Can a person downgrade from Subohm Sucessfully?

Hi All Vapers

Just a question as I have been pondering my vaping career. I read all over the forum about people as they enter the vaping community asking questions about upgrading and what equipment they should choose. Of course there are many answers to these questions but mostly it all depends on the individual. My question is exactly the opposite. Can a person successfully downgrade and which steps should they take.

I started vaping with a V2 cig, then moved to a Halo and then to the MVP with Nautilus mini (BVC coil). The MVP with Nautilus was where I finally gave up a 20+ year smoking habit. From there I went to the IVP 3 and Atlantis original. I have been in the incredible subtank wars (check out the amazing thread we have here at VU on the subject) now since January. I have tried, purchased and thought about many of the sub-ohm tanks out there and each day I see new ones. One to the main topic.

We all know or strongly believe that Vaping is safer than smoking and I am a firm believer and supporter of Vaping and Vapors rights. I have shown, demonstrated and spoke to countless people about the benefits of vaping over smoking. Some I have converted and others I have not had success with. Its all good because at least I have shown them other alternatives exist… HOWEVER, there is still a certain amount of risk that all of us vapers take and we are aware of them and take as many precautions as we can. As I have been sub-ohm vaping, I keep coming back to my main point on why I took up vaping. That was to get off cigs and I would eventually no longer need to vape either.

I have been able to bring myself from 24 mg of Nic to 0 and it works. I love vaping but I feel it may be time now for me to begin cutting back on my vaping or at least my vaping styple. I do chain vape my sub-ohm tanks A LOT and I mean approx 20+ mls a day. That may not be a lot for some but I feel it is certainly quite a bit. Although I do love my sub-ohms and the vapor and flavor that my devices produce, I am seriously considering taking a step backwards towards a more traditional style of Vape. I enjoy my SX M with temp and maybe I will go with something that I can still utilize the temp control for awhile.

So the real question is have any of you experienced or know of others who have been able to successfully down grade the vaping style without crashing completely. Is there a recommended path on devices to use or do you have a preference on these. Like I said, I did use the Nautalis Mini early on. I found myself a bit unsatisfied with it but it got me off smokes. Maybe with the Nickel coils it will be better…. I haven’t kept up with traditional vape styles as I have been heavily into the sub-ohm world so I am unsure of what new devices are available that are not junk…

Any thoughts you have would be greatly appreciated as I am pondering this next step in life. Thank you for taking the time to read through this rambling……

Your friend, The Devil…

Much luck. I'm sure you can do it. I would think it would be easier than the steps you have already made, but I can't say I know anyone who has done it.

You're gonna be strugglin man. Once you get to a certain "satisfaction level", it's damn hard to go back down. I'd work on cutting down the amount of juice you go through first, then maybe switch back to the Nautilus.
I switch back and forth from a 20w istick with a nautilus to a 50w istick with the delta II. When I use the 20 watter I feel like I'm being deprived, but I can eventually get what I need from it. It just takes a while.
Good luck.

AntDog said:

You're gonna be strugglin man. Once you get to a certain "satisfaction level", it's damn hard to go back down. I'd work on cutting down the amount of juice you go through first, then maybe switch back to the Nautilus.
I switch back and forth from a 20w istick with a nautilus to a 50w istick with the delta II. When I use the 20 watter I feel like I'm being deprived, but I can eventually get what I need from it. It just takes a while.
Good luck.

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Thanks for the reply. I too felt deprived with the Nautilus but def went through much less juice and was able to quit the analogs. Since I DIY with juice I am not concerned about making more, it more of a factor of reducing the amount of vapor I am taking in. With the more traditional style of vape, the production of vaper is def much less that subohm but again, its the satisfaction that I am sure I will struggle with.

I have used the Istick 30w and the GS air after using a dripper and I found that I actually prefer it (sometimes.) Now, I haven't fully gotten off of my dripper, but I feel like once you have those types of clouds and that flavor it is nearly impossible to come completely down again. Plus the GS air is just a really good tank. Its only like 1.5 mls, but the wick is rated up to 20w. I wish you luck!

I'm assuming that you lung inhale on the sub-ohm. You might try doing mouth only inhales at least part of the time. You'd still get the flavor but not the vapor in your lungs, which is where almost all of the concern about vaping lies. Probably 85-90% of my vaping is now mouth only inhales.

I think you can switch quite successfully. I have a vape store so I have access to just about everything. And I've tried just about everything. But now my 'go-to' device is a little 20 watt Joyetech egrip using a 1.5ohm coil. I go through about 3-4 mls/day (6mg) liquid.

I wasn't trying to cut back on vaping or anything like that - it simply turned out that my favorite flavor tastes like used dishwater at low ohms.

Eliquid flavors are weird. So much depends on the formulation of the liquid and the setup you're using. If you're serious about trying to cut back, I'd suggest getting a mid-range system and then searching out liquids specifically for that setup. I obviously favor the egrip (I have four of them ) but my younger son likes the Aspire Nautilus. There are other good ones out there.

In terms of lung vs mouth hits - the airflow obviously won't be as great on the mid-range tanks. Either get a driptip with adjustable airflow or - even simpler - try not closing your lips totally around the driptip (i.e. inhale a little air alongside the vapor). I lung-hit with my egrip and get a totally respectable cloud. Obviously nothing like big setups but I'm very satisfied with it.

