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Family Activity "X", Lets Discuss a mod together...The PVA40
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If you're serious about rebuilding your mod, you can buy inexpensive plastic magnifying sheets that will increase visual graphics 2 - 10X.
Can't seem to get an eBay link to hold in here, so try auction #
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Your talking about Fresnel lens sheets. I bought a pack of 4 from the local dollar store. I keep one in my bag so if I forget my readers, I can still read fine print.
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Ok, wow, as usual...without intending it I've managed to stir up a shit storm of controversy that is leaning towards this going to the mudpit. That was never my intention...but as usual I have plenty of low cal popcorn to go around cause it's one of the fatkid snacks I can still consume in mass quantities on my diet if anyone is interested in I am more happy to share it 
Now to my next an final point in this thread...I am going to play "Devil's Advocate" for both sides of this thing...just for fun because it's me
On one hand we have very strong evidence we all got screwed, we got a mod six months late made cheaply and we got strung along by the noses waiting for it and we're all disappointed on some level, myself included...I was looking forward to a dual battery aluminum mod I could use in place of my vapor shark instead I got a paper weight that still reads resistances a bit low and once I get the thing to read it right it works fantastically in TC mode, but that's only after I get it to realize it's reading cold .02 lower than the coil is and with nickel that's a huge difference. But in normal wattage mode it works dead on and since being .0x off isn't that big of deal with Kanthal and I don't use it out of the house because it's a flipping titanic I am content to use it in temp mode and fiddle with it since I won't ever be able to sell it and get anything for it, or give it away for that matter....
On the other hand....we kinda all knew we were in for some sort of a ride...not this long and not this hard, but something still. For all the faults this was the first time a group of people all threw their money in to create a mod from scratch instead of a normal group buy on something already in the market. We had to have all the molds and and everything created just for us and that does take a little time, not six flipping months (even with Chinese New Year,) but some time yes. And being the first time this was ever attempted, if it was handled properly, it could have been something wonderful...but as with many first attempts it was more fail than not and we're all here having this conversation now. Would I jump on a group by to create a mod from scratch again....hell no....I'm "once bitten, twice shy." But if a group of people ever attempt this a second time they have a reference of how not to do it and maybe the next time, by someone else's hands it might go smoother. Despite all the fails and broken promises and quite frankly a cheaped out mod from what we were told we were going to get materials wise, we still did something never been done and I think this is a good example of why it wasn't done before. Someone had the balls to try it though, and got us all to believe in it, and that's something, and win or loose, we did make vape history....we just made it as "the first custom fail" instead of the "first custom mod designed and paid for by a group of people willing to take a chance."
Bottom line, it was a gamble...and at the time it seemed like a gamble worth taking. If this had gone the other way and we got our mods even in March and they were as promised we would all be having a different conversation right now. Since they went the way they did the doubters and the naysayers were right and I don't see how them gloating about it will make any of us feel better but they're gonna do what their gonna do. In any gamble there's risk and no risk means no reward. I've spent my money on far worse things then this mod and I am sure I will spend money on worse things again....like another trip to the Casino....just as big of gamble, just the only difference is my loss is instant, still doesn't hurt less.
We didn't get what we were promised, but we got something. For a first try at something it could have ended even worse than this and we all know it.
Now I am done playing Devil's advocate and I will say this personally.....I am sorry for everyone the way it turned out, at the time I had the money to spare and thought it was worth a shot...for those who put money up that couldn't afford it but thought it was a sure thing my heart goes out to you. But all we can do now is go on and vape with what we have. I can live with it despite it's flaws, for those who can't I am sorry I helped contribute to putting this thing over it's goal and making it happen....we were all in it together....but I can only accept my part of the blame myself...if I knew how it was going to turn out I would have never been in on it...but we live and learn...and for all it's flaws....it's still the first custom group buy made mod...even if it's not quite how we expected it to turn out....I dunno what else to say....it is what it is
Now to my next an final point in this thread...I am going to play "Devil's Advocate" for both sides of this thing...just for fun because it's me
On one hand we have very strong evidence we all got screwed, we got a mod six months late made cheaply and we got strung along by the noses waiting for it and we're all disappointed on some level, myself included...I was looking forward to a dual battery aluminum mod I could use in place of my vapor shark instead I got a paper weight that still reads resistances a bit low and once I get the thing to read it right it works fantastically in TC mode, but that's only after I get it to realize it's reading cold .02 lower than the coil is and with nickel that's a huge difference. But in normal wattage mode it works dead on and since being .0x off isn't that big of deal with Kanthal and I don't use it out of the house because it's a flipping titanic I am content to use it in temp mode and fiddle with it since I won't ever be able to sell it and get anything for it, or give it away for that matter....
