HIC's notes on Flavorah flavorings

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  1. HeadInClouds

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    (I hit the limit for post length, so this continues in message #12 of this thread.)
    Most recent addition in message #12 was Nov 7: Pumpkin Spice and Brulee

    Flavorah's ingredient testing info is here: http://www.flavorah.com/safety/

    Amaretto Sour: 2-3% A whiff of the bottle is sure promising, but I cannot coax this to taste the same when vaped. It seems to use the same ingredient that Sangria does for the intended “boozy” note. That note emerges right at 3% and tastes musty/stale to me, so I’d vape this standalone just under 3% to minimize it. There’s not enough amaretto flavor to stand out over the citrus. I taste more of the “sour” mix, including a sharp note that will remind FlavourArt fans of the sparkling zest flavor in Aurora. Tasting a drop right from the bottle confirms Flavorah included menthol, not just a cool effect. Keeping your wattage low helps some, but no combination of wattage, PG/VG, percentage of flavoring, or steeping (at least over the first few days) gives me the flavor of a real amaretto sour.

    Apple Filling: 6% Sweet cinnamon with mild red apple, accented with vanilla & light caramel. Tastes like it’s named and nicely sweet. You can easily add your favorite apple flavor(s) to enhance that aspect - or cover some/most of the mild apple flavor with stronger fruit flavors.

    Boysenberry: 6% At lower percentages it’s a pleasantly sweet, smooth, but hard-to-identify berry flavor. Around 6% it’s more obviously a dark berry flavor, still smooth and sweet, a little hint of tartness, slightly creamy, with no “musky” notes. If I didn’t see the label I’d guess it’s a berry mix featuring blueberries. Standalone 6-8% some it gets a little aromatic and tastes very much like mixed-berry-flavored chewing gum. Could be used to sweeten other berry flavors without overriding them.

    Candy Roll: 4%. Sweet, powdery, fruity candy. The “powdery” character of this flavor is similar to TFA Sweet-Tart, but Candy Roll is less tart and uses different fruit flavors. I taste an interesting combination of something like pineapple (is it guanabana?) and a dark berry/cherry that I don’t recognize from actual candies I’ve encountered. It’s intriguing. Careful with the percentage! At 6%, I suddenly tasted floral notes like baby-powder or women’s deodorant. Once you go high enough to taste that, it’s very hard to “untaste” it, even after returning to a lower percentage.

    Clove: 3% Reminiscent of an actual clove cigarette and a great start for anyone mixing a clove cig recipe. Shake your mix really well to ensure this flavoring is evenly distributed, especially if you mix high-VG.

    Cream: 2% The unmistakable flavor of diacetyl (257 ppm, according to their safety info page) is prominent in this realistic heavy-cream flavor, with its accent of fresh butter and deep notes of smooth cream cheese. It’s just lightly sweet, and excludes the distinctive, pineapple-like fruity notes found in Flavorah’s diacetyl-free cream flavors.

    Creme de Menthe: 5% Exceptional but somewhat misnamed. Mild, smooth, cool mint with chocolate. Flavor is very similar to Koppers chocolate-covered mint candies. Italian dessert fans will liken it to minty stracciatella gelato, which is a notch above American mint-chip ice cream.

    Eggnog: 8% Light flavor, lightly sweet and milky without strong spice or egg flavor. I would have identified it as a sweet cream flavor if I hadn’t seen the label.

    Frosting: 6%+ Tastes like the sweet, white, lightly-vanilla-flavored frosting on a wedding cake. This shares a flavor note with most other Flavorah cream-type flavors. If you like Flavorah cream flavors, this will probably be one of your favorites. If you enjoy sweet vapes, this would be a good Flavorah to try first to judge whether their other cream flavors will appeal to you. Frosting could be useful as a general sweetener that won’t require careful measuring - an alternative to sweetening with marshmallow flavors or Sucralose. If you’ve tried Rich Cinnamon or Apple Filling, you may recognize Frosting as the sweet part of those flavors.

    Graham Cracker: 4% Very sweet graham cracker with a number of flavor accents, including sweet, mild cinnamon-vanilla. It also includes flavor notes found in their “Milk and Honey” flavor. There’s no dark brown sugar or molasses flavor here, and it’s a “light-baked” version, not heavy on bakery notes. A subtle coconut-like accent is nearly hidden when vaped standalone, but it can pop up when mixing. Try it as a sweetener in bakery recipes; it works very well with TFA Banana Nut Bread.

