, but my money is being spent). While landlords are screening tenants, renters can and should screen landlords and their rules and find a good fit for all concerned...

 

[freemind]

I'd just vape inside and not worry about it, unless you know he is coming over in the immediate future. If he shows up unexpectedly, just don't answer the door. Landlords in BC need to give 24 hours notice before entering the property without permission, except in the event of an emergency.

Don't vape in common areas, don't tell other tenants what you're doing in the privacy of your own home, and you should be fine. If he presses the issue, deny deny deny. If he claims that he can smell what you're vaping, blame it on food or woman's perfume, and if he tries banning them too perhaps its time for an accidental grease fire.

THIS is why it is hard to BE a landlord, and why they need to be so strict with ANY potential tenant. It also explain why so many ex tenants get sued.

It is YOUR home when you own it. You are renting it. That means you are paying for USE of the space. The owner has every right to lay out any rules they deem fit. You also have every right to NOT rent from someone you think is over bearing. If you DO rent from them, you are to follow the rules. When you don't, there are consequences to your decisions, and namely, PAYING for damages.

Oddly enough, most of those people who rent, would NEVER do the same shit to their own home. Or in the least, would fix damage they cause.

Vaping in your home space, is no different than vaping in your car. Your vape fog coats everything and leaves a film. Over time, say a year, this film should be NO different than the tar film from smoking. How many tenants are going to wash the walls CLEAN? Or even wash them at all? How many will clean ceilings and carpets? Light fixtures? All these things can and will get a coat of gunk from the VG and other stuff in your juice.
The tenant moves out or is evicted, and who is going to clean up the mess? Bets are that in almost every case, it isn't the tenant.

Even better, is the dipshit that thinks it's dandy to start a "accidental" grease fire, because he thinks the guy he rents from, is being "mean" and telling him what to do, with someone else's property.

Some people have ZERO respect for the things other people own, yet are the first ones to scream when something happens to something THEY own. Ironic....

 

[Browncoat]

Lots of truth in that post up there by @freemind

I remember the days of renting. I was one of those rare tenants who offered to help fix stuff up. It started with the home we were renting. I would do some DIY, like re-staining the back patio, and the landlord would take it off our rent. Whatever material cost was, plus a reasonable fee for my time. He was very fair about it. When I lost my job, he employed me as a fixer-upper of his several properties around town. I was really shocked at how some people live. Not only how they abuse stuff while living there, but if they move out or worst case scenario: get evicted.

I went into a duplex and I swear it was pristine on the outside, but looked like a tornado had went through the interior. They literally destroyed every single thing in that place, right down to the toilet paper holders. Punched holes in the walls, tore light fixtures off, ripped up (and even pissed and shit on) carpets, shot up appliances with a shotgun. I just...why? It took 2 days of cleaning just to clear a path to get to all the rooms, it was so bad.

 

[Spike64]

THIS is why it is hard to BE a landlord, and why they need to be so strict with ANY potential tenant. It also explain why so many ex tenants get sued.

It is YOUR home when you own it. You are renting it. That means you are paying for USE of the space. The owner has every right to lay out any rules they deem fit. You also have every right to NOT rent from someone you think is over bearing. If you DO rent from them, you are to follow the rules. When you don't, there are consequences to your decisions, and namely, PAYING for damages.

Oddly enough, most of those people who rent, would NEVER do the same shit to their own home. Or in the least, would fix damage they cause.

Vaping in your home space, is no different than vaping in your car. Your vape fog coats everything and leaves a film. Over time, say a year, this film should be NO different than the tar film from smoking. How many tenants are going to wash the walls CLEAN? Or even wash them at all? How many will clean ceilings and carpets? Light fixtures? All these things can and will get a coat of gunk from the VG and other stuff in your juice.
The tenant moves out or is evicted, and who is going to clean up the mess? Bets are that in almost every case, it isn't the tenant.

Even better, is the dipshit that thinks it's dandy to start a "accidental" grease fire, because he thinks the guy he rents from, is being "mean" and telling him what to do, with someone else's property.

Some people have ZERO respect for the things other people own, yet are the first ones to scream when something happens to something THEY own. Ironic....

My BIL had a few rentals....it was incredible to see what some tenants do to their rented houses...the neglect and damage was appalling. He got out from under the rentals by selling them off...it was too much upkeep and a drain on time and resources...I've rented a few times over the course of my adult life. I always took decent care of my place and made sure to clean up the place and leave it in as close to the condition it was when I moved into it, other than normal wear and tear as will happen...I've never had any part of my deposit withheld although one landlord tried to over a carpet snag...until I pointed out that it was there when I moved in and backed it up when I pulled out the original walk through list of existing issues that we both signed when I first moved in...

