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fraleywp

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But it is very expensive.
What if I don't wanna pay millions of dollars a year to bring every scruffy **** riddled street urchin back to life?
or $60k/mo for AIDS meds?
...or havin yer vag turned into a penis.

I think you should be responsible for your own choices in life and not expect others to finance them.
Look at you all high and mighty. Sometimes people find themselves in bad circumstances and for you it's ok if they die. What a pathetic attitude. I hope you don't call yourself Christian.

You don't seem to mind paying for Trumps weekend golfing trips. How about the fact you pay for Congress to have health insurance? Because they are deserving huh?

I will let you go back to being so perfect now. But please get a clue about how some people are less privileged despite the amount of effort they give daily. Your beliefs about these things are fantasy.
 

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Even Jesus would have a hard time these days.
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Jesus would have NO issue helping everyone who asked. Any good Christian would feel the same.
 

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I pay school tax on my property.
Why should I pay that when I have not had a child in school for decades?
I do not care for spectator sports.
Why should taxes go to support that?

If you live long enough you will learn.
I wouldn't waste your breath. All of their preconceived notions are manufactured and not based on real life experience.
 

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Look at you all high and mighty. Sometimes people find themselves in bad circumstances and for you it's ok if they die. What a pathetic attitude. I hope you don't call yourself Christian.

You don't seem to mind paying for Trumps weekend golfing trips. How about the fact you pay for Congress to have health insurance? Because they are deserving huh?

I will let you go back to being so perfect now. But please get a clue about how some people are less privileged despite the amount of effort they give daily. Your beliefs about these things are fantasy.
For the most part this country is carried on the backs of the working poor.
Build the wall? Why then increase the immigrant worker visas available?
Lets have the Mexicans over here growing your food but pay them poverty wages.
And if they should get sick then they should just die?
Fast food billionaires, and other retail and Hotel/motel tycoons owe their wealth to their underpaid workers.
Mcdonalds offers health ins?
Yeah right! try paying for that AND living on $10/hr or less...

Or move up to Wal Mart and make $12/hr and try and live on that AND pay hundreds for health INS.

I am not sure if people are just intentionally ignorant of the working poor's situation or just ignorant...
 

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I wouldn't waste your breath. All of their preconceived notions are manufactured and not based on real life experience.
We SHOULD Build the Wall and put tariffs on Mexican imports to pay for it.
And end all foreign worker visas.
I can imagine the Whine heard round the world when the food prices more than double....

Stupit people.

Hopey Changey dreamers not a realist among them.
Trump is going to make America great again.
Yeah right.
 

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I believe Wal-Mart has the highest number of employees who also get government assistance to make ends meet. These guys commenting here would find a way to justify that too. Because it makes perfect sense for a business owned by 5 of the top 10 wealthiest people in America to pay their employees less than a living wage.

Must be more fake news. It makes me sick sometimes and today is one of those days that it does.
 

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I believe Wal-Mart has the highest number of employees who also get government assistance to make ends meet. These guys commenting here would find a way to justify that too. Because it makes perfect sense for a business owned by 5 of the top 10 wealthiest people in America to pay their employees less than a living wage.

Must be more fake news. It makes me sick sometimes and today is one of those days that it does.
Yes but that is only because Wal Mart has so many employees.
Across the retail, service, farm worker and fast food sectors it is pretty much the same.
 
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I believe Wal-Mart has the highest number of employees who also get government assistance to make ends meet. These guys commenting here would find a way to justify that too. Because it makes perfect sense for a business owned by 5 of the top 10 wealthiest people in America to pay their employees less than a living wage.

Must be more fake news. It makes me sick sometimes and today is one of those days that it does.

So what's the point ? Should someone who runs a billion dollar business be forced to give it away ? Who decides how much money we should have or not have ? Cromwell compares terrorist killing children to children dying in auto accidents a death is a death as he claims . What makes you bunch entitled to anything in this life ? Heathcare ? What makes you entitled to it ? Why should you have it , why should you be taken care of ? Millions of people around this world die of starvation. What makes you more entitled and not them ? Your privileged to live here and be taken care of . Nobody is entitled to anything in life . So quit your fucking crying that your privilege is not enough .


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So what's the point ? Should someone who runs a billion dollar business be forced to give it away ? Who decides how much money we should have or not have ? Cromwell compares terrorist killing children to children dying in auto accidents a death is a death as he claims . What makes you bunch entitled to anything in this life ? Heathcare ? What makes you entitled to it ? Why should you have it , why should you be taken care of ? Millions of people around this world die of starvation. What makes you more entitled and not them ? Your privileged to live here and be taken care of . Nobody is entitled to anything in life . So quit your fucking crying that your privilege is not enough .


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Nobody is deciding how much someone has. But if you are forcing people into near slave labor to do it, that is not acceptable.

Is is also not acceptable to allow those with more to avoid paying their fair share of taxes. Rewarding the rich is what we do these days while punishing the less fortunate. It is extremely unbalanced. These people we keep electing fall on the advantaged side and we buy all their bs.
 

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I pay school tax on my property.
Why should I pay that when I have not had a child in school for decades?
I do not care for spectator sports.
Why should taxes go to support that?

If you live long enough you will learn.

Because you want everything for free but you don't want to pay for it yourself you self centered dick . You think your entitled to everything but don't want to pay for it or contribute .


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Look at you all high and mighty. Sometimes people find themselves in bad circumstances and for you it's ok if they die. What a pathetic attitude. I hope you don't call yourself Christian.

