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  1. DeadShort

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    I just bought some Rayon (cellulose) - from Sallys' Beauty Supplies. I have been testing this with 2 kfl's and a dripper, the Magma. It does have a sense of giving a purer flavor to me. My coils are not gunking up anywhere nearly as fast as my cotton was doing. it feels easier to work with, and I am stuffing my coils fairly tight with the stuff. What is with this stuff, it just wicks and wicks.
    It is kind of amazing that I am not scalding the wick at all when my juice gets low. It gives me the chance to detect the missing flavor notes as it wanes out of juice. So far I like it better than cotton and it happens to be cheap.
    Do other d.i.y.'ers feel the same way? We know we can be a picky bunch when we don't care for something in our vape.
     
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    I have yet to try it. Been meaning to but don't have a Sally's around. May have to order some from online to try.
     
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    Curious if you notice a sore throat thing happening
     
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    The sore throat thing will happen with dry hits. This is something you obviously want to avoid. The thing about rayon is that because it wicks so well, the dry hit tends to sneak up on you.
     
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    I've been using it for about a month now in my BCC Clearos without issues but...

    It's a bit trickier than cotton, as the cotton expands, while the rayon shrinks a bit.

    I can taste it a little bit when a new wick is installed, kinda like cotton, but goes away quickly.

    I don't get much difference in the flavor between using either one but YMMV.
     
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    going to pick some up at sallys today, are you guys boiling it first ? I boil my organic cotton but have not been impressed with this latest bag. usually I get it from whole foods but didnt want to drive that far last time and got some from walgreens lol... bleh Im really not liking this brand.
     
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    I do not boil it personally, as pbusardo says, "I didn't boil my cigarettes before I smoked them"
     
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    hahaha right on makes good enough sense for me
     
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    I can send you some, if you'll cover the cost of shipping. ~5 feet worth, more than you'll need for a long time. PM me if interested.
    I boil mine before using it. Definitely makes a difference IMHO. Lowers the 'break-in' time.

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    I don't seem to have any issues with break-in time, works great as soon as I saturate wicks. Is it a taste your getting? I personally don't get any taste from it.
     
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    Yes and no. I get more of a muting of the flavors.

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    Ok, yes I can agree to this. When I first made the switch I did notice some muting happening.
     
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    I just think you have to get used to its neutral taste.. It's a bit different, and it takes a little adjustment period with your atty and voltage and even your coils.
    A bit of a learning curve, but I like it better than my old sterile cotton..
     
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    just don't order the 3lb box like pbursardo :p

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    I love how the rayon gives my DIY a very clean flavor. It's only muted if I use too much rayon! And, no, I don't wash it.
     
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    I love the stuff been using it for awhile now and I think it is my go to wick. There is just a slight break in period but once your past that its a great wicking material. I bought the box of it and now have enough wick for my great grandsons to use in the next century. Good stuff if you haven't tried it you should and you might purchase a box for parts of you family that haven't been born yet!! ;)
     
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    I said I was going to boil some the other night to test the difference but honestly I havent needed to. I think its great right off the bat. I'll boil some someday for science and so I know for myself but for the time being "aint nobody got time for that" lol....... agree about over wicking it and the flavor muting otherwise its great, very clean tasting
     
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    Still have plenty of Rayon left for anyone who would like to try it. PM me for info!

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    I think if you're coil is 16th or smaller, you may have a harder time stuffing it properly. 5/64th's seems to be good for me.. Being it wicks really well, and we're not following the less is more cotton ritual, a bigger coil means more dense clouds of flavor. More juice and less coil heat intensity..
    ... always searching for the perfect vape...:D
     
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    Yuck not I
    Rayon is a manufactured regenerated cellulose fiber. It is made from purified cellulose, primarily from wood pulp, which is chemically converted into a soluble compound. It is then dissolved and forced through a spinneret to produce filaments which are chemically solidified, resulting in synthetic fibers of nearly pure cellulose.[1] Because rayon is manufactured from naturally occurring polymers, it is considered a semi-synthetic fiber.[2] Specific types of rayon include viscose, modal and lyocell, each of which differs in manufacturing process and properties of the finished product.


