I've heard numerous reviews about these batteries, good and bad. From what you all know, are these safe?
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Are these ok?
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Imren 3.7v 2600mah
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Ok cool. I've been using them in a regulated mod. I'll look for better and longer lasting batteries. These die pretty quick
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I've heard numerous reviews about these batteries, good and bad. From what you all know, are these safe?
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They're definitely not 38A or 2600mAh but they should be fine up to 60W or so.
What wattage do you vape at? Up to 60W-65W the 3000mAh LG HG2 is tough to beat,
For the most part I'll vape around 40-45. I've been wanting to go higher but with the battery life, I'll be changing it in about and hour...or less
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Damn straight! Very good battery life. I've got 6 of them.
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Look at the HG2's...
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I forgot all about those, next time I order batteries I think I'll try those and the new mxjo's
The new green wrapper Sammys are supposed to be a slight different chemistry to improve the number of life cycles..otherwise the same battery spec wise.
Mooch, start posting your test results here like you do on reddit. It's a big help to the community.
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Seconded!!!!
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Be happy to, didn't want to post them until I had a chance to become a better member of the community.
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I just picked up a set of Samsung 20Rs that came in the green wrappers. They have a label on them that says they are 3000Mah.
I don't know if they are 3000Mah or not, but I've been using them for 19 hours now, but only at 12.5 watts, in a Sigelei 150 TC and I've still got 74% left in them. They appear to be authentic Sammys to me.
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The 20R sammys are 2000 mah...Samsung has 30Q that is 3000mah but 15 amps... not 20 like the LG HG2's.
Yea, at 12 watts you should get wonderful battery life...you can use a much lower amp cell with alot more MAH capacity also if you wanted at 12 watts...What tank and ohms you using?
On it I was using a Subtank Mini with .50 coils. After I got the green 20Rs I did some searching online and actually did find some sites with 3000Mah 20Rs listed. They're supposed to be 22 amps the specs on those 3000s I found said. Maybe they're new. The 30Qs were purple wrapped I believe. The ones I have certainly look like authentic Sammys, and they definitely say 3000Mah 20R on them. Maybe they are, maybe they're not.
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Havent heard of those if they are..Would be nice though if it turns out to be...Something to possibly compare to the LG HG2's.
Yeah, I saw that site too and it looks like the same batteries I got. It says they're a brand new battery but who knows if they're really 3000s. They cost me 8.50 for a pair with free shipping so if they don't last I'm not out much but they're performing well so far. LOL
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Yeah I'll try to do that for you later. They're in the Sig with the skin tight silicone case on it now, but next time I have them out I'll take a pic. They look exactly like those on that site though but they have a paper label stuck on them too that says 18650 3.7V 3000Mah. I was surprised to see that when I opened them.
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You can post them here in battey junkies, that's fine, create a thread and keep them all in the one thread so it is easy for the members to findBe happy to, didn't want to post them until I had a chance to become a better member of the community.
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Would be good to see some actual discharge curves rather than just opinion, so I'd love to see them posted here. Saves me having to go to ECF.....
Would also be good to see the retail price of branded cells and compare to an OEM. I tend to find people can react badly when you question their safety, and some can be brand loyal and protective of the specific brand they buy. This is why I tend to talk about the money that can be saved using OEM cells. More money left for juice AND you know exactly what you're buying. Put that across and more people may think about what they buy.
Would also be good to see the retail price of branded cells and compare to an OEM. I tend to find people can react badly when you question their safety, and some can be brand loyal and protective of the specific brand they buy. This is why I tend to talk about the money that can be saved using OEM cells. More money left for juice AND you know exactly what you're buying. Put that across and more people may think about what they buy.
@Mooch, those purple 30Qs are not the ones I got. Mine are green and say 20R on them. On the second line, instead of SDI, mine say SDIEM. And they have a label stuck on them stating they are 3000mAH.
I don't know for sure what they are, but they're working really well so that's what matters to me.
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As long as they work good..at 12 watts even a 2000mah battery would last a good bit of time.
I doubt they are 3000 mah though if they are 20 R batteries....Makes no sense for samsung to keep the same model number but completely change the battery...Maybe if it said 30R but i can find nothing of a "new" 20r being 3000mah...If this was the case everyone would have these new cells..I think they were mis advertised or a scam.
My bet is, if you actually went with the 30Q cells youll find them to last even longer than the ones you have now.
I doubt they are 3000 mah though if they are 20 R batteries....Makes no sense for samsung to keep the same model number but completely change the battery...Maybe if it said 30R but i can find nothing of a "new" 20r being 3000mah...If this was the case everyone would have these new cells..I think they were mis advertised or a scam.
My bet is, if you actually went with the 30Q cells youll find them to last even longer than the ones you have now.
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If they're marked 20R and are genuine then they're definitely 2000mAh, 22A cells. They're a bloody cracking battery!
Samsung naming convention uses the first two digits of the capacity, followed by a letter to designate their category. "R" must be their high drain "balls to the wall" designation. "Q" seems to be their mid drain higher capacity range.
