Ol'DocPorter's consolidated Survey

[Teresa P]

i am getting slightly confused,
doc are you saying cigarettes have no phsical addition to them. Its all in your mind???
I can see that
and all teh withdrawl symptoms that are reported that are physical like,
getting a cold
headaches
etc
are not from withdrawl but form the body purging all the nastiness we inhaled while smoking that built up in our system

am I on the right page?

Well, when I was smoking I did not want to quit because I loved watching my clouds, but when I started to vape, I loved it!! Big, Huge Clouds. mmmmmm clouds!! I can go both with nic and without, either way it is the clouds that matter to me..

It's withdrawals, trust me. As a former, recovered drug addict, I can safely ascertain that the physical and emotional angst I experienced quitting smoking was my body withdrawing not just from nicotine (I started vaping at a much lower level than I smoked), but from all the other "drugs" that cigarettes contain. I was hateful, I was rude, I got night sweats, shakes, and sometimes nausea. Sometimes I think that subconsciously that was one of the reasons I didn't successfully quit sooner than I did. I just didn't want to go through that again.
I venture to say that the last 3+ years I smoked, I did out of necessity, not pleasure. I hated the taste, I hated the smell, and I certainly hated the expense. But I was hooked, I had to do it, just like the met* I was addicted to so many years ago. I'm a very strong-willed person. If any of that had been "all in my head," I'd have had no problems.

 

[BigNasty]

It's withdrawals, trust me. As a former, recovered drug addict, I can safely ascertain that the physical and emotional angst I experienced quitting smoking was my body withdrawing not just from nicotine (I started vaping at a much lower level than I smoked), but from all the other "drugs" that cigarettes contain. I was hateful, I was rude, I got night sweats, shakes, and sometimes nausea. Sometimes I think that subconsciously that was one of the reasons I didn't successfully quit sooner than I did. I just didn't want to go through that again.
I venture to say that the last 3+ years I smoked, I did out of necessity, not pleasure. I hated the taste, I hated the smell, and I certainly hated the expense. But I was hooked, I had to do it, just like the met* I was addicted to so many years ago. I'm a very strong-willed person. If any of that had been "all in my head," I'd have had no problems.

Nothing wrong with being rude and hateful.
Just have to time it correctly.

 

[Teresa P]

Nothing wrong with being rude and hateful.
Just have to time it correctly.

LMAO!! I just adore you!

 

[Mattp169]

oh and my response to the survey

11
yes
yes
no
noone
cloud
no clue - hopefully neither
yes
no
not sure how it would change

 

[MrScaryZ]

No. I'm still enthralled that it was so easy to break a 40-year pack a day habit that I'm really not interested in any other smoking cessation methods or why I had such trouble giving up. I suspect my 40-year smoking habit attributed as much to nicotine as to a hand-to-mouth habit.

Thank you, Amanda.[/QUOTE]
It is always entertaining when confronted with pure and utter chemical dependency the spin off's that occur in pop psychology .. ..

 

[freemind]

Thank you, Amanda.

It is always entertaining when confronted with pure and utter chemical dependency the spin off's that occur in pop psychology .. ..[/QUOTE]
Correct.

Hand to mouth is a mental habit.

The "crap" in cigarettes is a chemical dependency.

It was pretty tough for me to kick the smoking issue. Without vaping, I couldn't quit.

 

[Ol'DocPorter]

Interesting response. I wasn't seeing trolling in this thread, merely a different point of view - which didn't seem out of line to me!