    Examples of different materials held against a flame
    MaterialTime to burst into flameNOTES (from U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, Flammable Fabrics Act)
    Rayon3.0secRayon and other cellulosic fibers (cotton,linen, rayon, lyocell, ramie) ignite easily, burn with a bright flame, smell like burning paper, and leave a white feathery ash. Weave density has a big impact on burning time.
    Cotton4.8secCotton and other cellulosic fibers (linen, rayon, lyocell, ramie) ignite easily, burn with a bright flame, smell like burning paper, and leave a white feathery ash. Weave density has a big impact on burning time.
    Denim5.0secDenim is made from cotton in a twill weave. Because it is closely woven it will burn more slowly, but because of the quantity of material, they burn longer.
    Silk7.6secWool and silk (protein fibers) shrink from the flame, are hard to ignite, smell like burning meat or flesh, sputter as they burn and leave a crisp, foamy crushable residue. Although these fibers have natural flame retardance because they are difficult to ignite and burn slowly, fabrics of these fibers often burn easily because of an open fabric weave or knit and dyes or finishes present.
    50/50 Cotton/Polyester9.2secBlended fabrics -- cotton and polyester fibers together in one fabric, for example, combine to make a fabric that doesn't burn like either fiber. Blends sometimes are more dangerous than either individual fiber
    Polyester*10secPolyester and nylon fibres may be slower to ignite, shrink and pull away from the flame source initially, but eventually will burn with a flame. As they burn, the melting residue holds heat and cools slowly to form a hard bead-like plastic melting residue holds heat and cools slowly to form a hard bead-like plastic residue. A chemical odor is given off. The melting residue is a very high temperature and can cause deep and severe skin burns. Acrylic fibers burn with a flaming, melting drip of molten material. All manufactured fibers burn at a high temperature and

    *can cause severe skin injury because they shrink as they burn and tend to stick to skin.



    Additional tests performed by Pele
    We always say..."wear natural fibres and you won't get burned". Yup, that's what we say.
    So I was thinking about this the other day and grabbed bunches of different kinds of fabrics, a candle and Whipping Boy and we headed onto my front porch. Then I found some others materials and continued the experiments...
    Here is what we found when I held the fabrics directly over the flame, the equivalent to a move gone wrong....

    • Lightweight Cotton/Gauze: up in flames in three seconds
    • Middle Weight Cotton(like a cheap t-shirt, not really tightly woven): up in flames in 3seconds
    • Tight Woven Cotton (a nice t-shirt): up in flames in 6 seconds BUT once it was up in flames it was hell to put out..it just kept going. At first is smoldered to a little brown mark so we thought it wasn't going to go, then it burst into flames, literally! We did this a few times just to make certain.
    • Tight Woven Heavy Cotton (Like Khaki pants): left it there 10 seconds and it didn't go up in flames but after 10 it would've. That was the point at which the brown scorch mark was working through the material.
    • Denim (without frays): held it there for 10 seconds (if you're safety hasn't put you out by then you have big problems anyway). It left little black soot marks that wiped off.
    • Cotton Corduroy: Held it there 10 seconds. It scorched abit because of the loose fibers being raised up but once it made it past those it didn't go.
    • Wool (Light grade, loose weave): 10 seconds until scorch, much like the tight weave cotton.
    • Wool (heavy grade, like a blanket): Worked better than denim.
    • Flax (it tends to be light and airy, like a cotton): 3 seconds and it was history.
    • Silk (the shiny, light refined stuff): It lasted about 5 seconds before it frizzled into a tiny flame.
    • Raw Silk (the course, heavier one): This held up to a count of 8 seconds before it smoldered fiber by fiber...but it never really went poof.
    • Leather: It doesn't actually burn, it more curls up into this little black roll, and that was the edge of the light weight leather after about 20 seconds (I was really curious with this one). The center never went up.


    Moral of the story is that not *all* natural fibers are acceptable to spin in. The lighter the fabric and the looser the weave, the faster it goes up.
    Now, keep in mind that you have about a two to three second grace period before you even catch, and then you have the oh, about one second grace while the fuel residue burns off. After that it's all the fabric. So for all of you who are safeties, you should give no more than 3 seconds warning before you step in. Keep that in mind.
    Safe spinning to all [​IMG].

    Pele

    Additional notes: References: U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, Flammable Fabrics Act
     
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    Forgive my ignorance, but is that the long way to say "keep your wicks wet?"
     
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    Undergo retroactive wicking hydration. :)

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    HOLY HELL!! Where has this stuff been! I finally got around to going to Sallys Beauty to buy some and right now I feel like its the best $12 I ever spent vaping. I got home thinking I was crazy for buying 500 ft of this. I rebuilt a kayfun and a fogger v3 with it tonight and its fanfreakintastic!

    I recently was getting really tired of cotton. Beginning to hate it actually. It started to always taste like I was vaping thru a wet sock. Rayon has no effect and my juice is so flavorful with this stuff. No muting for me. Quite the opposite. Ive experienced a dramatic increase in flavor Vs. cotton. I love rayon. It wicks incredibly well with the high vg juices I make. Its the real deal. Blows cotton away.

    I will never, and I mean ever, use cotton again. Now to see how rayon fares vs the readyxwick I have coming this week.
     
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    I much as I don't want to say this, I don't think the rayon will stand a chance against ReadyXwick. The only advantage I could see rayon having is possibly wicking faster. And having 0.5% of the price tag. LoL
     
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    I sense irony and/or sarcasm in your reply...
     