On the other hand....we kinda all knew we were in for some sort of a ride...not this long and not this hard, but something still. For all the faults this was the first time a group of people all threw their money in to create a mod from scratch instead of a normal group buy on something already in the market. We had to have all the molds and and everything created just for us and that does take a little time, not six flipping months (even with Chinese New Year,) but some time yes. And being the first time this was ever attempted, if it was handled properly, it could have been something wonderful...but as with many first attempts it was more fail than not and we're all here having this conversation now. Would I jump on a group by to create a mod from scratch again....hell no....I'm "once bitten, twice shy." But if a group of people ever attempt this a second time they have a reference of how not to do it and maybe the next time, by someone else's hands it might go smoother. Despite all the fails and broken promises and quite frankly a cheaped out mod from what we were told we were going to get materials wise, we still did something never been done and I think this is a good example of why it wasn't done before. Someone had the balls to try it though, and got us all to believe in it, and that's something, and win or loose, we did make vape history....we just made it as "the first custom fail" instead of the "first custom mod designed and paid for by a group of people willing to take a chance."
Bottom line, it was a gamble...and at the time it seemed like a gamble worth taking. If this had gone the other way and we got our mods even in March and they were as promised we would all be having a different conversation right now. Since they went the way they did the doubters and the naysayers were right and I don't see how them gloating about it will make any of us feel better but they're gonna do what their gonna do. In any gamble there's risk and no risk means no reward. I've spent my money on far worse things then this mod and I am sure I will spend money on worse things again....like another trip to the Casino....just as big of gamble, just the only difference is my loss is instant, still doesn't hurt less.
We didn't get what we were promised, but we got something. For a first try at something it could have ended even worse than this and we all know it.
Now I am done playing Devil's advocate and I will say this personally.....I am sorry for everyone the way it turned out, at the time I had the money to spare and thought it was worth a shot...for those who put money up that couldn't afford it but thought it was a sure thing my heart goes out to you. But all we can do now is go on and vape with what we have. I can live with it despite it's flaws, for those who can't I am sorry I helped contribute to putting this thing over it's goal and making it happen....we were all in it together....but I can only accept my part of the blame myself...if I knew how it was going to turn out I would have never been in on it...but we live and learn...and for all it's flaws....it's still the first custom group buy made mod...even if it's not quite how we expected it to turn out....I dunno what else to say....it is what it is
(I feel the same way as you ! It is bad but could have been worse ! Live & Learn , Live & Let Live ! Right ?)Ok, wow, as usual...without intending it I've managed to stir up a shit storm of controversy that is leaning towards this going to the mudpit. That was never my intention...but as usual I have plenty of low cal popcorn to go around cause it's one of the fatkid snacks I can still consume in mass quantities on my diet if anyone is interested in I am more happy to share it
Now to my next an final point in this thread...I am going to play "Devil's Advocate" for both sides of this thing...just for fun because it's me
On one hand we have very strong evidence we all got screwed, we got a mod six months late made cheaply and we got strung along by the noses waiting for it and we're all disappointed on some level, myself included...I was looking forward to a dual battery aluminum mod I could use in place of my vapor shark instead I got a paper weight that still reads resistances a bit low and once I get the thing to read it right it works fantastically in TC mode, but that's only after I get it to realize it's reading cold .02 lower than the coil is and with nickel that's a huge difference. But in normal wattage mode it works dead on and since being .0x off isn't that big of deal with Kanthal and I don't use it out of the house because it's a flipping titanic I am content to use it in temp mode and fiddle with it since I won't ever be able to sell it and get anything for it, or give it away for that matter....