Mam, having different opinions is a good, nay, wonderful thing, and a cornerstone of a free society. What Steve is doing, however, is not expressing an opinion, but attempting to contradict absolute, incontrovertible, scientific facts that no informed and intelligent person would ever attempt to without real science behind it to back it up. It's as if he is trying to state that the world is flat. The ancient Greeks scientifically proved the world was round, but along came the Christians, whose bible says the world is a flat disc. They ruled the civilized world for a thousand years, after which, the few people who knew the fact that the world was round, and that it had been proven beyond any doubt, were still being burned at the stake.
Likewise, the clear cut distinction between physical addiction (dependency) and psychological addiction (all in your head) was scientifically proven beyond all doubt years ago. Next, enter the church of anti-smoking, and their laughable pseudoscience used to lie to the public about tobacco, and addiction in general. Don't forget, the Catholics had "a mountain of scientific data" to prove the world was flat, as well. Through the media, the antis managed to brainwash the public by the use of repeated mantras. Nazi research concluded that even the most ridiculous lie will be accepted as truth by the masses if repeated enough, as in weekly mass, or worse, every news report and commercial break. Much like the church, apparently the antis are winning, as they have brainwashed morons like Steve to do their work for them. The sad part is, Steve is so brainwashed that he does't even realize he's lying. Look, His action after reading this will prove my point. If he temporarily dissapears to go research and discover the truth of the matter, then returns seeing a round world, then there's hope for him. On the other hand, if he continues to lie in the face of absolute fact and attack me to protect his bruised ego, then he is truly lost, and will never be anything but a stupid, lying troll for the rest of his days. You see, the things he says are not opinions, but absolute lies. Until the advent of anti-smoking, nobody ever had a withdrawal symptom from quitting tobacco, and that is historical fact.

 

[MrScaryZ]

It is always entertaining when confronted with pure and utter chemical dependency the spin off's that occur in pop psychology .. ..

Correct.

Hand to mouth is a mental habit.

The "crap" in cigarettes is a chemical dependency.

It was pretty tough for me to kick the smoking issue. Without vaping, I couldn't quit.[/QUOTE]
The premise is much simpler it's a chemical dependency how the mind interprets and associates the dependency is different for everyone. I myself quit cigarettes multiple times and my favorite nicotine introduction method is oral..

 

[Ol'DocPorter]

i am getting slightly confused,
doc are you saying cigarettes have no phsical addition to them. Its all in your mind???
I can see that
and all teh withdrawl symptoms that are reported that are physical like,
getting a cold
headaches
etc
are not from withdrawl but form the body purging all the nastiness we inhaled while smoking that built up in our system

am I on the right page?

Awesome! Very close! Some effects are actually from the serotonin crash, much like when caffeine wears off. It's not that severe and we go through it all the time. All these crazy varied symptoms are created in the mind, and are quite real, yet are only a form of hysteria. Did you know that one form of asthma is completely psychosomatic, entirely in the patient's head, yet is deadly! You can literally kill yourself by believing anti-smokers! As luck would have it, I happen to know the cure for every psychosomatic disorder, and have used it to overcome not only withdrawal symptoms, but clinical depression, anxiety disorder, and panic disorder.

 

[Ol'DocPorter]

Correct.

Hand to mouth is a mental habit.

The "crap" in cigarettes is a chemical dependency.

It was pretty tough for me to kick the smoking issue. Without vaping, I couldn't quit.
The premise is much simpler it's a chemical dependency how the mind interprets and associates the dependency is different for everyone. I myself quit cigarettes multiple times and my favorite nicotine introduction method is oral..

Nicotine has been repeatedly proven to not cause dependency. The only study that purportedly "proves" otherwise is based upon an untested theory, which they refuse to test as they know that the results will prove their preconceived conclusion wrong. You have been lied to, my friend.

 

[Mattp169]

see i was always lead to believe that ts not nicotine that is the issue with addiction. Nicotine does effect you, mostly in good ways in low doses
but its everything that is put into a cigarette that makes you addicted to them and combine that with all the pschological things like, the first morning cigarette, taking a break from work while smoking, the after meal cigarette, hand to mouth etc etc
That all combines to make it extremely difficult for most to quit smoking.
So I always thought it was part in your head and part a physical dependency

Im no expert, hell i dont even care that much. If the withdrawal symptoms people encounter are physical or in their head or physical after being created by your head. It all sounds like addiction to me and all addiction regardless of symptoms, regardless of if they are all in your head or not can be beat with strong enough will power. I just never had the will power to quit smoking so i SWITCHED to vaping

 

[Ol'DocPorter]

see i was always lead to believe that ts not nicotine that is the issue with addiction. Nicotine does effect you, mostly in good ways in low doses
but its everything that is put into a cigarette that makes you addicted to them and combine that with all the pschological things like, the first morning cigarette, taking a break from work while smoking, the after meal cigarette, hand to mouth etc etc
That all combines to make it extremely difficult for most to quit smoking.
So I always thought it was part in your head and part a physical dependency

Im no expert, hell i dont even care that much. If the withdrawal symptoms people encounter are physical or in their head or physical after being created by your head. It all sounds like addiction to me and all addiction regardless of symptoms, regardless of if they are all in your head or not can be beat with strong enough will power. I just never had the will power to quit smoking so i SWITCHED to vaping

Very well put.