    Milk and Honey: 5% Honey flavorings have a reputation for being overwhelmingly strong. This one is certainly not; the honey note is quite mild. At 3% or less, I’d argue this flavor is more of a creamy vanilla than honey. The vapor trail is not the obnoxious scent of other honey flavors, even at 5%. Over 5% a slight citrus flavor note emerges.

    Peppermint: 3%++ You’ll get full flavor similar to a peppermint breath freshener at 3%. Fans of eye-watering mint vapes can start at 5-8%. This has a stout chill factor that’s pepperminty at lower percents, with menthol flavor increasingly apparent as you use more. If you like cold, pungent menthols like Halo’s Sub-Zero you’ll like mixing with larger percentages of this one.

    Pucker: For now, I’ll just say this is not a “sour” additive, and it’s not fruity. The aroma and taste of a drop is repulsive; I suspect it’s one to use at tiny percents, but I’m too chicken to vape it yet. (Oct 4 - Flavorah informs me this is a tobacco additive; I haven't tried it that way yet, but will)

    Rich Cinnamon: While Rich Cinnamon is useful at fractions of a percent for a flavor accent and a sweetener, you can use more if your mix features sweet cinnamon. Don’t be afraid to experiment with 2% or more — this isn’t a “red hots” cinnamon flavor that blisters lips & tongue. This is sweet cinnamon with sweet vanilla, reminiscent of the glaze on a cinnamon dessert. Try using it with FA Cinnamon Ceylon to get FA’s flavor accuracy with the sweetness of Flavorah. Be sure to shake any mix with Rich Cinnamon well each time you use it, especially if you mix high-VG or max-VG; it separates.

    Root Beer 10%: Herbal root beer, not an ice-cream float. The dark licorice bit is more prominent here than in popular grocery-store brands, and there’s a (clove?) spice note that’s slightly heavy-handed right after mixing. This flavor as a standalone will appeal to you if you favor herbal sodas such as Fentimans.

    Sangria: 8% This is not a very concentrated flavor. The flavor note I believe is intended to taste boozy is not convincing to me and in my opinion makes the fruit flavors taste stale or musty. I taste berry notes that are probably intended to be a red/black grape component. I can identify orange and perhaps a little red apple as well.

    Smooth Vanilla: I don’t notice additional flavor notes as I use more than 1%, but it does require more than 1% to add detectible vanilla flavor to a mix. This is more creamy than vanilla, a little sweet, more useful as a background creamy-smoother than as a focus flavor in a mix.

    Sugar Orchid: 4% Not highly floral, despite the name. This is a mild, smooth, brightly sweet flavor with a lightly-creamy, fluffy background of soft fruity notes. The fruity notes can hide if you reduce percentage and/or wattage. A full 4% brings out the pleasant accent of sweet, smooth pineapple-citrus-banana, A pleasant stand-alone vape at 4% - nice break if you have flavor fatigue. Useful for taming sharp notes in fruit blends and for brightening deep or musky fruit flavors.

    Sun Cookie: 4-5% I don’t know what a “sun cookie” is, but this is a fairly sweet, complex flavor with notes of anise, lemon, fresh butter, and cream. Beyond 4% I detect a hint of dark licorice with the anise. I enjoy anise & licorice so I’d vape this standalone around 5% to taste that more clearly. Higher wattage, using over 4%, and/or extra PG in your base will bring out an appealing, realistic lemon zest flavor. If it’s a cookie, it’s light-baked, not caramelized. Other than the anise/licorice, this reminds me of the characteristic bakery base flavor in FA Nonna’s Cake (with extra lemon); I think fans of one would enjoy the other.

    Sweet Coconut: 5%+ Smooth, lightly creamy, sweet coconut with a subtle fruity background. You may recognize notes in common with some of Flavorah’s more exotic tropical fruits if this flavor is a major ingredient in your recipe. Can be useful to sweeten FA Coconut - or accent this flavor with a little FA Coconut for strength and flavor accuracy.

    Wheat: 2% Realistic, somewhat nutty, mildly sweet grain flavor with agreeable yeasty notes — similar to the scent of bread dough rising. No bitter or sour elements, nothing obnoxious even if you’re a little heavy-handed with it - that’s high praise for a grain flavor. Use it for a doughy accent in your cinnamon roll recipe, or as a mildly nutty blender in tobacco recipes. With some imagination and patient mixing, this flavor’s a real gem. I know of no other like it.