You don't seem to mind paying for Trumps weekend golfing trips. How about the fact you pay for Congress to have health insurance? Because they are deserving huh?

I will let you go back to being so perfect now. But please get a clue about how some people are less privileged despite the amount of effort they give daily. Your beliefs about these things are fantasy.

So your the son of God ? Sure Jesus would want to help . Life sucks get a helmet !


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Because you want everything for free but you don't want to pay for it yourself you self centered dick . You think your entitled to everything but don't want to pay for it or contribute .


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I think you must have read that wrong. He is comparing taxes for school to Healthcare. So you think it's ok for everyone to pay their share for your kids to go to school but not fair for everyone to help pay for Healthcare? Contradiction isn't it?
 

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Children need education for our country to grow . We have all agreed along time ago we would share in education. Why should I pay for your healthcare if you don't wanna get your own ? I pay to send my kid to private school and I pay property tax .


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Wow, you are brilliant. How do you ever look at other people who aren't as witty as you? Child

It's not easy but I manage . So your back to name calling instead of sticking to the subject . Very typical.


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Children need education for our country to grow . We have all agreed along time ago we would share in education. Why should I pay for your healthcare if you don't wanna get your own ? I pay to send my kid to private school and I pay property tax .


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Why should youhave children if you cannot personally afford to educate them. They are YOUR responsibility not mine.
 

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Why should youhave children if you cannot personally afford to educate them. They are YOUR responsibility not mine.

I do afford to educate mine yes I Take RESPONSIBILITY and I pay to educate someone else's with my tax !


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I do afford to educate mine yes I Take RESPONSIBILITY and I pay to educate someone else's with my tax !


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You seemed to think that educating everyone elses children was a socialistic duty. But let the sick die.
 

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You seemed to think that educating everyone elses children was a socialistic duty. But let the sick die.

When did I say education was socialism? I pay and I'm responsible for my own how's that related to socialism? Your the one complaining you need to be taken care of not me


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When did I say education was socialism? I pay and I'm responsible for my own how's that related to socialism? Your the one complaining you need to be taken care of not me


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You are not smart enough to realize that our education is socialistic?
And you said it was accepted and needed for our country to grow.
But heal h care for those same children and their parents does not seem to be needed according to you.
 

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You are not smart enough to realize that our education is socialistic?
And you said it was accepted and needed for our country to grow.
But heal h care for those same children and their parents does not seem to be needed according to you.

Education is also a privilege of our society I agree kids need to be educated to be productive. Many countries don't have this system we are lucky . After your paid education you get a job and take care of yourself you don't ask everyone else too . If I go by your logic of a death being a death no matter how it happens why do you care ? Death comes to everyone . Some sooner then later . We live in the greatest country on earth everyone gets taken care of and you know it . The government fucked the system and somehow gave people the idea Healthcare is a right . We can't afford to save everyone


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Your intentions are quite clear and quite boring. Over and out.

You talk about taking people's money because they are wealthy . You say you can't be a Christian if you don't fork over all your money to someone who won't work or is just lazy and doesn't take personal responsibility for themselves. If Jesus was here he'd help people but he would do the best for them to take responsibility for themselves. I'm not against helping truly poor or physically unable people I'm talking about how abused our system is we can't afford to take care of everybody we just can't . If that is childish then I guess your right .


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You talk about taking people's money because they are wealthy . You say you can't be a Christian if you don't fork over all your money to someone who won't work or is just lazy and doesn't take personal responsibility for themselves. If Jesus was here he'd help people but he would do the best for them to take responsibility for themselves. I'm not against helping truly poor or physically unable people I'm talking about how abused our system is we can't afford to take care of everybody we just can't . If that is childish then I guess your right .


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I understand what you are saying. What I am saying is we don't get to be judge and jury on who lives or who dies. There is no perfect system of any kind. You have to take the good with the bad.

The best we can do is to have a system that helps those who need it and those who aren't always perfect citizens. We give criminals Healthcare in jail. We should do our best to provide the best we can and provide better checks and balances to mitigate abuse. What he have now has many flaws, we need to fix the flaws and improve the system. Anything else is just going to further benefit the insurance and drug companies.

I did not say anything close to what you heard about being Christian. I only stated that if you are Christian you should want to help as many possible.

Doing nothing at all is the worst choice we can make. That is all I am saying. I could go on about ideas I have for dealing with abusers but that is too much to type in a single post.
 

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Ahh the greatest country on earth?

Well why would Trump need to make it great again?
By saying that Trump is saying that our country is not great.
What an unpatriotic attitude.
 

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I did not say anything close to what you heard about being Christian. I only stated that if you are Christian you should want to help as many possible.
didn't Jesus build a wall and turn away the non Jews?
Didn't Jesus tell the sick to heal themselves?
Didn't Jesus kick the Tainted ladies?
Didn't Jesus say Let the poor starve?
Didn't Jesus cast the first stone?
Jesus was a hater?

Nope whether you believe that Jesus was the son of God or not he was todays bleeding heart liberal.
A pioneering humanitarian if nothing else.

All to many self professed Christians have those traits and actually think that they are going to heaven while ridiculiing the Muslims and their virgins in heaven thing.
Damn little difference in the 2 groups if you ask me.
 

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What I find funny is that we pay for the uninsured already. Hospitals have to provide care in the case of life or death regardless of insurance. This adds to all of our insurance costs.

It also costs more to treat at that stage. Preventive care is much cheaper than emergency care. Why do you think employers push wellness? The less claims they make against the company insurance policy the lower the premiums. Preventive care reduces claims.
 
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