 

[freemind]

Lots of truth in that post up there by @freemind

I remember the days of renting. I was one of those rare tenants who offered to help fix stuff up. It started with the home we were renting. I would do some DIY, like re-staining the back patio, and the landlord would take it off our rent. Whatever material cost was, plus a reasonable fee for my time. He was very fair about it. When I lost my job, he employed me as a fixer-upper of his several properties around town. I was really shocked at how some people live. Not only how they abuse stuff while living there, but if they move out or worst case scenario: get evicted.

I went into a duplex and I swear it was pristine on the outside, but looked like a tornado had went through the interior. They literally destroyed every single thing in that place, right down to the toilet paper holders. Punched holes in the walls, tore light fixtures off, ripped up (and even pissed and shit on) carpets, shot up appliances with a shotgun. I just...why? It took 2 days of cleaning just to clear a path to get to all the rooms, it was so bad.

I am working with a real estate agent now, who rents many properties. He and several other's in the area landlord MANY, MANY homes. He wants out of the rental business, and so do many others. Problem is, generally, people that rent do so because they are dimwits and have no credit. Unable to be home owners. If they wanted to sell all these homes, the market would be flooded, and they all would lose their collective asses selling out.

It baffles and amazes me, what some people will do to the property of others. It's no wonder landlords have attorneys working for them year round. Constant lawsuits....

We all know shit will happen, like accidently banging a wall moving something around, or out of a house. But most all of it is intentional destruction of property. It's insane.

 

[Haadkoe]

THIS is why it is hard to BE a landlord, and why they need to be so strict with ANY potential tenant. It also explain why so many ex tenants get sued.

It is YOUR home when you own it. You are renting it. That means you are paying for USE of the space. The owner has every right to lay out any rules they deem fit. You also have every right to NOT rent from someone you think is over bearing. If you DO rent from them, you are to follow the rules. When you don't, there are consequences to your decisions, and namely, PAYING for damages.

Oddly enough, most of those people who rent, would NEVER do the same shit to their own home. Or in the least, would fix damage they cause.

Vaping in your home space, is no different than vaping in your car. Your vape fog coats everything and leaves a film. Over time, say a year, this film should be NO different than the tar film from smoking. How many tenants are going to wash the walls CLEAN? Or even wash them at all? How many will clean ceilings and carpets? Light fixtures? All these things can and will get a coat of gunk from the VG and other stuff in your juice.
The tenant moves out or is evicted, and who is going to clean up the mess? Bets are that in almost every case, it isn't the tenant.

Even better, is the dipshit that thinks it's dandy to start a "accidental" grease fire, because he thinks the guy he rents from, is being "mean" and telling him what to do, with someone else's property.

Some people have ZERO respect for the things other people own, yet are the first ones to scream when something happens to something THEY own. Ironic....

Landlords should be repainting and cleaning carpets, windows, surfaces, etc after each tenant moves out anyway. Regular wear and tear from living in a space should require as much, regardless of whether there is someone vaping in the property or not. If they're not taking the time to prep the residence for the next tenants they're a slumlord, plain and simple.

 

[Spike64]

Landlords should be repainting and cleaning carpets, windows, surfaces, etc after each tenant moves out anyway. Regular wear and tear from living in a space should require as much, regardless of whether there is someone vaping in the property or not. If they're not taking the time to prep the residence for the next tenants they're a slumlord, plain and simple.

I agree...I looked at a place once and was gonna rent it...nice place overall, but needed a few things done before I was to move in. The landlord was supposed to paint a couple rooms, do some cleaning, and fix an issue with a faucet in one of the bathrooms. I gave him the money based on these promises and I was to move in a week later. I went over to the rental as I was preparing to move and nothing had been done. The landlord gave me BS excuses as he said he'd "get around to it" later after I was moved in. I didnt go for it. We had an agreement. I asked for my money back as I no longer wanted to rent the place. His tone made my "slum lord" radar go off...he tried to withhold some of the money "for his time and trouble" until I made it clear that I would litigate. And I would have. He eventually relented and gave me my rent and deposit back in full. Fortunately I had a couple of weeks left before I had to vacate the place I was leaving and was able to find a nice place to move to.

 

[Zamazam]

I agree...I looked at a place once and was gonna rent it...nice place overall, but needed a few things done before I was to move in. The landlord was supposed to paint a couple rooms, do some cleaning, and fix an issue with a faucet in one of the bathrooms. I gave him the money based on these promises and I was to move in a week later. I went over to the rental as I was preparing to move and nothing had been done. The landlord gave me BS excuses as he said he'd "get around to it" later after I was moved in. I didnt go for it. We had an agreement. I asked for my money back as I no longer wanted to rent the place. His tone made my "slum lord" radar go off...he tried to withhold some of the money "for his time and trouble" until I made it clear that I would litigate. And I would have. He eventually relented and gave me my rent and deposit back in full. Fortunately I had a couple of weeks left before I had to vacate the place I was leaving and was able to find a nice place to move to.