    Wild Melon: 3% Primarily a pleasantly-sweet, nearly-ripe, cantaloupe flavor — but the lingering flavor at the end of an exhale is a less prominent, somewhat candy-like watermelon. Varying sweetness during an exhale and the sequence (as opposed to simple combination) of two melon flavors make this interesting enough for standalone use. If you won’t be vaping it soon, use a little extra flavoring; it fades some after it sits a few days.

    (more flavors in message #12)
     
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    HIC, could you possibly elaborate on this part? "Try using it with FA Cinnamon Ceylon to get FA’s flavor accuracy"

    What ratio would you suggest for the 2 cinnamons?

    Thanks.
     
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    I need me some Pucker... :)
     
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    PS... Awesome reviews. Much appreciated.
     
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    I think of Flavorah as cinnamon-flavored glaze and FlavourArt as pure cinnamon powder, and I like either flavor in the lead. If you're using Flavorah, adding just 0.25 - 0.5% of FA makes it taste like glaze made with actual Ceylon cinnamon powder -- a more true-to-life flavor. If you're using FA, adding a tiny bit (sometimes even less than 0.15%) of Flavorah will sweeten it. To more accurately measure such small amounts, I made a little bottle of Flavorah Rich Cinnamon diluted to 10% (90% PG, since it separates quickly in pure VG). The tastiest ratio between the two cinnamon flavors comes down to personal preference and will probably vary depending on the rest of your recipe.
     
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    It's a fun one to pass around & ask people what it smells like. Just don't do it at mealtime.
     
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    Thank you for the detailed and informed answer. I'm a massive fan of cinnamon, so I'll benefit greatly from it.
     
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    Good stuff, appreciate you sharing your opinions on this brand.

    I see you provided a link to Flavorah's ingredient testing but I was wondering if you will be adding a notation for any flavors that might be a concern to those attempting to avoid diketones?
     
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    Wish these would be stickied. :)
     
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    I'm told they'll have more lab results to add soon, so I'm going to just do taste tests for now & put that off until later. I'll probably just add a "*" by names of flavors they report as containing diacetyl or subs.
     
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    If you saw only my original post, I've added quite a few to it this week.

    Just a note that Flavorah's tobacco flavors are impressing me, though I'm not ready to review any of them thoroughly yet. Many are great standalone flavors. The strength is fairly consistent, which means new DIYers can easily create some great blends. Some are proving promising in mixes to mimic popular Chinese tobacco flavors. Flavorah does provide test results on (all? most?) their tobaccos, unlike those popular Chinese brands. If you're a Hangsen fan, I think you'll find a lot of these flavors appealing.
     
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    (I've hit the limit for length on message #1 in this thread, so I'll continue in this post)

    Brûlée: At 2% standalone, this tastes like scorched whole-grain cereal — not like a dairy-based dessert, and not sweet. At 3% a sour note crept in that I’m sure was not intended. At 1% it’s a pleasant cereal-like flavor. Nothing dairy-like emerged as it aged; that sour note popped up in my 1% tester after it sat a couple days. I assume this is intended to taste like caramelized topping on creme brûlée, but I cannot coax that flavor from it.

    Cranberry: 4% An acceptable rendition of cranberry juice cocktail with a prominent earthy note that tends to stand out in mixes. Rely on other fruit flavors (like apple and orange) to sweeten it.

    Lemon Tea: 3% Zesty lemon with the authentic flavor of mild black tea. No cooling element, no honey, no mint, no superfluous flavors. The lemon element is well done - like a generous slice of fresh lemon. The tea is smooth, just a hint of bitterness (which you can accent by using more PG in your base). Tastes just like you’d expect, given the name.

    Pastry Zest: 5% One of the lightest Flavorah flavors I’ve tried, certainly usable beyond 5%. I taste top notes of lemon oil and bright apple with vanilla and light cream…with bakery notes that take some time to develop. The bakery notes are more like a soft-baked, lightly-sweet cookie than savory/rich pie crust. The sweetness here is like the vanilla-glaze part of Flavorah’s cinnamon flavors; this may lead DIYers who have worked with those Flavorah flavors to taste spice here. Some FlavourArt DIYers taste cinnamon in lemony-vanilla FA flavors - they will likely taste spice here, too, at least at higher percents. In my opinion any spice you taste in Pastry Zest is a flavor illusion, but only the Flavorah chemists know for sure.

