HEEEEEELP - DIY "emergency"!! :D

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  1. wordologist448

    wordologist448 New Member

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    Hi all,

    I'll try to make this narrative as SHORT as possible - I've been mixing my own juice for just about 3 years now, and not had ANY "store-bought" juice in all that time, and after I recently vaped a couple of flavors from different juice companies, I've discovered that my DIY juice has been, well, CRAP, for I'm not sure how long! (I put "emergency" in my title because I Can. Not. Afford. to BUY the 20-30ml a DAY I've been vaping for the last several years (why I started DIYing in the first place!) - I'm NOT hooked on the nicotine; I vape at ONE mg/ml, and I wasn't a "regular" smoker before vaping, but, you guys get it - I'm hooked on the HABIT, and I feel like I can't go back to crappy DIY juice now that I have the taste of the "good stuff" in my brain!)

    I've read a lot of the threads here, and they had a lot of good info, but there are a couple of questions I haven't been able to find answers for, and I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction:

    1) "quality" of (non-flavor) ingredients: I haven't been able to find a straight answer to this, but: are all PG/VG created equal, or aren't they? I've used the Essential Depot and NatureFresh(?) brands (got both from Amazon), and seen both of those mentioned in various forums (also, they're pretty CHEAP at ~$25 a GALLON), but are those smaller bottles of PG/VG and/or "premixed bases" that seem to cost a little more per ounce/ml "better"? As long as it's 99.9% pure, USP food-grade, isn't it all the same?

    Same thing for nicotine - I use NicVape 100mg/ml 100% VG liquid, and I'm careful to keep the cap on so it doesn't "oxidize" (i.e., the liquid inside the bottle is still pink and not yellow), but I don't go through nic very fast at 1mg, so is it maybe getting "old" on me?

    2) Flavorings - I *think* the reseller I've been using may be selling "fake" flavorings - I'm not going to say their name here, in case I'm wrong, and I've seen positive reviews for them on this site - I just bought 120ml bottles of Sweet Cream and Blueberry (Extra) directly from TFA and compared them to the bottles of those flavors from the reseller, and they even LOOK different - the TFA liquid is MUCH darker, and it may be my imagination, but I think they SMELL different (i.e., the TFA smells "more like blueberry" than the reseller flavor does). The reseller also doesn't use the same packaging as TFA (and Capella); they use their own plastic bottles and their own printed labels with the manufacturer company logo - does this sound "legit"?

    I mixed a 20ml bottle yesterday of my ADV flavor with the direct-from-TFA flavors and let it steep overnight (basically just "blueberries and cream," with the INTENTION of "heavy on the blueberry"):
    Sweet Cream TFA 6%
    Blueberry (Extra) TFA 17%
    Vanillin 10% TFA 2%
    30% PG 70% VG, 1mg/ml nicotine

    At the moment, I can't taste the blueberry AT. ALL. Not even a LITTLE. It's just strong sweet cream with a HINT of something fruity underneath. (Most of my recipes are ~20% flavor, but I thought if I bumped it up, it might help...?)

    3) "This isn't *that* hard" - I'm falling into the gap between "C'mon, guys; it's BASIC CHEMISTRY - there are FOUR INGREDIENTS!" and "Watch it now, Chief; this is HARD; not just anybody can make really good juice at home!"

    My last store-bought juice was a Blueberry Cheesecake, and it is SO GOOD, you guys - STRONG, strong blueberry, and the cheesecake isn't at all overwhelming! I tried to ask the salespeople what vendor they use for their BASES (PG/VG), and they said, "Ohhh, NO company is EVER going to tell you what vendors they use"...I GET that, for business/market-protecting reasons, but do "professional juice makers" have access to some super-secret ultra-premium flavor companies that the rest of us don't know about? I've seen people mention TFA, Capella, Flavor West, and FA and used all of those in the past (though they were ALL from the reseller I mentioned above, so I don't know if they were "real" or not), but in at least the last year or so, I don't think I've EVER had a DIY juice "work" as well right into a fresh coil as anything I've made.

    I use the Big Baby Beast tank, and I've been really into RBAs for a while and just thought I was BAD at it because the juice would never soak into the cotton (Cotton Bacon, Native Wicks, Kami Japanese Organic, Youde Japanese Organic - all of em - the juice just "sits" on top of the cotton and doesn't "soak in" immediately and visibly like store-bought juice does), and the coils themselves would be COVERED in gunk after an HOUR or two...then I tried putting my DIY juice in a prebuilt coil - the thing was RUINED after an HOUR - obvious discoloration of the cotton, almost NO flavor getting through, and even putting store-bought juice into the less-than-a-day-old coil didn't work; it killed even THAT flavor.