 

[stevegmu]

Interesting response. I wasn't seeing trolling in this thread, merely a different point of view - which didn't seem out of line to me!

I think when some don't agree with the consensus they are called trolls...One must not think for themselves...

 

[NGAHaze]

As luck would have it, I happen to know the cure for every psychosomatic disorder, and have used it to overcome not only withdrawal symptoms, but clinical depression, anxiety disorder, and panic disorder.

Am I correct in assuming your cure is simply will power and the lack of which is why so many people are unable to overcome these conditions?

I'm not trying to be a Steve, I'm just really curious as to what that cure is.

 

[MrScaryZ]

Nicotine has been repeatedly proven to not cause dependency. The only study that purportedly "proves" otherwise is based upon an untested theory, which they refuse to test as they know that the results will prove their preconceived conclusion wrong. You have been lied to, my friend.

I beg to differ, If we both started listing tests, studies the references would fill this forum. Best to leave it at that

 

[UncleRJ]

A) Since nearly all vapers are former or current smokers, it's safe to assume you smoked before you vaped. The first part concerns smoking.

1) How old were you when you started smoking?
15

2) Did you dream or fantasize about smoking before you started?
No

3) Did you start for social reasons (acceptance, fitting in, peer pressure, rebellion), or for other reasons (erotic, sensual, spiritual, curiosity)?
YES

4) Do you have a smoking fetish (whether watching others or eroticising your own smoking)?
Hell NO! I am a bit weird but not that weird!

5) Was there anyone in particular who inspired you to smoke? If so whom?
No. Just wanted to look cool

B) The next section is about vaping.
6) This one is a question of style, not purpose (i.e. flavour chaser is not an option): Are you primarily a "cloud chaser" or a "tootle puffer"?
No

7) If vaping had been available when you started smoking, would you have chosen vaping over smoking?
Not sure

8) Only if you have quit smoking: Did you switch for health reasons alone, or for any other (non health related) reason at all?
Health, Expense and Social

C) the last part is about nicotine itself
9) have you ever looked into the overwhelming evidence of nicotine's positive effects on the brain?
Yes

The last one is kind of long, but please humour me, I beg you.
The story:
In the 1940s, three major tobacco companies began researching the addictiveness of tobacco. After their research was complete, all 3 companies followed different strategies. One company (B&W) began extracting and using liquid nicotine in their cigarettes, and their sales increased a little. The second (RJR) began using higher nicotine yielding tobaccos, and their sales increased a little. Lastly, the third (PM) started extracting anatabine from tobacco, and only added it to a recently rebranded former ladies' cigarette called Marlboro, and within 20 years, it sold more than all other brands combined. They never disclosed this research to the public or the government, and even lobbied very hard to make sure that nicotine would be the only alkaloid tested for by the FTC. Over time, other tobacco companies discovered the secret of Marlboro's success, and the use of heavy dosages of anatabine became the standard.
Fast forward a few decades. A small pharmaceutical company called Star Scientific tested a new smoking cessation drug which turned out to be way more effective than even NRT and vaping combined, but the FDA deemed the drug untested and not legal for sale. That drug was CigRx, and its active ingredient? Anatabine.
The question:

10) If I handed you documentation for the above, and you already know that most ejuice contains no anatabine, and WTA and natural/rolling tobacco contain only trace amounts, would your views on smoking, vaping, and nicotine as a drug change? How?[/QUOTE]
Not really. But I have not looked over those reports and don't intend on devoting the time to doing so.


PS. Try this for your next Survey..

https://www.surveymonkey.com/survey...AliixJTDt_2Ftv_2F5SpzY5ppLcqngq7QQ_2B7w_3D_3D

 

[Mattp169]

I think when some don't agree with the consensus they are called trolls...One must not think for themselves...

nah your a troll not for your difference in opinion, because hell some people agree with you

its how you put your opinion and your condescending attitudes towards those who disagree I dont know how many more ways to say it

You dont state your differing opinion to make a point or to persuade or to educate, you do it to annoy, piss people off, and make yourself seem superior.

