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vapornewb

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So my Migvape Morpheus came in as well as my liquids from Vaporfi. It took watching the instructional video a few times for me to figure out where everything went and how to load the tank but, I did it. My first inhale was trepidatious but the second was a giant cloud. I only did those first two - this morning though, my throat feels scratchy - am I being overdramatic?
The experience was so cool - the pineapple flavor was intense and sweet - loved it!
 

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So my Migvape Morpheus came in as well as my liquids from Vaporfi. It took watching the instructional video a few times for me to figure out where everything went and how to load the tank but, I did it. My first inhale was trepidatious but the second was a giant cloud. I only did those first two - this morning though, my throat feels scratchy - am I being overdramatic?
The experience was so cool - the pineapple flavor was intense and sweet - loved it!
Make sure, you drink plenty. Vaping dehydrates your body. If you show more symptoms than a scratchy throat, you might be allergic to an ingredient of the liquid. Some people are allergic to PG, on rare occasion VG. Otherwise, since you never smoked, you might just need to get used to vaping.
 

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A slightly scratchy throat is normal at first. Both PG and VG are desiccants, meaning they draw moisture out of whatever they touch. So they're bouncing around in your throat and the water in there is attaching to the PG/VG molecules and making its way out as you exhale them. They're also very minor irritants - nothing serious, but something that can take some getting used to.

In the meantime, drink a lot of water and ease yourself into it. Avoid things that cause dry mouth like coffee and soda. As you become acclimated to it, that feeling should pass and then it will be business as usual. Your body can adapt and learn to compensate for it by keeping more of that water you're drinking, but it takes time.

You may want to experiment with different PG/VG ratios. Many people are more sensitive to one or the other. Finding the right balance can go a long way towards finding a more comfortable vape.

That being said, the nic is what's gonna contribute most to harshness. It has a cloying, peppery feel to it. Sometimes it's better to lower your nic and vape more often than go with super-high nic and vape a little here and there (though this is really only true if the PG/VG aren't to blame for the harshness.) The former tends to be more pleasant. Besides, with a high-power, sub-ohm setup, high nic isn't really necessary, as they deliver substantial amounts of vapor, meaning less is more, nicotine-wise. Since you're a non-smoker, you can probably go very low with the nic. 3-6mg should be more than enough. Any more than that is probably gonna be harsh, not to mention overkill.

All the best! Hope it works out well for you! You just gotta spend some more time with it and experiment with different juice formulations until you find a balance that works for you.
 

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Thanks for the advice...the juice I have is from VaporFI Grand Reserve
It is VG/PG 70/30 and nicotine is 1.5mg/mL
 

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Welcome Vapornewb to VU :wave:
I am from the UK and we say VG/PG, thus it would be 70/30.
 

robot zombie

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Lol, the PG/VG - VG/PG definitely says things about what breed of vaper you are. Only certain ones understand why it's PG/VG.

Imagine if one day, everyone who used imperial measurements switched to metric and vice versa... ...confusing, right?
 

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I don't consider myself to be a "breed of vaper" personally. It's about finding a device that works best for you. I was a smoker for 20 years and switched to vaping 7 years ago and that's all there is to it as far as l am concerned. Regarding VG/PG or PG/VG; the art of communication is being understood. So if there is any misunderstanding just explain what you mean. Simplez:)
 

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I don't consider myself to be a "breed of vaper" personally. It's about finding a device that works best for you. I was a smoker for 20 years and switched to vaping 7 years ago and that's all there is to it as far as l am concerned. Regarding VG/PG or PG/VG; the art of communication is being understood. So if there is any misunderstanding just explain what you mean. Simplez:)
My point is that people who started at different times are gonna see it differently. I can remember a time when it was universally PG/VG. Gradually, it became VG/PG and there were more misunderstandings.

The problem I see with it has to do with efficiency. With people using both interchangeably, you now have to state which designation you're referring to every time. It creates misunderstandings that don't need to exist or be clarified in the first place. In the past, you could say "90/10" and everyone would understand that you're referring to a juice that's 90% PG. Now, for people to know what you're talking about, you would have to say "90/10 PG/VG or 10/90 VG/PG."

And not everyone clarifies because they're used to saying it one way and have it in their heads that other people will understand simply because that's how it used to be! You could be saying the opposite of what you mean depending on who you're talking to.

There was a time when specifying which was which was unnecessary, as there was only one way to interpret it. Now, there are two, neither of which have any advantages over the others. If the art of communication is being understood, then our language should be based around the simplest, most universally understood terms. The goal is to be as concise and unambiguous as possible while still conveying all of the information. Extraneous terms are undesirable outside of creative writing - they make communication more ambiguous than it has to be. What the split has done is made it so that we now have to include more descriptors to convey the exact same information. Something has been added, but nothing has been gained.