The best way to judge a rental property is not to go there during the daytime, but go after dinner. If you hear music blasting, and see drunk or stoned people hollering at each other from their balconies, walk away.

 

[Time]

I'd just vape inside and not worry about it, unless you know he is coming over in the immediate future. If he shows up unexpectedly, just don't answer the door. Landlords in BC need to give 24 hours notice before entering the property without permission, except in the event of an emergency.

Don't vape in common areas, don't tell other tenants what you're doing in the privacy of your own home, and you should be fine. If he presses the issue, deny deny deny. If he claims that he can smell what you're vaping, blame it on food or woman's perfume, and if he tries banning them too perhaps its time for an accidental grease fire.

Your solution would be to be a sneak and a liar? And if that don't work, become an arsonist?

Sounds reasonable.

 

[Spike64]

The best way to judge a rental property is not to go there during the daytime, but go after dinner. If you hear music blasting, and see drunk or stoned people hollering at each other from their balconies, walk away.

Or, depending on what you're into, say "Hell Yeah!" and join the party!...lol...other than that, you are absolutely correct...

 

[Haadkoe]

Stoned people don't yell from their balconies... They just chill, man. Really don't understand all of the canna hate here. Pretty irrational IMO, since it is was and always will be safer and healthier than tobacco ever could hope to be... And most of us sucked down that tobacco without much of a fuck for our health or the health of those around us.

 

[Spike64]

Stoned people don't yell from their balconies... They just chill, man. Really don't understand all of the canna hate here. Pretty irrational IMO, since it is was and always will be safer and healthier than tobacco ever could hope to be... And most of us sucked down that tobacco without much of a fuck for our health or the health of those around us.

People here dont generally hate weed...this just isnt a forum for discussing it as has already been made clear by the staff in other threads...there are forums for that and they are easily found elsewhere...

 

[freemind]

Landlords should be repainting and cleaning carpets, windows, surfaces, etc after each tenant moves out anyway. Regular wear and tear from living in a space should require as much, regardless of whether there is someone vaping in the property or not. If they're not taking the time to prep the residence for the next tenants they're a slumlord, plain and simple.

If YOU moved in to a place that HAD the carpets clean, painting done, Etc. then YOU should leave the property in the SAME shape you rented it in.

I was unaware that ANY landlord is your maid, or contractor. That's YOUR job as a renter.

 

[Haadkoe]

Your solution would be to be a sneak and a liar? And if that don't work, become an arsonist?

Sounds reasonable.

If I pay to utilize the space, and my actions don't negatively effect my neighbors, the property owner, or anyone else, who the hell do they think they are to moderate my behavior? Are they going to tell me that I'm not allowed to fry any foods for fear of oil residue costing the walls?(I actually had an insane landlady make such a demand once, among other equally insane demands.) What about if they say that you're only allowed to view G rated movies or television shows, or listen to only country music regardless of whether the neighbors were aware of it or not? How about if you're only allowed to park american cars in the driveway, because WW2? All OK with you because its their property, after all?

I'd rather just ignore those kinds of insane, overbearing demands. Personal liberty and privacy trump that kind of bullshit in my eyes.

 

[Haadkoe]

If YOU moved in to a place that HAD the carpets clean, painting done, Etc. then YOU should leave the property in the SAME shape you rented it in.

I was unaware that ANY landlord is your maid, or contractor. That's YOUR job as a renter.

A general clean up is to be expected, unless you're a scumbag renter. Take all of your shit with you, and clean up all of the spots which were hidden by your belongings. The rest is up to the landlord.

 

[freemind]

A general clean up is to be expected, unless you're a scumbag renter. Take all of your shit with you, and clean up all of the spots which were hidden by your belongings. The rest is up to the landlord.

Actually, no. I've never rented from anyone that expected to clean up after me. There has always been a walk through with the landlord of the property before I moved in. The property was expected to be in the same, clean shape, after return, as it was before I rented.

Apparently, you don't think cleaning your home on a regular basis, is necessary. This is probably why you rent, and not own.

How often DO you clean your carpet? How often are you wiping the grease off the wall behind the stove? How often are you even vacuuming your carpets?

This may seem like a slap in the face, but some people have no clue about keeping a place clean.

 

[Haadkoe]

People here dont generally hate weed...this just isnt a forum for discussing it as has already been made clear by the staff in other threads...there are forums for that and they are easily found elsewhere...

With the number of subforums crammed in here, adding one more for cannabis related vaping wouldn't kill us. Shit, how many states is its recreational use legal in these days? Not trying to go too far ot here, just my opinion.

...and yeah, I vape extracts in my rented home, pay my bills, keep a clean place, and my neighbors and landlord hold me in high regard... No pun intended. ...then again, I live in BC, so its defacto legal here anyway.