Good luck.

Barbara E. said:

I think you can switch quite successfully. I have a vape store so I have access to just about everything. And I've tried just about everything. But now my 'go-to' device is a little 20 watt Joyetech egrip using a 1.5ohm coil. I go through about 3-4 mls/day (6mg) liquid.

I wasn't trying to cut back on vaping or anything like that - it simply turned out that my favorite flavor tastes like used dishwater at low ohms.

Eliquid flavors are weird. So much depends on the formulation of the liquid and the setup you're using. If you're serious about trying to cut back, I'd suggest getting a mid-range system and then searching out liquids specifically for that setup. I obviously favor the egrip (I have four of them ) but my younger son likes the Aspire Nautilus. There are other good ones out there.

In terms of lung vs mouth hits - the airflow obviously won't be as great on the mid-range tanks. Either get a driptip with adjustable airflow or - even simpler - try not closing your lips totally around the driptip (i.e. inhale a little air alongside the vapor). I lung-hit with my egrip and get a totally respectable cloud. Obviously nothing like big setups but I'm very satisfied with it.

Good luck.

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Thank you so much. I shall look at those egrips and of course I am familiar with the nautilus setups. Any other new tanks out there that may fit the bill? Reduction in vapor is not such a major concern at the moment. Even if I hit it as much as I do my big setups it will still be less than I currently am. I have found that by mixing my own Juice the percentages have to be higher in sub ohm setups

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I don't have any advice on downgrading but your post has struck a chord with me. I started vaping to get off cigarettes, not find a new addiction. I own a Subtank Mini but I have decided to only use 1.2 ohm coils with it. I have been tempted to start using the 0.5 ohm coils to get MORE vapor, but whats the point? I am satisfied with the vape I get at 1.2 ohm so I am stopping at this point. I fear the 0.5ohm coil & more vapor will just get me deeper into a different addiction.

TheVapingDevil said:

Thank you so much. I shall look at those egrips and of course I am familiar with the nautilus setups. Any other new tanks out there that may fit the bill? Reduction in vapor is not such a major concern at the moment. Even if I hit it as much as I do my big setups it will still be less than I currently am. I have found that by mixing my own Juice the percentages have to be higher in sub ohm setups

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Not a new tank, but I highly recommend a Kayfun/Russian 91% if you want to cut back, but still have satisfying flavor. Even with all my sub ohm tanks, I still keep the Russian loaded and hit on it off and on all day.

I "downgrade" several times a day - whenever I use my Egrip to stealth-vape at work. I enjoy my full-size cloud machines, but I enjoy the little Egrip equally. I'd have no problem using the Egrip all day long and giving up on the cloud machines.

On the subject of giving up an addiction to replace it with another: I, for one, never wanted to quit smoking. Or rather, I wanted to keep smoking but I didn't want the many side effects that come with it, and that interfere with my other passion - cycling. I really did enjoy my cigars! When I started vaping, it got me off smoking. Then I realized I could replace quality smoking with quality vaping. So that's what I do. Vaping is my new - rather harmless - addiction and I have no qualms about it. I like my beer, I like my vape, I like my bikes. When I die younger than those who live like monks, I'll be glad I'll have had a more enjoyable life than them, albeit a tad shorter.

RobbieR said:

I don't have any advice on downgrading but your post has struck a chord with me. I started vaping to get off cigarettes, not find a new addiction. I own a Subtank Mini but I have decided to only use 1.2 ohm coils with it. I have been tempted to start using the 0.5 ohm coils to get MORE vapor, but whats the point? I am satisfied with the vape I get at 1.2 ohm so I am stopping at this point. I fear the 0.5ohm coil & more vapor will just get me deeper into a different addiction.

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I hear ya man. I started with the 1.8 Nautalis and it was fine. Once I dove into subohm, holy crap the vapor and flavor are out of this world but now I find myself a little panic stricken with the thought of coming back to a more traditional vape. I am sloooooooowly vaping less in hopes that I can make it back successfully without a complete crash and burn lolololol

If you got off cigarettes with a 1.8 Nautilus you should have no problem going back to a Nautilus from Sub Ohm vaping. I can't imagine the addiction level from sub ohm vaping is even close to cigarettes. I actually prefer the flavor from a Nautilus over my Subtank Mini and I am considering going back to one myself for my daily vaping.

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If you got off cigarettes with a 1.8 Nautilus you should have no problem going back to a Nautilus from Sub Ohm vaping. I can't imagine the addiction level from sub ohm vaping is even close to cigarettes. I actually prefer the flavor from a Nautilus over my Subtank Mini and I am considering going back to one myself for my daily vaping.

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I am determined to make it work. Even if I have several of them around all with different flavors in them it should work. Trying to figure out if I can wind a coil for my lemo 2 with high enough resistance and still fit on the deck. Pretty sure it wont be nickle but if it works then its all good

I go back and forth every day. I use my Subtank during my commute but switch to an Aerotank at work until the drive home. At home I rotate between the Aero, Sub, Russin, a Genny and sometimes a dripper. It's like having beer on day and Whiskey the next
Maybe just look at it like reducing your mg. and slowly transition to back mainly to standard tank.