    So, I think the problem is one or more of my ingredients; I'm just not sure which one(s). (I'm vaping the DIY I described above right now, with the verified TFA flavors, and it doesn't SEEM to be gunking up the coil yet; it just doesn't TASTE very good.)

    4) Blueberry - the girl at the shop where I bought the Blueberry Cheesecake did say that "blueberry is especially 'hard' to work with" - I've NEVER read that on any of the forums; what did she mean by that? That juice is also PURPLE, and the only vendor I've been able to find that sells "colorizer" is Inawera (I haven't used their flavors before, cuz, the Europe thing - too long shipping! :p ) - could THAT be where they get their flavors? (I've ordered a bottle of Inawera's blueberry just to check it out) I also recently ordered a bottle of My Boy Blue ("blueberry custard") from GoodLife Vapors (based in GA, I think, kind of a small company), and that blueberry too was STRONG (and DIFFERENT from the blueberry in the Cheesecake juice) - it SMELLED stronger in the juice, even with the PG/VG/other flavors, than ANY of my blueberry flavors have ever smelled in the bottle - what's the trick here? Is it a "steeping" issue? (The blueberry flavors I've tried (TFA Blueberry Wild (meh - too "tart"), CAP Blueberry (the bottle I have right now from the reseller doesn't smell like blueberry at ALL, and the vape shop girl confirmed that it smells "really weird"), TFA Blueberry Candy, Flavor West Blueberry) all don't seem to have a very strong "smell" in the bottle, so maybe I need a different blueberry...?)

    I usually "steep" my juices in an ultrasonic cleaner (cuz I read to do that somewhere, on some forum :p ) with "moderate" heat (warm but not HOT, though I forget to turn the heat off sometimes so it maxes out and auto-shuts off) for an hour or two before I try to vape them, but those same juices don't seem ANY different at that point than they do after they've just been "sitting" for a week, a month, etc. The store-bought juices just seem "better," more full flavor, "creamier" texture to the liquid itself, and I'd REALLY like to save my poor wallet the stress of having to spend $100+ a week on juice....

    Thanks to anyone who can help me out here!
     
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    First of all welcome to VU!

    To me this looks like a case of over flavoring. I know TFA tends to be weak compared to others, but 17% Blueberry Extra seems to be a bit much. Like 3 times too much. Look at ELR and you will find the average use for BB Extra is 5.1% and the median is 4%. The same goes for the Sweet Cream and Vanillin. All the flavor molecules interact with each other and over flavoring is as bad as or sometimes worse than under flavoring where all you taste is chemicals. Try this:
    TFA Blueberry Extra 4% (ELR median)
    TFA Sweet Cream 2% (ELR median)
    TFA Vanillin 1% (ELR median)

    I have not made this, so this is not a proven recipe, just something to try. YMMV

    Even better is try your Blueberry Extra as a single flavor at 4%, 5%, 6%, or 7% mixed in 10ml of your base. It may even take more as a single flavor, but in recipes most folks don't use the single flavor percentage. This way you will know what works for you.

    Another thing is juice manufacturers tend to use sweetener in their recipes. Maybe that is what you are missing.

    Also blueberry is a hard flavor to pin down. If you eat the fruit it is not a strong flavor like a raspberry or blackberry. Most recipes I've seen will use several different vendors blueberries in their recipe. Like TFA and Capella or FlavourArt Billberry or Flavorah Blueberry.

    Here's a good thread to take a look at as well: http://vapingunderground.com/threads/finding-the-problem-when-your-diy-tastes-bad.88262/

    A reseller would get dropped in nothing flat if it is proven they were messing a manufacturers flavor line.

    In the world of flavoring less is more and more is less in a lot, not all, cases. I hope you find your answer.
     
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    That's AWESOME; thank you so much!! I'm FREAKING OUT over here, as my Blueberry Cheesecake store juice is getting loooooow! :D

    Your suggestion above literally occurred to me in the last 5 minutes - maybe I need some SWEETENER!! (I also mixed a quick bottle of JUST BB Extra at 10%, and it's significantly less GROSS than the recipe I posted, though still not real strong on the fruit) You made a good point about the fruit-vs-flavoring distinction; I actually don't really like the FRUIT, but I've VERY much liked it in the juices I've VAPED!

    One (dumb noob) question :p - what's ELR?
     
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    HAHA, SWEEEEET - I'm already a member on there, and it's where I get all my recipes!

    So, if the average percentage for an individual flavor (BB Extra, in this example) is 4-5%, how come most recipes have ~20% total flavor - is it 4-5% of EACH of four (less, if you're adding more flavors, obviously)?
     
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    In my opinion you did not give it enough time to infuse and let the flavors bloom.
     
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    That's totally fair - but as I pointed out in my OP, even the juice I HAVE let "steep"/sit for up to a MONTH isn't *any better," so I think I've been doing something else wrong...
     