 

[freemind]

If I pay to utilize the space, and my actions don't negatively effect my neighbors, the property owner, or anyone else, who the hell do they think they are to moderate my behavior? Are they going to tell me that I'm not allowed to fry any foods for fear of oil residue costing the walls?(I actually had an insane landlady make such a demand once, among other equally insane demands.) What about if they say that you're only allowed to view G rated movies or television shows, or listen to only country music regardless of whether the neighbors were aware of it or not? How about if you're only allowed to park american cars in the driveway, because WW2? All OK with you because its their property, after all?

I'd rather just ignore those kinds of insane, overbearing demands. Personal liberty and privacy trump that kind of bullshit in my eyes.

So if you stink an apartment up with an illegal substance, how exactly is that NOT destroying the landlords property?

You have a choice of WHO you rent from. Everything should be CLEARLY stated in a lease. If you can't agree with all the terms, then just move on. Pretty simple.

 

[Spike64]

With the number of subforums crammed in here, adding one more for cannabis related vaping wouldn't kill us. Shit, how many states is its recreational use legal in these days? Not trying to go too far ot here, just my opinion.

...and yeah, I vape extracts in my rented home, pay my bills, keep a clean place, and my neighbors and landlord hold me in high regard... No pun intended. ...then again, I live in BC, so its defacto legal here anyway.

While it's great to have an opinion and I'm sure many folks might agree with you, this bridge has already been crossed and demolished...the powers that be have a vision as to the direction of this forum and have made their decision clear on the subject...it is what it is...

 

[Haadkoe]

Actually, no. I've never rented from anyone that expected to clean up after me. There has always been a walk through with the landlord of the property before I moved in. The property was expected to be in the same, clean shape, after return, as it was before I rented.

Apparently, you don't think cleaning your home on a regular basis, is necessary. This is probably why you rent, and not own.

How often DO you clean your carpet? How often are you wiping the grease off the wall behind the stove? How often are you even vacuuming your carpets?

This may seem like a slap in the face, but some people have no clue about keeping a place clean.

I keep a clean home, so when I move it has never been an issue. The place is clean to begin with, but once you take everything and move it into the truck hidden dust bunnies and whatnot tend to show up. Takes no time at all to bring the place back to spotless. Always gotten my damage deposit back in full without issue.

Granted, there are a LOT of shitty dirty simply terrible tenants out there. If you're a landlord, I'm sure you've seen your fair share, so I can emphasize with where you're coming from, but lambasting an otherwise model tenant for what they do in the privacy of their home is unacceptable to me.

No masturbation allowed, because Jesus, and it might get on the ceiling! /sigh

 

[Haadkoe]

So if you stink an apartment up with an illegal substance, how exactly is that NOT destroying the landlords property?

You have a choice of WHO you rent from. Everything should be CLEARLY stated in a lease. If you can't agree with all the terms, then just move on. Pretty simple.

Fwiw, the scent dissapates faster than vapor and leaves no objectionable or discernable smell behind. Of course, frequency of use is generally far less than us vapers which probably enters into it as well.

Liberty: I can has it?

 

[Haadkoe]

While it's great to have an opinion and I'm sure many folks might agree with you, this bridge has already been crossed and demolished...the powers that be have a vision as to the direction of this forum and have made their decision clear on the subject...it is what it is...

I get it, and accept it... Just sayin'.

Gotta keep those advertisers happy.

 

[freemind]

I keep a clean home, so when I move it has never been an issue. The place is clean to begin with, but once you take everything and move it into the truck hidden dust bunnies and whatnot tend to show up. Takes no time at all to bring the place back to spotless. Always gotten my damage deposit back in full without issue.

Granted, there are a LOT of shitty dirty simply terrible tenants out therethere. If you're a landlord, I'm sure you've seen your fair share, so I can emphasize where you're coming from, but lambasting an otherwise model tenant for what they do in the privacy of their home is unacceptable to me.

No masturbation allowed, because Jesus, and it might get on the ceiling! /sigh

Meh, look at it however you want. You still think it's the landlords job to clean up your dust bunnies, and it's not. It's great you are one of the few clean-er renters, but leaving a mess still isn't right. You can clean it just as easily as anyone else.

Be happy no one has charged you to clean up what little you left behind. If you rented it spotless, ANY time they have to put in it to bring it back to spotless is more time then they should have spent.

 

[freemind]

Fwiw, the scent dissapates faster than vapor and leaves no objectionable or discernable smell behind. Of course, frequency of use is generally far less than us vapers which probably enters into it as well.

Liberty: I can has it?

I would disagree with you. I know two people whom I am around a lot that use it. I can still smell it. And I do NOT have a good sense of smell after smoking cigs for 25 years.