Now I may be wrong, but understand that is the way you come across most of the time

 

[Whiskey]

Bravo, in more ways than one

 

[Mattp169]

Bravo, in more ways than one

who are you bravoing

is it me
pick me pick me
lol

 

[f1r3b1rd]

nah your a troll not for your difference in opinion, because hell some people agree with you

its how you put your opinion and your condescending attitudes towards those who disagree I dont know how many more ways to say it

You dont state your differing opinion to make a point or to persuade or to educate, you do it to annoy, piss people off, and make yourself seem superior.

Now I may be wrong, but understand that is the way you come across most of the time

Truth! this should be made the definition of an internet troll.

 

[Whiskey]

who are you bravoing

is it me
pick me pick me
lol

Ok you win, it's you, you been Bravo'd

 

[Mattp169]

Ok you win, it's you, you been Bravo'd

YEAH ME!!!!

 

[Whiskey]

Where the fuck is Teresa at.......come get him girl.......

 

[MrScaryZ]

nah your a troll not for your difference in opinion, because hell some people agree with you

its how you put your opinion and your condescending attitudes towards those who disagree I dont know how many more ways to say it

You dont state your differing opinion to make a point or to persuade or to educate, you do it to annoy, piss people off, and make yourself seem superior.

Now I may be wrong, but understand that is the way you come across most of the time

So in some ways you have become the anti-troll troll?

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[Whiskey]

So in some ways you have become the anti-troll troll?

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And you being the anti-troll-troll-troller

 

[MrScaryZ]

And you being the anti-troll-troll-troller

Wow now I have a purpose yay!

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[Karebear]

I think when some don't agree with the consensus they are called trolls...One must not think for themselves...

But what your saying is exactly the consensus of the antis. You must be the best rule follower ever, if the rule is to not think for yourself, all you do is parrot the anti party line

 

[Whiskey]

But what your saying is exactly the consensus of the antis. You must be the best rule follower ever, if the rule is to not think for yourself, all you do is parrot the anti party line

Psssttt look at his signature

 

[Karebear]

Psssttt look at his signature

Agent for Nonconforming Truth and common Sense........... more like:
Moron for Conformist Lies and lack of Sense

 

[BigNasty]

Mu is his own worst enema.
So fucking full of himself and his own delusional shit he actually believes it.

 

[Mattp169]

So in some ways you have become the anti-troll troll?

Sent from my C6740N using Tapatalk

ya know i was already feeling this myself and thought maybe im beating a dead horse. cuz im trying to help the guy really i am. I like when differing views are presented in a civil conversation.So new blood with new views can be nice. but not when its full of condescending rudeness

 

[stevegmu]

But what your saying is exactly the consensus of the antis. You must be the best rule follower ever, if the rule is to not think for yourself, all you do is parrot the anti party line

I don't know these 'antis'. If one thinks nicotine and smoking are addictive they are anti vaping or anti smoking? That's ridiculous... I'm all for choice to smoke or vape; I just don't sugarcoat the addiction part of it...

 

[stevegmu]

Psssttt look at his signature

That's a joke for certain people...

 

[Ol'DocPorter]

Am I correct in assuming your cure is simply will power and the lack of which is why so many people are unable to overcome these conditions?

I'm not trying to be a Steve, I'm just really curious as to what that cure is.

The cure is ADVANCED MEDITATIVE PRACTICE, like TM, zen, Jung's active imagination, self hypnosis, etc. Any practice which gives your conscious mind control over psychosomatic mechanisms, thereby liberating your health from your own subconscious, which, in Americans, is nearly completely programmed by television. These techniques are clinically proven; they work! As for willpower, everyone has it, it's just that most people's are weak. Willpower is much like a muscle, the more you use it, the stronger it becomes, while if you neglect it, it atrophies. It is not damaged by failure, either, but rather it is killed little by little every time you say or think "I don't have the willpower"; believing this phrase, even for a moment, is detrimental to your life even in ways you do not yet understand.

