Usually Clapton, due to larger surface area.which is best, i got a 0.23ohm kanthal a1, and just bought some prebuilt claptons 26ga 0.6 each (dual so 0.3)
anyone know which will be better for flavour and clouds?
got a kbox 200 aswell as a smpl modIf you have a regulated device, the clapton is going to be better across the board. If you're running those coils on a mech mod, the .23 standard coil is more optimal.
Also, just to split hairs, claptons are often made of kanthal, too.
This is the smallest reply ive ever seen from you, you sick?If you have a regulated device, the clapton is going to be better across the board. If you're running those coils on a mech mod, the .23 standard coil is more optimal.
Also, just to split hairs, claptons are often made of kanthal, too.
LOL. I was thinking that myself. Maybe a carpel tunnel syndrome?This is the smallest reply ive ever seen from you, you sick?
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Makes sense, due to SS having the least resistance.To use up my Kanthol, I've been making hybrid Claptons. Stainless core, outer wind Kanthol. Temp control works just fine.
This is the smallest reply ive ever seen from you, you sick?
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Haha, I was practically out the door to go have some free Japanese food. Nothing gets between me, sushi, and hibachi steak, understand?LOL. I was thinking that myself. Maybe a carpel tunnel syndrome?
Ill take the Steak ...You can eat the sushiHaha, I was practically out the door to go have some free Japanese food. Nothing gets between me, sushi, and hibachi steak, understand?
I feel that way about beer. Free beer is always good. (once you get over the alcohol poisoning at age 16 , due to free beer) At that time, I was living in Germany, and drinking age for beer was 16.Haha, I was practically out the door to go have some free Japanese food. Nothing gets between me, sushi, and hibachi steak, understand?
People say that sushi is an acquired taste... ...I think they've never had good sushi, granted it is hard to find good sushi stateside.Ill take the Steak ...You can eat the sushi
Haha, that was about the age when I learned to drink... ...the hard way. Looking back, I'm wondering what the grown adult who bought the 151 rum for us was thinking. I became a beer drinker after that. I didn't know it was possible to bypass "drunk" and go into full medical emergency status until that day... ...I earned my medals for surviving that one.I feel that way about beer. Free beer is always good. (once you get over the alcohol poisoning at age 16 , due to free beer) At that time, I was living in Germany, and drinking age for beer was 16.
we all went abit off task here lolIve never had nad sushi, unless its spoiled, but ive never had spoiled sushi.. in more of a sashimi kinda guy, some tuna toro saku, now thats hard to find stateside mostly due to lack of bluefins and abundance of bigeye and yellowfins.
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How much have you really experimented with them, though?Claptons are ok, but my preference is a parallel 26 gauge Kanthal. I have trouble believing wrapping a lot of extra wire that is providing nothing electrically to the circuit somehow improves it. The outer wire is doing absolutely nothing but acting as a heat sink. Claptons heat slower, because you have added mass to your coil. I don't see how trapping juice between the wires is any ore effective than having juiced cotton against hot wire. People swear by them I know. They are even fun to build, I just think they are overrated.
Robot, you never start an argument. I always enjoy reading your replies. Every reply I have ever read from you, has always been well stated. I don't dislike claptons, I just think they are somewhat overrated. I have tried a lot of different types of wire, fused, and anything else we could dream up in the shop. If you look at the cloud comps, wins on parallel builds are pretty common. A guy came into the shop with a set of fused claptons he had built, 24/38 If I remember. We wrapped a set of parallels to the same resistance using Kanthal A1 We tested on the same type RDA, same type mod Set both airflow's to wide open, same wattage, fully charged batteries when we started. They were almost identical in vape production. Everyone that we had test could hardly tell a difference without removing the cap. If anything it was easier to spot the clapton because of the ramp delay, if you were looking for it. I wont give up on claptons, to many people ask for them, and they are a favorite for many people. One thing I've noticed with the claptons, it seems to produce a cooler, dense vape. Parallel may have the same vape density, but it's warmer.How much have you really experimented with them, though?
There are ways around the speed issue. You can use much finer wire and thinner cores. Though even the thin wire adds considerable mass, heat travels across it faster than it does the core, so it does very little to slow the ramp-up time. I'm talking near-instant ramp-up, here... ...literally a 1-second burst of immense vapor.
There are specific applications when you actually want a coil that disperses at least as much heat as it generates. High-powered, regulated mods and series unregulated mods come to mind, here. When paired with a series mod or really anything of comparable power capacity, a clapton helps compensate for all of the heat you get from the extra voltage and therefor wattage per unit of mass.
Standard coils... ...even big-ass .35, dual 22g builds have a tendency to rapidly overheat and burn juice when you pump that sort of power into them. The outer heat-sink that a clapton provides carries out a rather valid and useful function in this case. It is VERY beneficial to have some extra surface area for the heat to disperse across. Ramp-up is the least of your concerns when a .5 goes from silver to yellow-orange in a fraction of a second. The bigger challenge is actually giving that heat somewhere to go other than straight to your lungs.
The nooks and crannies make channels for juice to flow into the heating element and stay there as it heats up. As juice is vaporized from inside the coil, this creates negative pressure that pulls more juice up against the inner surfaces of the coil. It essentially acts as its own wick in that it can both store and transport juice on its own.
In contrast to this, the smooth, flat surface of a standard coil scatters juice when it heats up... ...it essentially pushes juice away from its hottest portions, which puts a limit on how much wicking can really do to regulate temperature and get juice where it needs to be, as it has to compete with that force in order to carry juice to the inner surface. Imagine dropping water onto a hot pan. A standard coil does very much the same thing to juice.
