I have to vent!

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  1. DonBaldy

    DonBaldy Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    Y'all know I'm normally very mild mannered and even tempered. I like to joke, have fun, and generally be silly, but GOD DAMMIT I'm so tired of the self righteous, holier than though attitudes commonly expressed here concerning mech mods. One of the absolute few things that will blow my fuse is being treated like an idiot. I'm not an electrical engineer, but MF'er I know enough to ask questions. It also damn sad that I have to pick and choose who to ask said question so I don't get the verbal tongue lashing for daring to ask a God Damn question. Not knowing and asking a question does not mean that individual is too stupid to understand an answer. One of the best part of VU is we help people except when it comes to mechs and then we go off on them and tell them they will blow their face off. Yes mechs take more safety and attention than other mods, but they really aren't that hard.

    I know many who do try to take the time to educate. I'm not venting about you. I know I should stay away from the mechs sub, but that's my favorite way to cape and also some of my favorite people post there most often.
     
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    I usually take the time to try to educate, but only when the OP states that they are new to mechs. I almost see it as our obligation as experienced users to give some advice, none of us want to read about a new member here who blew up a tube because they didn't know ohms law or battery safety.

    If someone is already a mech user I don't comment unless I see something mentioned that is likely to cause a disaster.

    Anyway, that's my approach and yes, I've seen people with a holier than thou approach that's offputting so I know where you're coming from.
     
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    DonBaldy Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    That is the education approach that is needed and many members do take this approach, but there's many who jump to treating people like idiots that are too stupid to use a mech...And then there's them members who treat other members, who've been here a long time and uses mostly mechs, like freaking idiots for asking a question.

    I know I should be able to let this go and not be so worked up, but dammit I guess I am human.
     
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    I don't blame you at all. The treating people like idiots was an approach I saw far too often over on ECF and it was something I found different over here for the most part. It's too bad there's the odd member here who feels the need to try and put themselves above others.

    I personally would shut that shit down by calling their behavior out.

    Either way, you're respected here by the majority of people, fuck the ones who don't treat you like you treat people
     
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    Nothing wrong with venting Don. I try to use the mind over matter approach. If I don't mind, they don't matter. Sometimes it works, sometimes not, but you get the idea. You are held in high regard and respected here.
     
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    Ya know what I say? Fuck em. I have been known to attempt to remove ones teeth with my knuckles a few times when people talk to me like I'm an idiot. Go off as much as you want. It's natural to get pissed when people are assholes for no apparent reason.
     
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    Btw. I'm willing to call said fuckwad out @BoomStick no one was saying anything close to what you were being an asshole about. So if you dont mind, stop acting high and mighty. You're no better than anyone else. Talking as if you are had proven you are in fact NOT at the same level as most. Asshat
     
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    Ya.. i have felt that way a few times after asking question that i half knew answers to but just wanted clarification on. Now i have my go to members for certain topics.
     
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    we should be here for each other damm straight Mech's indeed have there place. i have used them before i found a regulated i like and with the few examples of poorly educated users i have seen an uptick in the dont blow your face off responses.
    The best thing about VU is just that You see some dumb shit stay within the rules and call them out on it. i have noticed not just here but other places that there are always a few people who Help while educating and quite a few more who behave as you have described nothing wrong with blowing off some steam.
     
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    Vent, mate, but whatever you do don't put yourself back on the charger after you vented... because we still want you to be safe. :giggle:

    But seriously, do you really think you should stay away from the mechs sub? I mean... seriously? .. Why????????
     
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    Yep, I had someone say to me that they didn’t want a certain mech to blow off my pretty little face. On this forum! Kinda patronizing (and complimentary in a bizarre way lol) but off putting definitely!



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    Is said person even a member here?


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    See now, I could NOT handle being a woman. Comments like that would make me loose my shit way to often.
     
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    Some of this kind of behavior stems from the drive through morons who obviously have no business using mechs (or anything that doesn't include a helmet and pads for that matter) and those with some/vast/certain knowledge just assume everyone is dumb, but them (which is silly, self-aggrandizing and pretentious).

    There are some who have a kneejerk reaction to mech questions and immediately spill out with death warnings. We should all be more mindful of this and try to gauge someone's experience before going one way or the other as a blanket statement doesn't apply to every person. In a year or so time, mechs will be what people have to go back to when all their cheap China electronic mods start wetting the bed. I think everyone does this to some degree or another and all we can do is assess and determine how much we are willing to aid some person with questions.