 

[Ol'DocPorter]

I beg to differ, If we both started listing tests, studies the references would fill this forum. Best to leave it at that

Yes, but if, in the spirit of fairness, we were to disqualify any "bought and paid for" studies performed on behalf of either dishonest big tobacco or their equally dishonest opponents, we will be left with only less than 50 studies, and I have actually read all of these, as well as most of the bullshit studies mentioned earlier. You see, I would never, ever arrive at a conclusion before taking into account all sides of an issue, and weighing it out logically. This is called critical thought. The opposite of this would be to say, "I'm not an expert, they are, so I'll deffer to them without looking into it myself." This kind of intellectual laziness is rampant in the world right now, and it is how the "experts" get away with lying to us continually. Here's how I operate: "I use nicotine. I hear a negative thing about it. I check out every single last piece of scientific material I can get my hands on. then I read all criticism and rebuttals from all sources available. I weigh it all out, keeping in mind the scientific facts I already know by direct experience. I make the only logical decision in cases of fact, or the only harmonious-with-fact decision in the case of an opinion." Anyone (Steve) who does not spend months poring over the information, then even more time deliberating, but instead believes anything said by lying talking heads and "doctors" on the payroll of the American Heritage Foundation, has no call to ever argue against anything I have to say on the matter, or he will be summarily buried in logic, and become the laughing stock, pointed at by anyone with at least a few rational cells up there.

Sorry, Z. but I refuse to post directly to this turd.

 

[MrScaryZ]

Yes, but if, in the spirit of fairness, we were to disqualify any "bought and paid for" studies performed on behalf of either dishonest big tobacco or their equally dishonest opponents, we will be left with only less than 50 studies, and I have actually read all of these, as well as most of the bullshit studies mentioned earlier. You see, I would never, ever arrive at a conclusion before taking into account all sides of an issue, and weighing it out logically. This is called critical thought. The opposite of this would be to say, "I'm not an expert, they are, so I'll deffer to them without looking into it myself." This kind of intellectual laziness is rampant in the world right now, and it is how the "experts" get away with lying to us continually. Here's how I operate: "I use nicotine. I hear a negative thing about it. I check out every single last piece of scientific material I can get my hands on. then I read all criticism and rebuttals from all sources available. I weigh it all out, keeping in mind the scientific facts I already know by direct experience. I make the only logical decision in cases of fact, or the only harmonious-with-fact decision in the case of an opinion." Anyone (Steve) who does not spend months poring over the information, then even more time deliberating, but instead believes anything said by lying talking heads and "doctors" on the payroll of the American Heritage Foundation, has no call to ever argue against anything I have to say on the matter, or he will be summarily buried in logic, and become the laughing stock, pointed at by anyone with at least a few rational cells up there.

Sorry, Z. but I refuse to post directly to this turd.

Yes, but if, in the spirit of fairness, we were to disqualify any "bought and paid for" studies performed on behalf of either dishonest big tobacco or their equally dishonest opponents, we will be left with only less than 50 studies, and I have actually read all of these, as well as most of the bullshit studies mentioned earlier. You see, I would never, ever arrive at a conclusion before taking into account all sides of an issue, and weighing it out logically. This is called critical thought. The opposite of this would be to say, "I'm not an expert, they are, so I'll deffer to them without looking into it myself." This kind of intellectual laziness is rampant in the world right now, and it is how the "experts" get away with lying to us continually. Here's how I operate: "I use nicotine. I hear a negative thing about it. I check out every single last piece of scientific material I can get my hands on. then I read all criticism and rebuttals from all sources available. I weigh it all out, keeping in mind the scientific facts I already know by direct experience. I make the only logical decision in cases of fact, or the only harmonious-with-fact decision in the case of an opinion." Anyone (Steve) who does not spend months poring over the information, then even more time deliberating, but instead believes anything said by lying talking heads and "doctors" on the payroll of the American Heritage Foundation, has no call to ever argue against anything I have to say on the matter, or he will be summarily buried in logic, and become the laughing stock, pointed at by anyone with at least a few rational cells up there.

Sorry, Z. but I refuse to post directly to this turd.

There has to be burden of proof which so far has not been established.. I am not arguing against or for your position..
If I have missed this I will go back

 

[Ol'DocPorter]

There has to be burden of proof which so far has not been established.. I am not arguing against or for your position..
If I have missed this I will go back

It's not you, Z. Sorry.