    Pumpkin Spice: 5% Sweet, smooth spice blend built around their “Rich Cinnamon” flavor. The same sweet vanilla is also present here, plus a swirl of caramel. Most everyone will also taste clove. Few will detect any ginger (which if present is neither fresh ginger nor powdered ginger-root flavor). If there’s any nutmeg or other spice here, I can’t taste it. This is not as strongly-concentrated as Rich Cinnamon, but it also costs far less. As with other similarly-named flavorings, this is a spice flavor, not spiced pumpkin. It’s a pleasant standalone vape at 5%. Of course you can add more of any spice flavor you want to include. This flavor will not take over or drown out the rest of your recipe, so it’s not daunting for beginners to work with.

    Thai Chai: 3%+ Creamy with mild tea flavor, sweet spice (primarily cinnamon), a bit of minty coolness, and floral honey. The cream element is lighter than their Cream flavor, so no buttery or cheese-like notes. I’d guess this shares main ingredients with their Milk and Honey flavor; in fact, bystanders identified the vapor trail at a distance as “face full of honey.” Beyond 3% (I preferred 5%) I taste a citrusy/balsam-like note that I enjoy, but others may not.

    Whipped Cream: 1-4% Yes, that’s a wide range, but if you consider anywhere in that range can be “full-strength”, you’ll find wider application for this versatile flavor. DIYers who avoid diketones (Flavorah test results show none of those for Whipped Cream) but who enjoy creamy mixes should jump on this one. Be prepared to experiment. Less than 1% in a recipe with delicate flavors can be plenty - yet basing a creamy recipe around 2-3% Whipped Cream isn’t unreasonable. It’s nicely sweet, not cloying, and there’s a distinctive “mouthfeel” of a dessert topping like Cool Whip. I’d guess that might be from triacetin or something similar. Adding a little to lighter creams can capture that mouthfeel without overriding delicate flavor notes. If you like Flavorah Cream but want lighter butter/cheese notes (or less diacetyl), use Whipped Cream to partially replace it in a recipe. If you like FA Fresh Cream but want some sweetness, try adding Whipped Cream (perhaps 4:1 Fresh Cream:Whipped Cream).
     
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    This is great @HeadInClouds ! :inlove:

    Any hope of a few simple recipes using Flavorah or recipes combined with Flavourart? I’m hopeless in trying to make my own recipes ;)
     
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    Yes! Rich Cinnamon, Clove, and Whipped Cream already live with my FA flavors and likely to appear in mostly-FA recipes of mine. They all passed flavourah's testing and work well with FA, sort of filling a gap in what FA provides.

    There are several Flavorah I already enjoy as standalone flavors, and I'm trying to include that in my descriptions here. Those really don't need additions to make a tasty vape, but testing info isn't there for all of them. I've only just begun with these notes; I have dozens & dozens to try. I'm pretty sure I'll find more gems as i work through them.
     
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    Thank you for the reviews. I have Flavorah Cream and like it alot. I have some sweet cream and havent tried it yet. Curious to know what you think of it.
     
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    I have Sweet Cream, but I'm not done with my tests or notes on that one. I can say it's not a sweet version of their Cream flavor. I taste some pineapple-like notes that I recognize from some Flavorah fruit flavors.
     
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    Ok thanks. I'll look forward to your upcoming Flavorah notes.
     
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    Anyone tried cookie dough? Have it in my cart.

    Edit: from the pic it looks like it’s only cookie dough. I’ll have to add some chocolate to it. How much can you trust a picture though? Lol

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    http://flvfan.com/cookie-dough/ Cookie dough is a strong one, definitely <1% and you will need to add chocolate to get chocolate chip cookie dough. Think FLY Milk Chocolate, FLY White Chocolate, and FLV Chocolate Deutsch combined with the cookie dough to get that profile. If you go too high with the cookie dough it will get a maple flavor around 0.8% then get all chemical yuck.
     
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    I got it recently but have yet to try it. Thanks for info.
     
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    I got a couple recently. Both good I think. First impressions only-

    Chocolate Deutch- is a rich sweet dark chocolate cake. I did 1.5% and that's PLENTY. I don't know if I can vape this all day because its so rich. I'll keep it in an old Griffin and vape it like a treat occasionally.

    Macaroon- is a cookie of some sort. When I tasted it I imagined it tasted like the pucture they use (Which is a macaron not macaroon). I got zero coconut from this at 1.5% but the flavor is there. Its pleasant and I'd imagine you could do all sorts of stuff with this one. I'd say this one is a little weaker than the CD but I'm no expert.

    I suck at reviews lol. Sorry for the intrusion HIC. I'll keep trying these and add anything I might notice.
     

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