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  1. amateur vaper

    amateur vaper Bronze Contributor

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    What i mean by the title is when the strict FDA regulations do get imposed if they do what does anyone think will happen with vaping forums? specifically this one since this is the one I joined and I know other places when regulations have been put in the area that the creator of the site lived in and most of the people who contribute to the forum the site has gotten shut down. So im thinking VU is based in the USA atleast I think it is so my thought is it could get shut down because it has DIY threads and is about vaping in general. Which I think the DIY section would be what gets the site shut down, since doing it yourself would violate the proposed regulations that the FDA wants to put into action mainly the regulation about passing their expectations for them to deem a liquid safe for consumption even the ones about tips and suggestions for building coils could be violating what they want to impose. Its more than just a site about vaping its a community where people come to talk about whatever.
     
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    Nope. The severs are safely overseas.
    Where the FDA would have no jurisdiction.

    This site was designed to be a place for people to have access to harm reduction vaping products even if they become illegal.

    If they outlaw mods there are people on this site that make them.
    If they outlaw flavors there are people here who make DIY eliquid that's as good or better then store bought juice.

    You have nothing to worry about.
     
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    Also there is nothing at all in the deeming regulations that makes DIYing your own eliquid for personal use illegal.
     
  4. amateur vaper

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    Yeah another thing im considering is learning to make my own liquid cause that can save you thousands of dollars cause a jug of like 15000-18000 of 70vg/30pg 12mg per ml is 325$ and thats for 5 gallons. I would only buy that much if the FDA is serious about that bullshit they're proposing
     
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    It would be illegal though because then you would be considered a manufacturer its kind of like growing weed or manufacturing drugs even if for personal use its still illegal same thing pretty much applies here
     
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    I have 3 liters of 100mg/ml nic in my freezer just in case.
    The only thing they can really touch is the nicotine because everything else has legitimate uses outside of vaping.
     
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    yeah im sure with the pg/vg flavoring liquids you could find a loophole like say its for flavoring food or something
     
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    it IS food flavoring :)

    PG = pet safe anti freeze
    VG = making your own soaps and conditioner.

    There are many other uses but those are the first that come to mind.
     
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    I feel like even if they did outlaw liquid nicotine you could still find it overseas if you missed your oppurtunity to get it within your country and even if it was intercepted you'd probably only get a fine atleast i would see at most getting fined to be fit for that situation or just them confiscating it and that being all that they do
     
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    Quick secret = Hiliq sells Nicotine and they declare it as VG to customs.

    They even add a stack of slick paperwork and it doesn't actually say "nicotine" anywhere on the bottle
    They put the mg/ml rating like 100mg/ml or 50mg/ml

    https://www.hiliq.com
     
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    Under the deeming regs, it is only illegal for a vendor to advise on how to use vape gear - not regular people
     
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    This forum does not sell anything, and they can not close us down especially because we are not in the US even tho we cater mostly to US vapers but we do have advertisers, and vendors who may be effected for non compliance but even then who is going to enforce these regulations. They would have to hire hundreds of enforcement agents.
     
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    Well if in the the US vendor shipments would be seized like they did back in 2010 but some smaller personal shipments from China would sneak by since customs can not inspect every small package.
     
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    You seem to know a decent bit about vaping you think this rta is a good deal? because I think it is
    http://www.3fvape.com/rebuildable-a...ss-steel-35ml-24mm-diameter.html#.Wh6cbkqnHIU
     
  16. SMOKIE

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    I have been in this community since 2009

    For that RTA I can not comment since I have never used it, and that vendor is from China so you will have to wait a bit on shipping travel depending where your located but you pay less then buying here from a US vendor. And also never heard of that MFG

    Kindbright

    Do a Google search on it, and go to You Tube to see if any reviews on it.


    Also you need to be careful of clones from some China sites, sites should say authentic if legit of give a MFG name.
     
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    LOL, yeah, I'd say Smokie knows "a decent bit about vaping".....he's probably been vaping since before you were shittin' yellow! (excuse the crude comment, I just like that phrase) Actually he's been making youtube videos about juice and vape gear since forever, he is one of the original youtube reviewers. And, he is a founder of this here site no less. AND, he's a really good guy.
     
  18. amateur vaper

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    yeah i stumbled upon one of his videos about vape bands and remembered him saying smokie here this was a couple weeks before joining and seen his name on a few posts and it took a bit but I put it together that the guy i saw in that video was possibly him then confirmed it
     
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    Kindbright is a cloning company - a lot of people think highly of their mechanical clones -

    No experience with them myself or the Reload authentic either
     
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    And dat's all I have to say about dat. :D

    Andria
     
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    yep Under full deeming reg implementation the FDA may be able to keep anyone from selling food flavorings as vape flavorings.
    Which is I why I suspect that Bull City Flavors changed their name from Bull City Vapors....

    Ie a vape oriented company may not be able to sell Capella flavorings but someone can.

    Same with PG/VG.

    I too have close to 3 liters of 100 mg nic in the freezer.
    Enough at my rate of consumption to last the rest of my life.

    PG also has other uses.
    it is used as a lubricant to deliver livestock that are having problems and require a forced delivery.
    It is used on childrens cough syrup and many other things.
     
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    I you don't like the thread, feel free to not participate :crazy:


    Frankly, with the various and confusing changes to the deeming regs, many vapers seem to have forgotten they exist and as of right now, are still a big threat to the industry
     
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    Yep they still exist and the enforcement is just suspended.
    for now. Supposedly until 2022 I think but that can change in a day.
     
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  24. SMOKIE

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    Everyone will be very aware early enough when to start stocking up when, and if! the time ever comes. So for now just do not worry about it, and go about vaping. But you can help the cause by signing regulation, tax, and flavor ban petitions.



    New Jersey Vapor Rights Coalition  


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    Lol your post didn't bother me I get what your saying I already plan on stocking up between now and then that's like 1/3 the reason I want learn to build my own coils now rather than wait I also have mentioned on here before that I want to learn DIY liquids looks like my thread is stirring up some shiet :teehee:
     
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    Nice to see people defending me though :)
     
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    Also I'm not really new I've been vaping about 9 months now I only first heard of the FDA bullshit last week so I'm just not sure how serious they are about it
     
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  28. SMOKIE

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    Welcome to the VU Amateur vaper, and please do not pay attention to some members in here who try to discourage or throw you off track. Please ask anything vaping related you want, As you see those comments, and argument is no longer posted. Vape on.
     

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