On the other hand....we kinda all knew we were in for some sort of a ride...not this long and not this hard, but something still. For all the faults this was the first time a group of people all threw their money in to create a mod from scratch instead of a normal group buy on something already in the market. We had to have all the molds and and everything created just for us and that does take a little time, not six flipping months (even with Chinese New Year,) but some time yes. And being the first time this was ever attempted, if it was handled properly, it could have been something wonderful...but as with many first attempts it was more fail than not and we're all here having this conversation now. Would I jump on a group by to create a mod from scratch again....hell no....I'm "once bitten, twice shy." But if a group of people ever attempt this a second time they have a reference of how not to do it and maybe the next time, by someone else's hands it might go smoother. Despite all the fails and broken promises and quite frankly a cheaped out mod from what we were told we were going to get materials wise, we still did something never been done and I think this is a good example of why it wasn't done before. Someone had the balls to try it though, and got us all to believe in it, and that's something, and win or loose, we did make vape history....we just made it as "the first custom fail" instead of the "first custom mod designed and paid for by a group of people willing to take a chance."
Bottom line, it was a gamble...and at the time it seemed like a gamble worth taking. If this had gone the other way and we got our mods even in March and they were as promised we would all be having a different conversation right now. Since they went the way they did the doubters and the naysayers were right and I don't see how them gloating about it will make any of us feel better but they're gonna do what their gonna do. In any gamble there's risk and no risk means no reward. I've spent my money on far worse things then this mod and I am sure I will spend money on worse things again....like another trip to the Casino....just as big of gamble, just the only difference is my loss is instant, still doesn't hurt less.
We didn't get what we were promised, but we got something. For a first try at something it could have ended even worse than this and we all know it.
Now I am done playing Devil's advocate and I will say this personally.....I am sorry for everyone the way it turned out, at the time I had the money to spare and thought it was worth a shot...for those who put money up that couldn't afford it but thought it was a sure thing my heart goes out to you. But all we can do now is go on and vape with what we have. I can live with it despite it's flaws, for those who can't I am sorry I helped contribute to putting this thing over it's goal and making it happen....we were all in it together....but I can only accept my part of the blame myself...if I knew how it was going to turn out I would have never been in on it...but we live and learn...and for all it's flaws....it's still the first custom group buy made mod...even if it's not quite how we expected it to turn out....I dunno what else to say....it is what it is
This is true...
You all could have been the unlucky recipients of ....lint.
Cuz Peg's 'project' of a custom mod group scam isn't the first, it has happened quite a few time before this one.
2 very good examples still remain open at the ECF (waiting for closure after several years) and at least 1 other that is buried in thread antiquity (5 or 6 years old), long before coops were put in a special area.
Custom mod scams are not very common, but more often than not....they turn out BAD.
The host either runs away with the money or creates a POS and screws everyone involved, but RARELY are they successful.
"Vape History"....yea there's plenty of these custom scams in vape history for viewing, so at least everyone won't have the extreme embarrassment of being the first and I'm sure that scams just like this one won't be the last.
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@SHEK .... you know what...i'll bite at that...yes there are other examples of custom mod scams, but not quite like this....and if you want to go back five or six years, and that's really going back in the day vape wise, some of those I am sure were moders trying to get people to buy into their idea beforehand....I really don't care to go to that place, i still have a bad taste in my mouth from it....maybe that's why you like it so much, you do fit their type I reckon, but in my years of vaping, and studying vape history, this is the first one quite like this...that went threw all the steps, the polls, the youtube videos, a indegogo campaign....trying to make everyone feel included. This one I feel is special unto itself.
So yes, you're right, because you have to be, there were others but I am pretty sure this is the first that went all out like this the way it did. When I have a day off I'll look into it more but until then I have a life to tend to. The only reason I am up is because I have insomnia and wake up a couple times a night (and yes I have a doctor's note to prove it,) and my phone was blinking. Since I have to be up soon anyways I figured I'd play nice and give you what you so need,,,,that feeling of being right about everything you say...seriously,,,,with all your vast knowledge of all things vaping why can't you spend it helping more people than just pointing out everyone's mispeaks? I mean you're really splitting hairs on this one...