 

[MrScaryZ]

I get nothing but grief from everyone about vaping its the smell they bitch about.. I have to now deal with my nicotine addiction instead of thinking of vaping as a better alternative to smoking..

 

[Haadkoe]

Meh, look at it however you want. You still think it's the landlords job to clean up your dust bunnies, and it's not. It's great you are one of the few clean-er renters, but leaving a mess still isn't right. You can clean it just as easily as anyone else.

Be happy no one has charged you to clean up what little you left behind. If you rented it spotless, ANY time they have to put in it to bring it back to spotless is more time then they should have spent.

I never said that.(Or at least that's clearly not what I meant.) Once I get my stuff into the truck it's quick and easy for ME to do a quick clean up to bring the place back to spotless.

Fuck, I'd hate to live under your reign.

 

[Midniteoyl]

I'd just vape inside and not worry about it, unless you know he is coming over in the immediate future. If he shows up unexpectedly, just don't answer the door. Landlords in BC need to give 24 hours notice before entering the property without permission, except in the event of an emergency.

Don't vape in common areas, don't tell other tenants what you're doing in the privacy of your own home, and you should be fine. If he presses the issue, deny deny deny. If he claims that he can smell what you're vaping, blame it on food or woman's perfume, and if he tries banning them too perhaps its time for an accidental grease fire.

You were good up until the 'accidental grease fire'.. Negligence is chargeable to the tenant, so I would see you in court

 

[Haadkoe]

I would disagree with you. I know two people whom I am around a lot that use it. I can still smell it. And I do NOT have a good sense of smell after smoking cigs for 25 years.

You can smell it while they use it, maybe a few moments afterwards if they're using large quantities or are constantly puffing away, but the smell doesn't linger forever like tobacco. Talking vaping here, not combustion... That'll stick to you for a while, but even then, its gone within a few hours at most.

 

[Haadkoe]

You were good up until the 'accidental grease fire'.. Negligence is chargeable to the tenant, so I would see you in court

Tongue in cheek, lol. Arson is a crime, and a serious one at that. Don't burn down your homes because I told you to folks, I'm not Eminem.

 

[Midniteoyl]

THIS is why it is hard to BE a landlord, and why they need to be so strict with ANY potential tenant. It also explain why so many ex tenants get sued.

It is YOUR home when you own it. You are renting it. That means you are paying for USE of the space. The owner has every right to lay out any rules they deem fit. You also have every right to NOT rent from someone you think is over bearing. If you DO rent from them, you are to follow the rules. When you don't, there are consequences to your decisions, and namely, PAYING for damages.

Oddly enough, most of those people who rent, would NEVER do the same shit to their own home. Or in the least, would fix damage they cause.

Vaping in your home space, is no different than vaping in your car. Your vape fog coats everything and leaves a film. Over time, say a year, this film should be NO different than the tar film from smoking. How many tenants are going to wash the walls CLEAN? Or even wash them at all? How many will clean ceilings and carpets? Light fixtures? All these things can and will get a coat of gunk from the VG and other stuff in your juice.
The tenant moves out or is evicted, and who is going to clean up the mess? Bets are that in almost every case, it isn't the tenant.

Even better, is the dipshit that thinks it's dandy to start a "accidental" grease fire, because he thinks the guy he rents from, is being "mean" and telling him what to do, with someone else's property.

Some people have ZERO respect for the things other people own, yet are the first ones to scream when something happens to something THEY own. Ironic....

Its more like people screaming about their 'rights' while trying to completely trample on the rights of others. 'My rights! I know my rights! You cant tell me what to do!!'.. Well, yes I can, when it involves my property and my rights.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Lots of truth in that post up there by @freemind

I remember the days of renting. I was one of those rare tenants who offered to help fix stuff up. It started with the home we were renting. I would do some DIY, like re-staining the back patio, and the landlord would take it off our rent. Whatever material cost was, plus a reasonable fee for my time. He was very fair about it. When I lost my job, he employed me as a fixer-upper of his several properties around town. I was really shocked at how some people live. Not only how they abuse stuff while living there, but if they move out or worst case scenario: get evicted.

I went into a duplex and I swear it was pristine on the outside, but looked like a tornado had went through the interior. They literally destroyed every single thing in that place, right down to the toilet paper holders. Punched holes in the walls, tore light fixtures off, ripped up (and even pissed and shit on) carpets, shot up appliances with a shotgun. I just...why? It took 2 days of cleaning just to clear a path to get to all the rooms, it was so bad.

Yep.. We were the same way too.. Always took care of the place, cleaned the carpets, painted if needed, fixed stuff that wasnt fixed right before, etc..

And, just like you, i was eventual employed by property management company to do clean outs and repairs of rentals.. OMG, what some people will do to an apartment just goes beyond description. And now, of course, I am the landlord and see a lot of the same crap and bullshit excuses. Why oh why did I become a landlord?