Just have a quick look at the top positive on your 20R cells. If the positive has three points of contact where it's joined to the cell I'd be more certain it's authentic. I am on mobile so apologies if your original photo shows the top cap, this forum seems to have formatting issues on Android using Chrome. It's highly unlikely anyone would want to fake the 20 R, in vaping terms it's yesterday's news. Like I say though, they're bloody good!
Very frequently especially if whoever you bought them from got them from china some of the shadier companies just stick any label on there to get it through customs. Look under the label - if it says 20R they're 2000mAh. Since you say they're green that's probably what they are.
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You can post them here in battey junkies, that's fine, create a thread and keep them all in the one thread so it is easy for the members to find
Great idea, thank you!
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I agree. Just wish I had more time. Already have a pretty big backlog of cells to test, articles to write, etc. Darn good idea though!
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Ack...my bad. Thanks for the explanation!
According to the chart from him, it shows the LG HB6 is the granddaddy of all power..Mah rating is low but, amps wise beat ALL of the high amp cells.
Mooch has some great tests. I'm also redoubling our efforts to run lots of tests. We actually just completed a bunch of testing today to answer a question asked in another thread.
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For me personally, there's no best battery. But the ones I like are...
Up to 20A = HG2
Up to 30A = VTC4 or HD2
Up to 40A = HB6
There are some other frakkin' good batteries out there though...25R, VTC5, 30Q. Not a single rewrap on my list though.
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That's fantastic news! The more testing we have the better.
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Thanks dude, not a fan of rewraps.. I have trust issuesFor me personally, there's no best battery. But the ones I like are...
Up to 20A = HG2
Up to 30A = VTC4 or HD2
Up to 40A = HB6
There are some other frakkin' good batteries out there though...25R, VTC5, 30Q. Not a single rewrap on my list though.
Thirded!
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Your list pretty much matches mine. I'm transitioning to HD2 and 25R mainly but have 8 HB6 on the way too, they're low capacity but great cells in my opinion, like them more than even the VTC3.For me personally, there's no best battery. But the ones I like are...
Up to 20A = HG2
Up to 30A = VTC4 or HD2
Up to 40A = HB6
There are some other frakkin' good batteries out there though...25R, VTC5, 30Q. Not a single rewrap on my list though.
Quick question... Do the HB6 behave nice at just above 30A and the HD2 likewise at 30A? I'll have to dig through and find your tests on them. My HD2 have been good to me, not far off lasting the same as a 2500mAh. Difference is noticeable but at low sub ohms (not major low) on a mech, the high load seems to rob capacity from 25R and HE seriesseries, which closes the gap maybe?
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The HD2 is darn hot at those discharge levels. The HB6 is a fantastic battery but its low capacity means that its voltage drops off quickly. The HD2 and VTC4 were a lot better in 30A pulse tests (4 s on/30s off).
The HB6 is the only battery I recommend for over 30A. In my opinion, it's the only one that won't get dangerously hot in case there is a problem with your mod (autofiring, broken/stuck button, button accidentally pressed in pocket, etc).
The HB6 is the only battery I recommend for over 30A. In my opinion, it's the only one that won't get dangerously hot in case there is a problem with your mod (autofiring, broken/stuck button, button accidentally pressed in pocket, etc).
I think my greens are authentic Sammys but still some doubt that they're 3000s though. I did compare the + end when I first opened them to see if they have the Samsung configuration and they do, and they definitely say 20R so they probably are 2000s. Doesn't really matter to me. I have lots of paired batteries... Sonys, LGs, Sammys and even a few Efests and AWs ( OMG, No ) and I usually swap them out at about 50% anyway. Next time I run these greenies I'll run an RTA or RDA on them at 45-50 watts and see how they hold up. No matter what they are, for the $8.57 I have invested in the pair of them, I don't think I got screwed on them. LOL
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Definitely a great price for 2 batteries...We just got into this discussion based on you saying the 20r's were advertised as being 3000mah which we didnt feel was accurate...i get about a half a day with sammy 2500mah 25R's at 30 watts but mostly a constant use of the mod...maybe a 5 to 6 minute break between taking 6 to 7 pulls from it with say 5 to 6 second pulls.
My VTC4's at 2100mah last just shy of the sammys..by maybe an hour or so.
If they say INR18650-20R on them then they are for sure 2000mAh, no question about it. As I mentioned many companies are careless with those labels they put over the top so that explains the 3000mAh it says on there. The 20R is a really great battery but its talents are being wasted a little on a low power application.
Yeah, they probably are 2000s. When I first opened them and saw that label, I thought No, way. Then I compared the top to see if they even looked to be Sammys, especially since I expected blue wrapping but got green. Then I found some online that advertise them as a new 20R in green that are 3000s, so I thought well maybe they are. Probably someone screwed up when they made the labels and put 3000 on them instead of 2000.
I got some new LG HE4s too that I haven't used yet, but I expect them to be decent. I've been running some HE2s for awhile now.
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I got some new LG HE4s too that I haven't used yet, but I expect them to be decent. I've been running some HE2s for awhile now.
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If youre only vaping at 12 watts you have a few better choices for vape time, thats for sure...lol
I dont even think youre drawing 10 amps, in which you could probably find a battery over 3000mah to use and last you like 3 days..lol