The fact that the clapton is sucking up the juice takes some of the load off of the wicks and helps ensure more consistent and widespread juice-to-coil contact. This not only improves flavor and texture, but greatly decreases the likelihood of dry hits. The juice flows across the coil and disperses more evenly in a clapton coil.
This is very important to note. There are limits to how fast cotton can transport juice on its own. High-power, high-heat, high-surface-area vapers can tell you the countless tales of their wicking woes. When you start pushing things to the edge of what is possible, that extra second or two that the coil is holding onto juice for can make all of the difference in the quality of the vape.
Additionally, not only does the outer wire add mass, but surfaces for the juice to make contact with. More of the mass directly translates to exposed surface area. This means that for each unit of mass, an adequately powered clapton coil will always be able to vaporize significantly more juice than a solid coil of the same mass. That means more flavor, more vapor, and more density.
Essentially, the reason some of us prize our clapton builds so much is because it allows you to squeeze much more mass into a build, pump more power to it, and vaporize more juice than would otherwise be possible with standard coils of equivalent size.
I'm not trying to start an argument over this. I would never say that they are superior to standard coils. I'm just saying that the unique performance of multi-wire coils is not to be overlooked. Depending on what sort of vape you're after, they are pretty much a necessity. There's more to it than us just thinking they work better. When it comes to chasing heat and density, there is a very real line where standard coils start to fall short. We use them because the performance truly is better for that specific goal. Take the theory behind them as you will, but the results are very real.
So don't write them off. Maybe they're not for you, but I'm telling you, there really is something to all of this clapton nonsense! They're not unanimously the best, but there are times when they really are the way to.
I always like threads where @robot zombie is participating, he's very smart, and apparently reads and memorizes everything. I accused him of being an EE major once.I Agree with the Quantum Physics Major Above
I pick on him every time I see a nice juicy reply from him...I would love to see what the hell runs through his mind as he sets out on his typing adventure on these replies...I always like threads where @robot zombie is participating, he's very smart, and apparently reads and memorizes everything. I accused him of being an EE major once.
I like a really warm, full vape. Probably explains a lot, as to my preference. One place I absolutely love claptons, is if when were mixing juice. They hold enough juice, you can get a good hit without cotton. Heat em up, rinse them off and sample again. Much easier than changing wicks all the time.I pick on him every time I see a nice juicy reply from him...I would love to see what the hell runs through his mind as he sets out on his typing adventure on these replies...
I dont like changing cotton sometimes with them...sometimes they hold onto fibers and the smell of them when dry burning fills the house...but claptons/fused claptons last forever.....Thats another plus about them, I have a build in my Twisted Messes RDA that I built in early June that still going strong and looks a week old. Just wick, dryburn, rewick and keep going.I like a really warm, full vape. Probably explains a lot, as to my preference. One place I absolutely love them, is if when were mixing juice. They hold enough juice, you can get a good hit without cotton. Heat em up, rinse them off and sample again. Much easier than changing wicks all the time.
You ever run them under water while they are still hot? They look shiny and new again. I just tilt the mod over so it doesn't get wet, and rinse them under the faucet. All these people talking about their coils gunking up, LOL, I wash mine. Heat em up, rinse em off, good as new. I don't put them under while they are glowing red, but within five seconds of releasing the button, I'll rinse them.I dont like changing cotton sometimes with them...sometimes they hold onto fibers and the smell of them when dry burning fills the house...but claptons/fused claptons last forever.....Thats another plus about them, I have a build in my Twisted Messes RDA that I built in early June that still going strong and looks a week old. Just wick, dryburn, rewick and keep going.
Hey, thanks for the kind words! Your points are well-taken.Robot, you never start an argument. I always enjoy reading your replies. Every reply I have ever read from you, has always been well stated. I don't dislike claptons, I just think they are somewhat overrated. I have tried a lot of different types of wire, fused, and anything else we could dream up in the shop. If you look at the cloud comps, wins on parallel builds are pretty common. A guy came into the shop with a set of fused claptons he had built, 24/38 If I remember. We wrapped a set of parallels to the same resistance using Kanthal A1 We tested on the same type RDA, same type mod Set both airflow's to wide open, same wattage, fully charged batteries when we started. They were almost identical in vape production. Everyone that we had test could hardly tell a difference without removing the cap. If anything it was easier to spot the clapton because of the ramp delay, if you were looking for it. I wont give up on claptons, to many people ask for them, and they are a favorite for many people. One thing I've noticed with the claptons, it seems to produce a cooler, dense vape. Parallel may have the same vape density, but it's warmer.
Lol, yeah, yeah... ...even I couldn't tell you what's going on up there - it's everything and nothing in particular. I have ADHD, so my mind is just always going. I am easily distracted, which can go one of two ways. It's either the stereotypical "OOOO what's this? Oh hey what's that! What's going on over there? Oh now that's interesting...." or I get so caught up in a single distraction that I don't pay attention to anything else for extended periods of time. Either way, my mind is just going in every direction at once. Just rapid-fire bursts of disorganized information. I don't consider myself to be particularly intelligent. I prefer to consider my thoughts qualitatively similar to those of others... ...the quantity is just unusually high, hence my general inability to be brief and tendency to over-think rather simple matters. It makes me prone to connecting bits of info in ways that others may not. That's all.I pick on him every time I see a nice juicy reply from him...I would love to see what the heel runs through his mind as he sets out on his typing adventure on these replies...