So yes, you're right, because you have to be, there were others but I am pretty sure this is the first that went all out like this the way it did. When I have a day off I'll look into it more but until then I have a life to tend to. The only reason I am up is because I have insomnia and wake up a couple times a night (and yes I have a doctor's note to prove it,) and my phone was blinking. Since I have to be up soon anyways I figured I'd play nice and give you what you so need,,,,that feeling of being right about everything you say...seriously,,,,with all your vast knowledge of all things vaping why can't you spend it helping more people than just pointing out everyone's mispeaks? I mean you're really splitting hairs on this one...
It's not about being right, it's about being honest and truthful.
But if you wanna try and save face by promoting (and feeling pride) in a sham, then I guess that your choice?
The only thing that makes this project unique was the way Peg went about it, cuz he literally pulled off the single dirtiest scam that I've ever seen! It was the single most elaborate scam that any other presenter has ever attempted. But in the end....the "family project" was nothing more than a show to fool the masses. It was designed to get everyone excited about a mod that he knew in advance would never happen! Cuz nobody got what they were expecting or what they paid for. Your devices were nothing like what the group designed. It's dimensions were radically altered, your didn't get an aluminum enclosure, you didn't get the Sigelei buttons, you didn't get a real FDV, you didn't get a custom engraving (it's cast) and the mod has zero battery protection.
The entire device was designed by Peg, not "the family".
So if the truth is your enemy, then you definitely won't like me!
But if you love lies, then Peg is your best friend.
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You're right...like I said, this is the first time it was done this way....usually the moder just shoves their design out there in a coop and puts a huge price tag on it saying it's the greatest mod on earth and it turns out to be just as disappointing...at least this time we got to have some fun.
On the subject of being honest and truthful...I guess the thing is that I tried to make a thread about the mod itself and people's feelings about the mod good or bad how it turned out and not the drama involving how it got here, I knew that was completely impossible but I honestly and truthfully feel you've made every attempt to do just the opposite of that....i just can't understand why? there's plenty of threads about the project....why not just one about the mod just being about the mod? Even now you responded to a post that was conceded to you to being right try and keep things on track and just kept going...we know already, thanks again for reminding us
edit: you did make the end of that post about the mod, I'll give you that as well in fairness to my statement
With everything that went south concerning this project . What do you do about it ? Go with what you got ie... acceptance or keep fighting it , this option gets you no where ! I'm going with it , learn to forgive or feed on hate ! All in all Peg tried to make it happen he succeeded in some areas and failed in others after all were're still human and subject to failure ! At the end of the day if you want anything done right do it yourself ! I don't hate Peg for what happened however I did loose a bit of respect for him...
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@Chuck H. Thank you, i could not have said it better myself. And
@SHEK .... I have no fear of the truth or even being wrong. At this point what you're doing isn't showing us the truth, it's beating a dead horse, putting it's hide on a stick and rubbing our faces in it to serve your own personal agenda. You were way past the truth before you spilled into this thread and i wish that this thing would have turned out differently just so you'd let it go. I'm not friends with peg, but unlike you i actually invested in this so i have a right to bitch if i want...but i don't want to. I'd rather let it rest. I harbor no ill will towards peg, it was my choice to be a part of it and i got what i got because of it. But you are something different. You're that annoying kid that stands there in the school hall saying "I told you so I told you so!" Laughing the whole time when it's got nothing to do with you. This thread was made for people that actually got the mod, not some sad person with a chip on his shoulder against someone for some unknown personal vendetta to repeat the same thing they've been saying for the last six months over and over. If you can do better than prove it. Put your mod where you're mouth is.
Yeah, one last time, we didn't get what we thought we were going to, but if you had done it instead would it have turned out better and if you're so sure of it than prove it. Otherwise get off your soapbox....this thread is for owners of the great lie to discuss our feelings about owning it. And yes i can say that, this isn't the other place. I made a thread about a mod, not how or who created it. And the only lie i see in this thread is you trying to enlighten us with "the truth"...just seems like you're grandstanding for your own hidden agenda. Just being honest again, and saying truthfully how i feel.
Your lesson on fusing batteries was good, if you would have stopped there I would have believed your " good intentions." But you took it and took it past the point of making it believable that way and making it personal against a person instead of leaving it about the mod which was the point. All the other threads weren't enough, you had to take this one too and that's just sad.