 

[Time]

If I pay to utilize the space, and my actions don't negatively effect my neighbors, the property owner, or anyone else, who the hell do they think they are to moderate my behavior? Are they going to tell me that I'm not allowed to fry any foods for fear of oil residue costing the walls?(I actually had an insane landlady make such a demand once, among other equally insane demands.) What about if they say that you're only allowed to view G rated movies or television shows, or listen to only country music regardless of whether the neighbors were aware of it or not? How about if you're only allowed to park american cars in the driveway, because WW2? All OK with you because its their property, after all?

I'd rather just ignore those kinds of insane, overbearing demands. Personal liberty and privacy trump that kind of bullshit in my eyes.

I'm not surprised to hear you've had landlord issues.

I'm afraid strict rules in many complexes, including condos and gated communities where the property is owned and not rented exist. Where you can park, when you have to mow your own lawn and all sorts of weird ass rules. These are not assaults on your freedoms. You don't have to live there. If you make an agreement to live under those conditions, you should honor that agreement. If you don't like the rules, go somewhere else.

You have a choice to live there or not. If you agree to live by their rules and then sneak, lie and cheat then it is you that is the problem, not the landlord. If you sign a contract or otherwise agree to live under certain rules then you should honor the agreement you made. If you have no intention of living under those rules, go somewhere else. Otherwise, you are the sneak, liar thief that the landlord was hoping to avoid to begin with and likely the reason they have all the rules.

 

[Whiskey]

Stoned people don't yell from their balconies... They just chill, man. Really don't understand all of the canna hate here. Pretty irrational IMO, since it is was and always will be safer and healthier than tobacco ever could hope to be... And most of us sucked down that tobacco without much of a fuck for our health or the health of those around us.

Not so much the hate of it, is the fact that this forum is an E-cig-nic juice forum and we don't topic the other, we like to think that is why people join the forums of their choice and I know there are forums out there for just about anything

 

[Whiskey]

With the number of subforums crammed in here, adding one more for cannabis related vaping wouldn't kill us. Shit, how many states is its recreational use legal in these days? Not trying to go too far ot here, just my opinion.

...and yeah, I vape extracts in my rented home, pay my bills, keep a clean place, and my neighbors and landlord hold me in high regard... No pun intended. ...then again, I live in BC, so its defacto legal here anyway.

Addressed in the above post,

 

[Haadkoe]

Its more like people screaming about their 'rights' while trying to completely trample on the rights of others. 'My rights! I know my rights! You cant tell me what to do!!'.. Well, yes I can, when it involves my property and my rights.

We, as renters, DO have rights you know... Not that I've ever really had much reason or cause to bring it up in my personal life experience. I treat my rental properties with as much care and respect as I would treat my own property, which is more than I can say for a lot of renters.

If lndlords did a more thorough job of screening applicants, they probably wouldn't have so many headaches and arguments. Tough paying your own damn mortgage though these days I guess. Just easier to stuff some crackheads in the basement, charge em $1200 a month, and cry about it later.

 

[Haadkoe]

I'm not surprised to hear you've had landlord issues.

I'm afraid strict rules in many complexes, including condos and gated communities where the property is owned and not rented exist. Where you can park, when you have to mow your own lawn and all sorts of weird ass rules. These are not assaults on your freedoms. You don't have to live there. If you make an agreement to live under those conditions, you should honor that agreement. If you don't like the rules, go somewhere else.

You have a choice to live there or not. If you agree to live by their rules and then sneak, lie and cheat then it is you that is the problem, not the landlord. If you sign a contract or otherwise agree to live under certain rules then you should honor the agreement you made. If you have no intention of living under those rules, go somewhere else. Otherwise, you are the sneak, liar thief that the landlord was hoping to avoid to begin with and likely the reason they have all the rules.

I have not had landlord issues. One lady was batshit insane, but that's on her. The rest of my "what if's" were playing devils advocate... Because if they're telling you that you can't smell a certain way, that is just as ridiculous as the rest of the things I suggested to be rediculious demands. I guess the landlords in this thread don't see any of those demands to be ridiculous though, because they own it and can say and do whatever they want to force their tenants to fit into their "acceptable behavior mold"

 

[Midniteoyl]

Landlords should be repainting and cleaning carpets, windows, surfaces, etc after each tenant moves out anyway. Regular wear and tear from living in a space should require as much, regardless of whether there is someone vaping in the property or not. If they're not taking the time to prep the residence for the next tenants they're a slumlord, plain and simple.