    Its good practice to ask some questions to determine if one is willing to help another but assuming another knows nothing is a good way to look like an asshole.

    I personally trust mechanical devices more so than banking on some unknown Chinese manufacturer to actually build a quality device with working protections, but in that same breath, believe in personal accountability and like my teeth, so I follow the best practices.

    I know Don in human and the dude is good with straight power. I admire his curiosity and lack of pretending for things he has never seen or used. More people should be like him and if they were the false bravado would be nonexistent and the information sharing would be more useful across the board. It is literally impossible for a single person to have touched every single device, and hold every piece of knowledge. Crowdsourcing this kind of information is invaluable. With the right people sharing an outside observer can generally gain enough knowledge about an item to know if it will work for them or not and in some cases how to use it before ever having touched it. That makes the community safer in general.
     
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    I am guilty of the 'doom and gloom' of mech warnings - but with good reason.

    I am an avid fan of mechanical mods. I am also an avid fan of warm to hot Vapes in general. However, I have seen people make egregious errors with their mechs and nothing pissed me off more than careless behavior. So I say to anyone - use what you want. Use what you're comfortable with. Just know (and have the decency) to own up, if you fuck up. If you're running a build that draws 90Amps on a 5Amp battery, and it vents, in your face, have the courtesy to say - "it's my fault, nobody else's, that I didn't take time to study my batteries."

    That's all I really ask. That and don't store your mech mod or loose batteries in your pockets. It's not only dangerous, but it's bad practice. Even with locking switches, recessed buttons, etc. I refuse to carry my mechs in my pockets. Why? Because I love the appearance of my devices first off and second - you are the safety measure when it comes to mechs.

    Other than that - I encourage people to try mechs. I have them, I love them, they just work. And I plan to share my love with all.
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    In mind mind its why forums and message boards were introduced... to have those room type discussion on a topic to gather information from different sources and help form a global worldview from those members

    I think it’s good and healthy for a community to challenge a position as part of a discussion, less so when it spirals into personality conflicts

    however no forum is free from it, price you pay to enter the room ...I do think this forum handles it well for the most part, let things play out and people choose to avoid or conflict over things

    asked myself the question of when is it right removing asshats, those who constantly derail, but in the end as long as the larger number of community does good it balances out and sets the culture tone and we each decide how that works out...do one good thing each day and so it goes :)

    takes all sorts to make the world go round, life would be dull if we all got on all of time, way I look at it is; it gives us something to get together to vent over ...still get a community thing going on with different pockets :cheers:
     
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    I understand that and not in any way disputing the giving of warnings, but it often times (not by you as this is the first post from you I've seen) comes across as condescending and elitist.

    For example, new member or member new to mechs wanders into that section of the forum and asks "can someone recommend a build for xyz atomizer on xyz tube mod?" and the first response of many is to jump all over them in long winded diatribes that essentially come across as mechs and unless you're me don't use them, it often times turns into an argument or dick size contest, and then we go and flash out fancy 199% silver this or that.

    Go back and search those threads and try to read them from a perspective of a mew forum member or someone who's new to mechs. We all started somewhere. At some point all of knew absolutely nothing. I got my first mech in a grab bag at a local shop ( in hind sight, that was a poor choice for a grab bag by the shop owner) and I knew enough to go and learn about them before I even attempted a build. I had to learn by reading tons of old threads and finally identifying those members I knew didn't mind educating. Those members also had a way of giving the warnings without treating you like an idiot. I wouldn't ask questions in open discussions because I'd seen too many people get their head bitten off and talked down too. Sadly many of those members don't post much in those sections anymore for their own reasons of which I don't know.

    I also agree about admitting to one's mistakes, in fact that is what started this whole venting. I had the gall to admit that I didn't know everything and got belittled for it.

    There will always be examples of the "hold my beer and watch this" crowd. There will always be people that won't listen to what they are being told, and some just can't be taught, but we should strive, as a community, to politely educate those that are willing to ask. By doing so we reduce the number of newsworthy mistakes and share the joy of the vape a mech provides.
     
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    Insightful as always Kingpin!.
     