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@SHEK .... I have no fear of the truth or even being wrong. At this point what you're doing isn't showing us the truth, it's beating a dead horse, putting it's hide on a stick and rubbing our faces in it to serve your own personal agenda. You were way past the truth before you spilled into this thread and i wish that this thing would have turned out differently just so you'd let it go. I'm not friends with peg, but unlike you i actually invested in this so i have a right to bitch if i want...but i don't want to. I'd rather let it rest. I harbor no ill will towards peg, it was my choice to be a part of it and i got what i got because of it. But you are something different. You're that annoying kid that stands there in the school hall saying "I told you so I told you so!" Laughing the whole time when it's got nothing to do with you. This thread was made for people that actually got the mod, not some sad person with a chip on his shoulder against someone for some unknown personal vendetta to repeat the same thing they've been saying for the last six months over and over. If you can do better than prove it. Put your mod where you're mouth is.
Yeah, one last time, we didn't get what we thought we were going to, but if you had done it instead would it have turned out better and if you're so sure of it than prove it. Otherwise get off your soapbox....this thread is for owners of the great lie to discuss our feelings about owning it. And yes i can say that, this isn't the other place. I made a thread about a mod, not how or who created it. And the only lie i see in this thread is you trying to enlighten us with "the truth"...just seems like you're grandstanding for your own hidden agenda. Just being honest again, and saying truthfully how i feel.
Your lesson on fusing batteries was good, if you would have stopped there I would have believed your " good intentions." But you took it and took it past the point of making it believable that way and making it personal against a person instead of leaving it about the mod which was the point. All the other threads weren't enough, you had to take this one too and that's just sad.
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I really like the communication and somewhat positive support members of VU have given each other through out this "family project" but this thread has gone way left field. I'm not trying to change the current subject in this thread but give my input on the original.
After all of the wait I was initially just happy I received my pva-40 despite all of the defects I knew existed: weight, loose buttons, wobbly battery door and not being the latest version of the DNA 40 (as promised). After having it in my hands I was not impressed, not because of the flaws but because I.........no we gave our input to build this devise and Peg did not deliver (literally), it was not up to our standards or specifications. I'm not saying that this is a bad mod because its not, its just 6 months behind the curve. I can actually almost over look the majority of the flaws because most of the mods I have there is at least one or two things quirky about them. My biggest gripe is the DNA-40! The battery indicator is totally off. One moment full charge, it goes down slightly and then weak battery. Battery life is good but the indicator does not give a accurate indication of how much battery life you have. There is no in-between and my batteries get totally drained. And lets not mention how after it goes to sleep "sometimes" it asks if its a new coil when you wake it..........sometimes. Other times I have to unscrew my atty and screw it back on, for it to work properly. Then occasionally for some reason it switches to wattage mode.
Oh yeah and dem buttons!...................Need I say anymore!
So you ask......How does it vape? Pretty good besides all the quirks.
After all of the wait I was initially just happy I received my pva-40 despite all of the defects I knew existed: weight, loose buttons, wobbly battery door and not being the latest version of the DNA 40 (as promised). After having it in my hands I was not impressed, not because of the flaws but because I.........no we gave our input to build this devise and Peg did not deliver (literally), it was not up to our standards or specifications. I'm not saying that this is a bad mod because its not, its just 6 months behind the curve. I can actually almost over look the majority of the flaws because most of the mods I have there is at least one or two things quirky about them. My biggest gripe is the DNA-40! The battery indicator is totally off. One moment full charge, it goes down slightly and then weak battery. Battery life is good but the indicator does not give a accurate indication of how much battery life you have. There is no in-between and my batteries get totally drained. And lets not mention how after it goes to sleep "sometimes" it asks if its a new coil when you wake it..........sometimes. Other times I have to unscrew my atty and screw it back on, for it to work properly. Then occasionally for some reason it switches to wattage mode.
Oh yeah and dem buttons!...................Need I say anymore!
So you ask......How does it vape? Pretty good besides all the quirks.
" When the music's over turn out the lights" Well Put , my Bro Vapor!!! Awesome article/post !!! Yes for real the battery power indicator ???