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    No, I mean it. That stuff can stand up to 2200 degrees without burning or degrading. It literally lasts FOREVER, unless you dry burn all day for the fun of it. But then again, if I was paying $8/foot, I'd probably wanna get my money's worth, too. Even if it doesn't wick as fast as Rayon, you still won't get any burnt taste. If I could afford leveraging my 'vape hand budget' into some, I would. But I'd rather have more DIY flavors, and this whole box of Rayon....

    500ft vs 1.5ft? Yeah, at some point quantity has to overcome quality.
     
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    Well for me its not so much price difference and quantity as it is more about vape experience. I mean cotton is cheap and fine for some but to me it kills juice flavor and mutes it. Silica I get usually better results with than cotton but it depends on the build. Mesh is imo perfect for gennys so Ill be hard pressed to replace it with readyx, but Ill try it.

    If the readyx lasts as long as people say it does, reduces the amount of rebuild work, and has good wicking and flavor then all those actually imo reduce its cost.

    The key thing is, does whatever wick I use make vaping my juice better? I spend alot of time mixing and.when my vape isnt right... I know its my gear. So I want the best wick possible to enjoy my hard work. To me having that also reduces cost, for rayon, for readyx, or anything else.

    On another note, has anyone experienced like a sore throat a few hours after using rayon for awhile? Last night I was.pretty scratchy and raw. Woke up ok. Gonna see how it goes for today with the rayon and see if it comes back.
     
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    I had something like this right after I quit smoking cigs and I was vaping hardcore all day and night, but it's gone now.
     
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    Nah. Ive been vaping a long time. Gonna inspect my builds and see if maybe they arent right. Havent had much problem today. Still getting more sore as the day wears on tho. Weird.
     
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    I have to admit. You were right. Readyx is actually far superior, more durable, and way easier to work with once you learn a few things. I have been replacing all my genny's with readyx.

    Rayon has great flavor, better than cotton by far, its a bit more resilient than cotton az well. Im still running it in my kayfun and my fogger v3. I tried 2mm readyx in the fogger and 3mm in the kayfun but those builds did not go well. So for now the rayon stays in those.

    I am absolutely thrilled with both rayon and readyx, but for me the readyx is worth its price so far.
     
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    Doesn't RXW have a hole in the center of it? I've been experimenting with mixing ramie and rayon into one wicking material, but probably should have chosen a non-twisted coil to try it on. LoL. If the RXW has the hole in it, we could slide some rayon into it, essentially getting the best of both worlds. Discussion?
     
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    It does. Might be able to get rayon inside the 3mm somehow. Dont think you could with the 2mm. I know people have wrapped the ceramic around mesh and cable wicks to prevent shorts in gennys
     
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    It is the catz azz
     
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    Tried going back to cotton, meh, just not the same for some reason.

    No sore throat here either.

    Tried some Rayon in 2 different Genny's, not as much flavor as my BCC's though.
    Like comparing a Vivi Nova top coil, to a PT2.
     
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    So... by that logic you would rather have a lifetime supply of dog poo on a plate than a single, but amazing steak dinner? :p

    Please understand that I'm only joking around, I just found that comment to be funny :)
     
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    Well, if the steak would lead to starvation, and the poo would lead to life.... I'm still undecided. LoL
     
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    LOL hmm... will the poo at least come with salt and pepper? lol :p :) :D
     
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    As far as the sore throat goes I figured out it was my build that was at fault.... normally is... lol. Point of note here tho is that rayon will collapse a little when wet so if you dont stuff enough thru the coil you are gonna have some bare coil heating up. The outside edges of my coil of my coil on that build were bare and it wasnt enough to throw flavor off and be acrid. However, vaping it all night is what made my throat raw. When I took the build apart I saw it and made a new bigger coil and thicker wick with the rayon.

    Make sure you stuff that coil more than you would with cotton.

    Tried a few more builds today with both 2mm and 3mm readyx in the kayfun and fogger v3. No go. Cant get it to work in either. I wish there was a 2.5mm version of readyx. That might be what would work. In both these devices it either gurgles and leaks with readyx, or it causes dry hits and Im definitely building my coils right for the wick. All my gennys work great. Damned if I can figure it out. Sticking with rayon for bottom feeds for now till someone wiser than I can show me the way.
     
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    I bought the huge box of Rayon at Sallys about a month ago and used it for about 3 weeks in many of my toppers. It does wick better anfd I find it easy to work with..... But Ive gone back to cotton.

    I guess I just like that old cotton t shirt taste.....

    Actually I was impressed the first day....thought I tasted things I didnt taste before, but now Ive changed my mind. Nothing I can put my finger on really...... just prefer the cotton.

    Go Figure...
     
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    I have a hard time with RXW in my Kayfuns, can't get it to bend properly. The rayon feels right at home in the kayfun.

    I do use the RXW in my RSST, I like it better than ss mesh..

    4 days of use (rayon in my workhorse kayfun) - unbelievable...
     
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