 

[Ol'DocPorter]

Hey, didja all catch the cool, intelligently used phrase "burden of proof" that ScaryZ just used? That shows he at least reads epistemological works, unlike some people here, hloupý debil.
And an important concept it is, too, this burden of proof. this rule states that the burden of proof always rests upon the party making a positive ascertation, such as "nicotine causes dependency". This means the one making this claim must provide absolutely undeniable proof of his claim, or shut up. To keep arguing is intellectually dishonest and debate suicide. Now, the other side of this argument is the acceptance of what is called the "universal negative" or a simple "no, it doesn't. Where's the proof?" This side of the argument does not require any proof at all, as logically, no one can ever prove a negative.
Now, there exists a very shitty tactic, used by dishonest scumbags when they realize they've lost the debate, called "shifting the burden of proof" This is used when the loser's bruised ego or political ideology (like anti-vaping), will not allow him to admit defeat, and is more important to him than honesty. How this is done is very simple, and I'm certain you have all seen it a thousand times; it's when someone says "Well, can you prove it doesn't?" The universally correct answer to this question is always: "Of course not. Nobody can prove a negative. That's impossible. The negative is to be accepted until the other side has 100% convincing proof." It really is that simple, folks. Any time anyone asks for proof when you are stating the negative, It's a pretty safe bet that that person cannot be trusted. Na tebe dívá , Steve.

 

[MrScaryZ]

It's not you, Z. Sorry.

 

[Ol'DocPorter]

It's withdrawals, trust me. As a former, recovered drug addict, I can safely ascertain that the physical and emotional angst I experienced quitting smoking was my body withdrawing not just from nicotine (I started vaping at a much lower level than I smoked), but from all the other "drugs" that cigarettes contain. I was hateful, I was rude, I got night sweats, shakes, and sometimes nausea. Sometimes I think that subconsciously that was one of the reasons I didn't successfully quit sooner than I did. I just didn't want to go through that again.
I venture to say that the last 3+ years I smoked, I did out of necessity, not pleasure. I hated the taste, I hated the smell, and I certainly hated the expense. But I was hooked, I had to do it, just like the met* I was addicted to so many years ago. I'm a very strong-willed person. If any of that had been "all in my head," I'd have had no problems.

I actually had a gram a day habit myself 25 years ago. I feel for you. That was before I discovered the metaphysical world, and boy, did I suffer. First, I slept for 3 days straight. Then spent the next 3 months on suicide watch. It was a living hell! But if the same thing were to happen to me now, I know without a doubt that I would be able to put down the straw and the pills and what have you, and walk away only dealing with whatever clinical damage I had done to my body, and no withdrawals, because I am now stronger than suggestion. BTW, I think you are a truly beautiful person, based on your posts here.

 

[Teresa P]

I actually had a gram a day habit myself 25 years ago. I feel for you. That was before I discovered the metaphysical world, and boy, did I suffer. First, I slept for 3 days straight. Then spent the next 3 months on suicide watch. It was a living hell! But if the same thing were to happen to me now, I know without a doubt that I would be able to put down the straw and the pills and what have you, and walk away only dealing with whatever clinical damage I had done to my body, and no withdrawals, because I am now stronger than suggestion. BTW, I think you are a truly beautiful person, based on your posts here.

And you're very sweet, thank you. Dealing with all that on my own made me a much stronger person but if I hadn't been so foolish to do it to begin with, I wouldn't have had to find that out. I never judge anyone with an addiction or vice. Everyone makes mistakes. It's the ones who keep repeating the same ones that I have a problem with.

 

[MrScaryZ]

This

And you're very sweet, thank you. Dealing with all that on my own made me a much stronger person but if I hadn't been so foolish to do it to begin with, I wouldn't have had to find that out. I never judge anyone with an addiction or vice. Everyone makes mistakes. It's the ones who keep repeating the same ones that I have a problem with.

 

[Ol'DocPorter]

A) Since nearly all vapers are former or current smokers, it's safe to assume you smoked before you vaped. The first part concerns smoking.

1) How old were you when you started smoking?
15

2) Did you dream or fantasize about smoking before you started?
No

3) Did you start for social reasons (acceptance, fitting in, peer pressure, rebellion), or for other reasons (erotic, sensual, spiritual, curiosity)?
YES

4) Do you have a smoking fetish (whether watching others or eroticising your own smoking)?
Hell NO! I am a bit weird but not that weird!