No No No.. It doesnt work that way. If the place you moved into was not very clean to start with, sure, take the pics and do the walk through and leave it the way you found it. But, that goes the other way too: I the place is clean, painted, and smells good, then you also need to leave it that way when you leave. You cannot move into a nice place, trash it for a year or two, then simply 'walk away' leaving it up to the landlord to clean up your mess. I will and do charge for uncleaned carpets, holes in the wall (even picture holders), dirty fridges and stoves, dirty toilets and tubs, uncleaned walls (I dont expect freshly painted, but if they are soo bad I need to, well then, thats on you for making them that way), water damage, missing peices (like faucet aerator screens , a common item), dirty furnaces 'cause you were too lazy to change the filters, missing light bulbs (another common item), torn windows screens 'cause you locked your stupid ass out and couldn't call me and wait the 5 mins it takes for me to come unlock the doors, etc, etc, etc, etc....

 

[Chainvapor]

THIS is why it is hard to BE a landlord, and why they need to be so strict with ANY potential tenant. It also explain why so many ex tenants get sued.

It is YOUR home when you own it. You are renting it. That means you are paying for USE of the space. The owner has every right to lay out any rules they deem fit. You also have every right to NOT rent from someone you think is over bearing. If you DO rent from them, you are to follow the rules. When you don't, there are consequences to your decisions, and namely, PAYING for damages.

Oddly enough, most of those people who rent, would NEVER do the same shit to their own home. Or in the least, would fix damage they cause.

Vaping in your home space, is no different than vaping in your car. Your vape fog coats everything and leaves a film. Over time, say a year, this film should be NO different than the tar film from smoking. How many tenants are going to wash the walls CLEAN? Or even wash them at all? How many will clean ceilings and carpets? Light fixtures? All these things can and will get a coat of gunk from the VG and other stuff in your juice.
The tenant moves out or is evicted, and who is going to clean up the mess? Bets are that in almost every case, it isn't the tenant.

Even better, is the dipshit that thinks it's dandy to start a "accidental" grease fire, because he thinks the guy he rents from, is being "mean" and telling him what to do, with someone else's property.

Some people have ZERO respect for the things other people own, yet are the first ones to scream when something happens to something THEY own. Ironic....

I agree. If someone owns a home, they make the rules. Having said that, I have been vaping in my house for 5 years, and I have found no residue on anything. We keep our house clean and I do clean the light fixtures and ceiling fans every spring and fall. But I have never found any residue. Maybe if people are cloud chasing constantly in a small room, this might happen. But not when it is spread out over an entire house. My car does not seem to get a film on the windshield, but I do usually vape with the window cracked and I clean my windshield every spring and fall so maybe that's why?.

CV

 

[Midniteoyl]

I'm not surprised to hear you've had landlord issues.

I'm afraid strict rules in many complexes, including condos and gated communities where the property is owned and not rented exist. Where you can park, when you have to mow your own lawn and all sorts of weird ass rules. These are not assaults on your freedoms. You don't have to live there. If you make an agreement to live under those conditions, you should honor that agreement. If you don't like the rules, go somewhere else.

You have a choice to live there or not. If you agree to live by their rules and then sneak, lie and cheat then it is you that is the problem, not the landlord. If you sign a contract or otherwise agree to live under certain rules then you should honor the agreement you made. If you have no intention of living under those rules, go somewhere else. Otherwise, you are the sneak, liar thief that the landlord was hoping to avoid to begin with and likely the reason they have all the rules.

Agreed.

 

[Midniteoyl]

We, as renters, DO have rights you know... Not that I've ever really had much reason or cause to bring it up in my personal life experience. I treat my rental properties with as much care and respect as I would treat my own property, which is more than I can say for a lot of renters.

If lndlords did a more thorough job of screening applicantsapplicants, they probably wouldn't have so many headaches and arguments. Tough paying your own damn mortgage though these days I guess. Just easier to stuff some crackheads in the basement, charge em $1200 a month, and cry about it later.

As I said, you do not get to do whatever you feel is 'right'.. If it violates my rights, or those of your neighbors, you do not. Too many people claim 'its my right!' when in fact it is not. Are there rights as a tenant? Sure there are. Each State usually have laws on the books that state those rights that cannot be 'signed away' in a contract. Smoking and/or vaping is not one of them

Oh, and please dont try to say I am a slumlord housing crackheads just because you disagree with me

 

[freemind]

We, as renters, DO have rights you know... Not that I've ever really had much reason or cause to bring it up in my personal life experience. I treat my rental properties with as much care and respect as I would treat my own property, which is more than I can say for a lot of renters.

If lndlords did a more thorough job of screening applicants, they probably wouldn't have so many headaches and arguments. Tough paying your own damn mortgage though these days I guess. Just easier to stuff some crackheads in the basement, charge em $1200 a month, and cry about it later.

I'm sure SOME landlords just rent to the first xxxxxhead with the cash. Most though, do run your credit and cheack your references. It's about all they can do.

The bad renters are not just people that are welfare recipients or crackheads. Even those making fat stacks can and do, do the same thing. The mentality really has nothing to do with the amount of gross income one makes.