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    I was offering my opinion on the one I quoted. Off to experiment with RY4 Double
     
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    NOMNOMNOM, TABACKY - have fun! :)
     
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    That's pretty much dependent on the creator, and kind of an old wives tale, lol. Try to consider recipes as suggestions, and tweak as you see fit, per your taste buds. I've found over time, that my taste buds prefer much less flavoring, depending on the brands used, and individual flavors involved.

    ETA: A lot of us thought we were supposed to use 20% flavoring for a total recipe, but as different brands started to become popular, we discovered we needed less, due to super/ultra concentrated brands.
     
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    It all depends on the flavor brand you're mixing with. TFA and CAP tend to need more. FA (FlavourArt) and INW (Inewera) less than them and FLV (Flavorah) is even stronger. Look up Smoky Blue on ELR. She has a bunch of recipes there using just FLV that only use 2 to 3% total and that's using 5 or more flavors!
     
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    WOW, yeah, she does, doesn't she? :eek:

    That was actually going to be my next question: with such a low total percentage, the amounts are TINY, and I have trouble even READING the itty-bitty hashmarks on my 1ml syringes (plus the print totally rubs off after a couple of weeks :p ) - the idea is to "make a small batch first, in case it's terrible," right? So at 10ml, the amounts are almost too small to MEASURE with the 1ml! The consensus also seems to be that whether "steeping" with a heating implement of some sort or not, juices all HAVE TO SIT for around a week before they're even "ready" for testing - that does NOT mix well with my instant-gratification fix! :D I see some recipes specifically cited as being "good for shake and vape," but I can't figure out what those recipes have in common, or how to find one I can suck on while I wait on my tester batches. Is it the "number of flavors," strength/vendor of the flavorings themselves, what specific flavors you're mixing (i.e., are some flavors "better" for s-and-v than others), or something else I'm not thinking of? (Or, could somebody point me to your favorite shake-and-vape; that'd work too ;) )
     
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    I would go one step further and join Smoky Blue's Facebook group.
    She is very nice and is always willing to help out If you have questions.
     
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    Oh, SWEET - didn't know there was such a thing - will do; thanks!
     
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    Oooooooo - looks tasty! (I don't have some of those in FA, but I'll fiddle with it) thanks!
     
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    Waiting long enough for it to infuse is the hardest part of DIY. I want to try it and it barely has had time for the PG/VG to blend!
     
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    She's in Facebook jail right now...
    Check out Smoky's FLV site, lots of info on flavors and she doesn't use syringes, just weight and drops. http://flvfan.com/
     
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    ERMAHGERD, you guys - thank you SOOOOOO, so much to everybody who chimed in - I made a new blueberry juice with a combo of BB Extra, FW Blueberry Cotton Candy, Blueberry Wild, and sweetener, with a TOTAL flavor percentage of TEN, and yeah, it's a LITTLE on the sweet side, and not at all "steeped," but I can TASTE THE BLUEBERRY, and it's NOT ruining my prebuilt!!!! :D :D :D *celebrating* I can TOTALLY deal with this until bigger batches have time to steep!

    I've seriously been mixing ALL my juices with ~20% total flavor, and have started making up quite a few of my own, but I totally never knew the "average percentage used" charts EXISTED!! (Also, I MAY not have to toss my DOZENS of bottles of flavors from the reseller that I was afraid before were fake!!)

    THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!

    (Also, one more question from my OP that I think got lost along the way: has anyone found pros/cons to using separate PG/VG/nic and mixing them vs. buying premixed bases? If separate, what are your favorite nicotine vendors?)
     
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    I only use separate PG/VG to make my DIY and I buy my Nicotine in VG because I want High or MAX VG and many flavors are in PG.
     
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    I think part of the problem with your original recipe was the sweet cream muting the blueberry.
    Don't think I've ever gone over 2% with it, but actually prefer TFA Dairy Milk at the same amount.
    TFA Vanilla Swirl may be another one to try with fruits.
    Some here really like FW Blueberry also.
    Mixing different brands of the same flavor is not unusual at all.
    Go easy with the sweeteners cause they can sometimes cause muting too.
    1% FA Marshmallow and 1% FA Meringue can help with sweetness & body also.
     
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    Yeah, I have VG nicotine as well - I meant what COMPANY do you buy your nicotine from/are there better/worse vendors for it?
     
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    Actually, I have tried Dairy/Milk in the past, and REALLY didn't care for it, but I'll bet I was using WAY too much back then too! Ditto for Vanilla Swirl...I do have some FA Meringue, and everybody's Marshmallow BUT FA's... :D
     
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    After more time mixing you will get the hang out of add-on flavors but usually less is more till you find your own sweet spots.
    Same can be said for trying out single flavors like fruits as stand alones first.
     