5) Was there anyone in particular who inspired you to smoke? If so whom?
No. Just wanted to look cool

B) The next section is about vaping.
6) This one is a question of style, not purpose (i.e. flavour chaser is not an option): Are you primarily a "cloud chaser" or a "tootle puffer"?
No

7) If vaping had been available when you started smoking, would you have chosen vaping over smoking?
Not sure

8) Only if you have quit smoking: Did you switch for health reasons alone, or for any other (non health related) reason at all?
Health, Expense and Social

C) the last part is about nicotine itself
9) have you ever looked into the overwhelming evidence of nicotine's positive effects on the brain?
Yes

The last one is kind of long, but please humour me, I beg you.
The story:
In the 1940s, three major tobacco companies began researching the addictiveness of tobacco. After their research was complete, all 3 companies followed different strategies. One company (B&W) began extracting and using liquid nicotine in their cigarettes, and their sales increased a little. The second (RJR) began using higher nicotine yielding tobaccos, and their sales increased a little. Lastly, the third (PM) started extracting anatabine from tobacco, and only added it to a recently rebranded former ladies' cigarette called Marlboro, and within 20 years, it sold more than all other brands combined. They never disclosed this research to the public or the government, and even lobbied very hard to make sure that nicotine would be the only alkaloid tested for by the FTC. Over time, other tobacco companies discovered the secret of Marlboro's success, and the use of heavy dosages of anatabine became the standard.
Fast forward a few decades. A small pharmaceutical company called Star Scientific tested a new smoking cessation drug which turned out to be way more effective than even NRT and vaping combined, but the FDA deemed the drug untested and not legal for sale. That drug was CigRx, and its active ingredient? Anatabine.
The question:

10) If I handed you documentation for the above, and you already know that most ejuice contains no anatabine, and WTA and natural/rolling tobacco contain only trace amounts, would your views on smoking, vaping, and nicotine as a drug change? How?

Not really. But I have not looked over those reports and don't intend on devoting the time to doing so.


PS. Try this for your next Survey..

https://www.surveymonkey.com/survey...AliixJTDt_2Ftv_2F5SpzY5ppLcqngq7QQ_2B7w_3D_3D[/QUOTE]
Thanks, RJ.

 

[Ol'DocPorter]

Well, between this thread, and that other, hopeless jumble of a thread, I believe I have the answers I was looking for. Karebear and I must be going soon, but before we leave, we would both like to answer any last questions, and bid all of you a happy Giftsgiving Day! You have all been a lot of fun, even Steve.

20 years ago, Karen (Karebear) and Howard (Ol'DocPorter) Porter

 

[MrScaryZ]

Well, between this thread, and that other, hopeless jumble of a thread, I believe I have the answers I was looking for. Karebear and I must be going soon, but before we leave, we would both like to answer any last questions, and bid all of you a happy Giftsgiving Day! You have all been a lot of fun, even Steve.

20 years ago, Karen (Karebear) and Howard (Ol'DocPorter) Porter

I feel sad. I admit I at first did not know how to take you all. Now I do understand even with the limitations of a forum and the virtual world we now live in.I hope you visit again or stop in at least to spread some much-needed Logic on this community. I had to think and I like that.
You will have to forgive me for such a vague reply but one of my Huskies got loose last night and was shot to death by a neighbour so I am not right..

 

[Mattp169]

1. where are you guys going that you cant post on an internet forum?
2. @MrScaryZ is your neighbor still alive?

 

[MrScaryZ]

1. where are you guys going that you cant post on an internet forum?
2. @MrScaryZ is your neighbor still alive?

Thanks for ask yes and he will remain so Texas law is tough.. Its funny how someone can shoot a huge overly large Pure white AKC Husky because they think he is a violent with a shotgun. I mean you know so many Huge Pure white dogs are running around wild.. He is a fucktard and is afraid he called the Sherrif and they warned me not to retaliate..

 

[Karebear]

I feel sad. I admit I at first did not know how to take you all. Now I do understand even with the limitations of a forum and the virtual world we now live in.I hope you visit again or stop in at least to spread some much-needed Logic on this community. I had to think and I like that.
You will have to forgive me for such a vague reply but one of my Huskies got loose last night and was shot to death by a neighbour so I am not right..

I am so sorry about your loss, my friend.

 

[Karebear]

1. where are you guys going that you cant post on an internet forum?
2. @MrScaryZ is your neighbor still alive?

We are going on a journey, where internet can not reach.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

@MrScaryZ sorry to hear of your loss bro