 

[Haadkoe]

I'm glad that I've always rented from reasonable landlords, save that one lady. You folks think the sun shines out of your ass because you got a bank loan and some sucker to foot the bill while you build equity and demand your tenants bow to rah the poopchute sun god.

 

[Haadkoe]

As I said, you do not get to do whatever you feel is 'right'.. If it violates my rights, or those of your neighbors, you do not. Too many people claim 'its my right!' when in fact it is not. Are there rights as a tenant? Sure there are. Each State usually have laws on the books that state those rights that cannot be 'signed away' in a contract. Smoking and/or vaping is not one of them

Oh, and please dont try to say I am a slumlord housing crackheads just because you disagree with me

Which part of what I do in the privcy of my home effects others? Nothing, which is my goddamn point. Collect your rent, make sure the place is up to snuff, and move on. Get a hobby or something instead of crawling up your tenants asses and you'll live longer happier lives.

 

[freemind]

I agree. If someone owns a home, they make the rules. Having said that, I have been vaping in my house for 5 years, and I have found no residue on anything. We keep our house clean and I do clean the light fixtures and ceiling fans every spring and fall. But I have never found any residue. Maybe if people are cloud chasing constantly in a small room, this might happen. But not when it is spread out over an entire house. My car does not seem to get a film on the windshield, but I do usually vape with the window cracked and I clean my windshield every spring and fall so maybe that's why?.

CV

I had to unplug my smoke detector in my living room. The living room is 30x30 and the smoke detector is on the wall opposite of where I sit, 8 foot high in the air.
I can bet you that your vape is on your walls.

 

[Time]

I have not had landlord issues. One lady was batshit insane, but that's on her. The rest of my "what if's" were playing devils advocate... Because if they're telling you that you can't smell a certain way, that is just as ridiculous as the rest of the things I suggested to be rediculious demands. I guess the landlords in this thread don't see any of those demands to be ridiculous though, because they own it and can say and do whatever they want to force their tenants to fit into their "acceptable behavior mold"

I think you might be missing the point.

It has nothing to do with how ridiculous the rule is. It has to do with agreeing to live by the rule when you rent the property.

If you know the rules and agree to live by them when you rent the property, the proper thing to do is live by your agreement and not ignore the agreement that you made. I'll say it one more time in a different way. If you agreed to the no vaping rule to rent the property, the honest thing to do is to live by the no vaping rule. Anything else is dishonest on your part, not the landlords.

 

[Haadkoe]

When breathing, exhaling produces CO2, which can be a deadly poisonous gas, reportedly responsible for damaging the ozone layer and furthering global warming... Clearly you should ban breathing in your rental properties, for all of our sake!!

 

[Haadkoe]

I think you might be missing the point.

It has nothing to do with how ridiculous the rule is. It has to do with agreeing to live by the rule when you rent the property.

If you know the rules and agree to live by them when you rent the property, the proper thing to do is live by your agreement and not ignore the agreement that you made. I'll say it one more time in a different way. If you agreed to the no vaping rule to rent the property, the honest thing to do is to live by the no vaping rule. Anything else is dishonest on your part, not the landlords.

I never agreed to that shit, and neither did the op. If I signed away my right to vape, that would be one thing. I didn't, neither did he; fuck the landlord in question.

That's the point.

 

[Midniteoyl]

I agree. If someone owns a home, they make the rules. Having said that, I have been vaping in my house for 5 years, and I have found no residue on anything. We keep our house clean and I do clean the light fixtures and ceiling fans every spring and fall. But I have never found any residue. Maybe if people are cloud chasing constantly in a small room, this might happen. But not when it is spread out over an entire house. My car does not seem to get a film on the windshield, but I do usually vape with the window cracked and I clean my windshield every spring and fall so maybe that's why?.

CV

Yes.. Most likely 'cause you clean your home.. I leave my window crack as well, but I have noticed that when my wife doesnt, I start to get a film.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Which part of what I do in the privcy of my home effects others? Nothing, which is my goddamn point. Collect your rent, make sure the place is up to snuff, and move on. Get a hobby or something instead of crawling up your tenants asses and you'll live longer happier lives.

Wow.. really? Soooo glad you arent my tenant.. Well, maybe you should be. A little lesson on what a landlords rights are would prolly be a good thing

 

[Haadkoe]

Make retarded and baseless rules despite the fact that we're all supposed to be supporting the same cause, demand everyone follow them because they agreed when they arrived, and shit all over anyone who disagrees.

Sounds like a certain e-cig forum, no? Wtf are half of you doing here anyway? I'd think you'd be more mentally aligned with the goose-steppers over yonder.

Anyway, let's just agree to see things differently. We're obviously never going to change each others minds on this one.

Have a great day, and happy vaping. (Out at the curb, if you deem necessary I guess. I'll be comfy in my home, lo!.)