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    As usual you and I are on the same page. As a whole, and not just in the mech section, we see a new member and have a tendency to assume that because they are new to this forum that they know nothing of vaping and if they start off with "i'm not a noob" or similar we see it as passive aggressive. I guess that's where we've gone as a society.
     
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    I don't blame DonBaldy for taking offence and wanting to vent, but some of y'all might slow your roll at bit. The offending member (and he is a member) has been a member for four years, is a Gold Contributor, has 3,008 posts, 1,956 Likes and 113 Trophy Points. Maybe he was just having a bad day. It happens to the best of us.
     
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    I agree but calling out others for calling out others is just as bad form. In fact, in reflection, I could have handled it much differently in thread. By loosing my cool as I did I was no better then the other member and as you said, how do I know he wasn't just having a bad day? These members are within their rights to bring about as they see fit. As Kingpin! said, the members here do tend to work things out for themselves.

    While I am very grateful for those members having my back. My venting here was not about him directly, which is why I didn't mention him or refer to any specific individual, but instead brought to light a ( in MY opinion) larger issue and creating a discussion about that issue.
     
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    I like Boomstick quite well and while some have a tendency to dog pile, I dont think that is the spirit of this thread at all. We do as a community need to be mindful of newcomers and those with questions or they will end up in the asshole of internet forums on ECF or Planet of the Vapes (which both suck balls) learning how to be a brick in the wall asshole to everyone.

    This is something that has been discussed in great detail elsewhere and it would be amazing to see in practice. We all need each other more than ever now with all the banning going on. Come May of next year, new stuff will either be Chinese or second hand for our lot. Innovation will be in the form of small run builders moonlighting in friendly countries or clandestine operations willing to risk the repercussions of prohibition.

    Personally, it would be my preference to see everyone learning and using mech devices because we would (in theory) get more awesomeness from the manufacturing side as a result and it wouldn't be all high dollar boutique stuff. Let's be real, most of the low to mid end mech stuff is mediocre or just junk at best. A few gems get through every now and then and periodically a decent clone shows up but by and large its all just the same crap with a different name and wrapper. There has been only a trickle of innovation the last couple years, the rest has been decorative.
     
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    well said :cheers:
     
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    I do not know the person, though I have no doubt that he is an intelligent individual with a vast knowledge of mechanical mods and vaping. While I do not like what was said or the manner in which it was said, I will NOT make any detrimental comments about him or his character. There is a very distinct difference which I feel 99% of the people on VU are equipped to know the difference.

    And correct. Bashing an individual is nowhere close to the intention of this thread.
     
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    Yes, it makes you want to connect your fist to their mouth!!


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    But I’ve said that I’m a noob about certain things (like mechs), and I didn’t mean to sound aggressive or passive. I know about the gear I vape with, but I haven’t been vaping long enough this time round to know a lot of other stuff.

    But I’m not really caring if people think I sound dumb, it happens a lot to me unfortunately!


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    Since the Asshole hasn't responded in this thread we can see he is wrong. IF he was so right he would have commented but we see Venting was called for and he is lucky he wasn't called out on it.
     
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    I see where you're coming from. If you asked a simple question, you should get an honest answer. You might not like the answer, but it should be honest and an answer.

    And yes, there are those that are elitists that assume that should you ask a question pertaining to a tube mod, that you must be stupid. That's not the case at all. Some people just don't know. So, it's our duty to guide and aid where we can.

    As for new members, I get it. At one time I was a vaping nubbins. I've done great shit, I've done dumb shit, and I've done ok shit. The fact is, I've done shit. And if a newbie has a question pertaining to a piece of gear that I may have experience with, again, I try to guide them.

    On the opposite end of the spectrum though, you have anti-mechs. People that see anything even close to a mech, they'll demonize it. Like, why? Is it, or is it not a piece of vape gear? Does it work for some people? Is it reliable for those that use them? Does everyone feel the same way about them that you do?

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    How many times have you seen someone post asking a question about a build for a med you you see it turn into an almost bashing the poster and NO ONE ever offers an attempt at providing an answer to the question asked. Not hard to suggest some coils and then provide the requisite warnings about batteries and such. Answer the person's question.


    This I have no answer for how to correct. I think there will always be people so afraid of them that's easier to demonize.
     
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    As another perspective, maybe he doesn't want to voluntarily jump into the pit where rocks are being hurled or he sees no point in throwing gas on a fire.