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    I love blueberry vapes. Using just one will not cut it, you really want to mix two of them to complement each other. There are quite a few so there are a shitload of options. My favorite is FW Blueberry. I've got one recipe with 6% FW and .5 Blueberry extra and it just rocks. It's the best BB recipe I've tried. Here's the link. Note the Sweet Cream at only 1%, as Heabob noted it can mute the BB. It also calls for .5% Super Sweet. Personally, I love sweet and Super Sweet is the best, imo, but it's strong. It can lead to flavor fatigue if you're not careful.

    https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/55023#bantha_milk_by_highwind
     
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    I only use Nic Select and get it from Liquid Barn. Maybe be cheaper places but with coupons and specials plus having an account just makes my life easier.
     
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    I FIGURED IT OUT, you guys!!! :eek: :D

    It's the SWEET CREAM - I mixed 2 10ml batches with the same percentages but different brands, 4% Capella Silverline BBX (TOTALLY didn't need this much!), 2% Capella Sweet Cream, and 1% Capella Simply Vanilla, and then 4% TFA BBX, 2% TFA Sweet Cream, and 1% TFA Vanillin 10%, and while they TASTE better than my original attempt that started this thread, they are GUNKING. UP. THE COIL (i.e., it's almost like a dry hit on the prebuilt), the blueberry is STILL really muted (and the juice still needs sweetener), and the BBX/BB/BB Cotton Candy mix I made a couple of days ago didn't have EITHER of those issues...

    The average % I've found for Sweet Creams in general is ~2%, but that may STILL be too much; I'm also going to experiment with using Bavarian Cream, Dairy/Milk, and maybe FA Fresh Cream (though that one smells kind of funky in the bottle too; maybe I just don't LIKE actual "cream") - has anyone else had problems with Sweet Cream messing up your mix either before or after steeping?
     
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    I've had the same problem as you....too much of a good thing isn't very good. This is the hard part of mixing juice...finding and understanding how the flavors interact with each other.
     
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    RIGHT?? I just feel stupid that I've been doing it WRONG for this long!! :p (this bb-with-sweet-cream mix is FAIRLY new, actually; I think I've only been vaping it for a few months, but STILL!) I've always liked the SMELL of Bavarian Cream better anyway, so maybe that should start being my go-to - I was just afraid of making everything taste like a DOUGHNUT! :D
     
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    I never mix up larger than 60ML bottles even with my favorite Tobacco Blends because I get bored with flavors especially when you stick with one for way too long. I do not really get tired of Tobacco Blends but do need to change them up every now and then.
     
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    But, but.....I vape 20-30ml a DAY, man!! :p I just need to get my TIMING down - I KNOW there are oodles of threads on here about steeping/sitting/etc. (and I've READ a lot of them!), but just to clarify for the particular flavors I'm working with/into at the moment - am I hearing y'all right that TFA's BB Extra needs to sit "significantly" longer than some other flavors before the flavor comes through? How long is "significantly" longer? Would a 10ml test batch be ready for testing after overnight? 3 days? A week? I did read somewhere that "smaller batches reach full flavor faster," so, where's the line with that?
     
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    I also vape between 20-40 a day but mixing up 4 60ML bottles is 240 ML's and that is just a regular run of my tobacco blends. If I start Sub Ohming a Desert after dinner I can pound 20 ML's of that in a couple of hours! The fastest I can speed infuse is with heat and electric mixing but even with that a minimum of 72 hours for total infusion I have found.
     
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    Now since I have a new Tobacco flavor I will be making 300 ML's at a clip! Shit I should have ordered another Gallon of VG............
     
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    :D I hear that! Thanks - 72 hours at least gives me a place to start!
     
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    I let my DIY mixes sit under a desk lamp with an incandescent bulb which heats it to around 100°F which speeds the infusion and allows me to shake them now and then. Remember if you use heat to never exceed 150°F or the Nicotine will degrade.
     
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    You might like TFA DX Sweet Cream and TFA DX Bavarian Cream better as they are less potent IMO.
    Hangsen Cream is another one to try, (I only need to use 0.5% because it's pretty strong).

    I've never really noticed having to steep TFA Blueberry Extra longer than any other fruits.
    But the Creams and other things mixed in with it may need more time.
    Usually 2-3 days is plenty but I'm running a 70% PG mix, which may blend together easier than higher VG mixes.
    When I use the regular TFA/CAP Bavarian Cream I have to steep them close to a month to get rid of the bite I get from them.
    The TFA DX versions don't have that effect for me though.

    My coils usually can go for a week before I have to pull the wick and dry burn, and replace the cotton.
    When I see hot spots I change out the coil too.
    Custards seem to gunk up faster, along with TFA Brown Sugar, and a couple others I can't remember ATM.
     
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