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Thank you for bringing this thread back to track...that's what I was hoping for in the first place....a "family review of the family project mod that was nothing like the family decided on." And after watching the first part of the "live q&a" joke he called a show I must say I've lost a little more respect for the guy. Telling us about the weight and the size and how it's not much bigger and heavier and he went with zinc alloy so it's more durable than aluminum instead of it costing less because they "cost the same" so it will stay nicer longer.
Well the truth is, It could have been the same size as the sigelei 150 and weighed the same making it smaller, ligher, and more comfortable. I don't know how many people bought a PVA40 that have build a DNA mod by their own hand or held a DNA chip in their hands but the thing is about the size of half a stick of Extra Chewing Gum, maybe a little taller. Especially cheaping out and just putting exturnal covers over the boards buttons instead of wiring buttons exturnal from the board like most modders do there is no reason that the thing could have shaved a few mm's off all of it's dimensions cutting a small but important chunk of wieght and size of off it.
I have to find it because it's in my youtube messages and not in my emails, but I have a response in a conversation I had with Peg back and forth when the project was still in the "designing" phase and I questioned why he decided to go against what everyone wanted and the response was literally "Peg knows best...you're just going to have to trust me and in the end you'll see I am right." Foreshadowing the truth that we really had no say in this whatsoever except whether or not to put money down on it.
So what if zinc alloy is tougher than aluminum....the people wanted aluminum and part of giving good products to the market is giving the people what they want. My Cana mod was my daily driver for three months of getting beat up in my pocket moving furniture at work and there's barely a scratch and not even a dent and it was dropped and slammed into many a large pieces inside my pocket for months...Aluminum isn't that fragile...it sounded like a poor lie than willing to admit wrong.
I know I am going in and out of topic here and this was my idea so I really should stick to topic but for people who didn't waste their time watching the joke of a live show you didn't miss much other than more excuses and back peddling but should be made known of it as it's part of the mod.
I will close with this...The Vaporshark DNA's and rDNA's shells are made of a simular zinc aluminum alloy if I remember correctly but because of their small compact size they can get away with it as it doesn't have much mass and so the weight isn't that noticable....oh, I almost forgot...he said that the second battery in the mod is what adds so much to the weight...so I took two extra batteries and grouped them with my segelei and then weighed it against the PVA and it still wasn't as heavy...a one ounce battery isn't what is breaking the scale here.
And I couldn't agree more about the out of date DNA40 that we were promised was the "latest and final version with all the bugs fixed" with the wonky battery meter and not accurately reading resistance of nickel coils and sometimes trying to fire Kanthal in temp mode once or twice before realizing it's error....All of this I would have even been fine with if I was told honestly that promises would not be kept and publicly told that we were crowd funding a modder's dream mod putting on a show to make us think we had some say.
That's my final review of the PVA40...I won't add anymore here but I hope others do as I value the feedback personally and appreciate those that have participated in this thread and shared their feelings so in the future we can help prevent this from happening again.
Thanks everyone and I wish happy vaping to you all
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As another pva 40 owner I feel ripped off. From what I read is that he had all the mods done in early April but decided to wait so that he could do another indiegogo campaign for high mah batteries at sky-high prices to further fund the aromamizer rda company that he set up with cash he got from pva 40. Now he is doing indiegogo campaigns for the aromamizer rda & rta's. HE IS A SCUMBAG
I picked up a very inexpensive new EHPRO SPD A5 for 20.00 bucks new ,it is TC , also as compared to the PVA-40 I'm happy to say I like it better than my PVA-40 ! If it last six months I will have got my money's worth . I can buy 7 of these to 1 PVA-40 !!! LOL
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Where did you find that Chuck?
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Nice find my friend, I would buy 7 of them and beat the hell out of them as ADV's...I used to do that with eGo's when I first started vaping, I bought 30 of them on sale because it seemed like I would drop or crush one a week there for awhile, I've still got about 10 left along with vGo's, GoGo's, and esmarts collecting dust looking sad and lonely. Still use them once in awhile but mechs and drippers ruined my love for them I am sorry to say because my homemade Evod coils still blow Kanger's factory coils away
Congrats on the find and to @Aquaman ...you have sympathy here, we feel your pain and all felt the letdown...my deepest apologies and sympathies for you my friend...as they say in the service world..."another dissatisfied customer"