    It's also easily possible that I took it completely out of the context that he meant. Like I said, I have no wish to bash to guy or anyone.
     
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    More times than I care to admit. I find it distasteful, honestly. So here's some of the questions I've had asked to me:

    Q: How low should I build on a mech?
    A: Depends on battery and material, honestly. Certain materials fluctuate as they're heated, either dropping the resistance or raising the resistance. The lower the resistance, the higher the amperage required.

    Q: Just got a mech, am contemplating putting dual fuse Clapton's in the RDA, any advice?
    A: DON'T DO IT! Builds like that are best suited being ran on either a regulated mod or a series box mod. The amount of power required is doubled sometimes trippled the more wire you use on a coil. You'll be disappointed if you try it

    Q: I plan on running stacked batteries in my mech, any suggestions on batteries?
    A: Any batteries will do, so long as the ratings match what you plan on doing. I don't suggest mixing a VTC5A with a VTC6. OR an LGHB6 with a VTC. Buy your batteries in sets, charge and discharge them at the same time, and I always use 30A LG's because it gives you more clearance when it comes to building with lower resistance wires. It's best to buy the same batteries when doing that. IE 2 VTC5s, VTC6s, HB6s, etc.

    Q: I was looking at a hybrid mech, but can't figure out which atty to put on it.
    A: Try to find an atty with an adjustable pin or one with a long enough pin to make solid contact against the top of the battery. If you're not sure, take the atty, place the positive or negative against the base of the pin and ensure nothing else touches the battery can. If nothing else makes contact, it should be fine.

    Anything else is usually a matter of preference. Some like copper, some like brass, some like steel, some like aluminum. I say copper or brass is best for conductivity, but high maintenance. Aluminum and steel, terrible for conductivity but easier to maintain. Some like greasing their contact points (points of friction), others not so much, some like to force patina, some don't. Same applies when it comes to contacts. Some love springs, some love magnets. Some love gold plated, some love pure silver, some love copper, brass, etc.

    As for the rest of that stuff, no relief from the mech haters...

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    It’s mostly from stories about kids (yet again it’s the kids), who blow themselves up because their mom bought then a mech as their first mod. Or similar happy horse shit.


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    I love the appearance of my devices too, which is why I always wrap a clear plastic food storage bag (3 liters, no ziploc or anything... just a regular type of deep freeze bag) upside down around my tube mech before I put the tube upright into the empty side pocket of my pants. The bag not only protects the appearance, but also it keeps out dust specks coming off of the fabric of my pocket, and, the bag is just big enough that I can crumple a part of it in such a way that the crumpled part acts like a cushion underneath so it keeps my mod from tearing a hole inside my pocket. If I'm on an RDA, first I always make sure to vape it dry. I also always make sure my coils are cooled down completely, by blowing on them a few times if needed, before I put on the bag.

    However, I never put a mech in my pocket excepting only if the mech in question is the type of mech that not only has a recessed or flush button, but also has a firm enough button throw, isn't the side firing type, and that can't start firing on its own, i.e. due to how it is designed and constructed and due to my having familiarized myself thoroughly with it... whilst at the same time also remembering at all times to pay extra attention to everything that goes on around me, also including my own actions, so there can be no surprises. (The reason why I think it is dangerous to walk in the woods at night is because, if a billiards table falls out of a tree, I'm dead.)
     
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    A while ago I picked up some flashlight cases that are zippered on the side. Dont remember where they came from but they were cheap and they are perfect for storing a mech in a pocket. The shape of it makes it damn near impossible to jiggle the button and the inside is felt lined for the sake of vanity. Let me see if I can dig the exact model up, they were cheap too and a mech collector like yourself would benefit greatly from them
     
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    Yeah, I'm vain with my mechs for sure. Not concerned too much with the autofiring as usually, my battery isn't in my mech should I have it in my pocket, but I still don't carry it in my pocket. Nothing says expensive replacement like storing your mech just to get scratched, nicked, dented, chipped or worse, dropped while trying to get it out of the pocket.

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    He's been having a bad day quite a lot lately TBH.
     
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    If that's the case then that completely sucks. Hate for that to be the case.
     
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    You're obviously a really nice guy, but I honestly think you're giving him too much credit. There wasn't anything to take out of context there, just pure arrogance.
     
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