Of course there are ways around the issue, but that's beside the fact that having two designations for the ratio offers no benefit and makes the lexicon clunkier.

Admittedly, I am nitpicking, but it's one of those things that unnecessarily complicates matters and drives me nuts. If everyone would stick to one, we'd all be better off. Which one sticks is arbitrary, so long as there is only one. It's a silly thing to be divided over.
 
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Dunno what alphabet you use.
The v comes before the p in my alphabet if ya know what i mean

And welcome @vapornewb it's fun here most the time. Just don't make a post bout clones than the blood will flow. It gets kinda ugly lol.

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vapornewb

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The v comes before the p in my alphabet if ya know what i mean

And welcome @vapornewb it's fun here most the time. Just don't make a post bout clones than the blood will flow. It gets kinda ugly lol.

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Or state VG% before the PG%
 

skiball

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Or state VG% before the PG%
Honestly them small potatoes compared to some debates. Be glad the tc controversy is over. Those were some dark days indeed lol.

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I think it's good and fine to debate all of those things. I enjoy talking about all of them. The key is to not get too emotionally invested in opinions or start taking things personally - that's when it becomes a detriment.

Most folks here do a pretty good job at staying in their lanes and focusing on the arguments rather than the people making them. In fact, part of what draws me to this place is the fact that people are willing to be good sports about discussing controversial subjects. The user base is very diverse - people aren't gonna agree on much of anything. We have sort of an unspoken understanding of that here. People expect that from one another.

I think we're much better off than many other communities in that regard. You can speak your mind and people might express conflicting sentiments, but you won't be lambasted for having an unpopular opinion... ...MOST of the time. Most people will calmly tell you what they think. The bulk of the regulars here are not super-sensitive people. This is actually a very laid-back forum! You can have discussions here that would more easily devolve into shitfests pretty much anywhere else. This is a very special, relatively bullshit-free place.

Also just wanna say, I don't think anybody actually cares that much about the PG/VG thing lol. Not exactly the most contentious topic.
 

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I think it's good and fine to debate all of those things. I enjoy talking about all of them. The key is to not get too emotionally invested in opinions or start taking things personally - that's when it becomes a detriment.

Most folks here do a pretty good job at staying in their lanes and focusing on the arguments rather than the people making them. In fact, part of what draws me to this place is the fact that people are willing to be good sports about discussing controversial subjects. The user base is very diverse - people aren't gonna agree on much of anything. We have sort of an unspoken understanding of that here. People expect that from one another.

I think we're much better off than many other communities in that regard. You can speak your mind and people might express conflicting sentiments, but you won't be lambasted for having an unpopular opinion... ...MOST of the time. Most people will calmly tell you what they think. The bulk of the regulars here are not super-sensitive people. This is actually a very laid-back forum! You can have discussions here that would more easily devolve into shitfests pretty much anywhere else. This is a very special, relatively bullshit-free place.

Also just wanna say, I don't think anybody actually cares that much about the PG/VG thing lol. Not exactly the most contentious topic.
You said it. I don't think people care that much. We have members here from all over the world. Some of us will say VG/PG or vice versa.
 

Adam Paseman

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I think the flip flop of pg/vg to vg/pg is based on which was/is the primary. In the was the primary so it was stated first, lately vg has become the primary so it has been stated first. Kind if like how ingredients are labled on food-from highest to lowest. Just a thought.


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OK so I have vaped a few times over the course of the past 4 days, the most I have vaped was earlier this evening taking about 7 inhales from the vaporizer. What, if anything, am I supposed to be feeling - I thought the nicotine would give me some sort of feeling - all I am getting really is a scratchy throat. Is it because I am not vaping enough at one time or the nicotine level I chose was too low (1.5mg)? Thank you for the advice as always.
 

Adam Paseman

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You know it's not supposed to get you high right? You may get a nicotine buzz-which is just feeling a little light headed-not really a pleasurable feeling. Vaping is more about flavor-and for many a substitute (healthier) to smoking. Eventually if you get addicted to nicotine you will get a "relieving" feeling when your body craves it and you get it.

Honestly-i don't personally see a point in vaping with nic if you're not already addicted to it.....why get addicted to something when you can do it without? Nicotine isn't good for you-may not be terrible but it does have effects on your heart and blood pressure. Anyways, that's my take.


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OK so I have vaped a few times over the course of the past 4 days, the most I have vaped was earlier this evening taking about 7 inhales from the vaporizer. What, if anything, am I supposed to be feeling - I thought the nicotine would give me some sort of feeling - all I am getting really is a scratchy throat. Is it because I am not vaping enough at one time or the nicotine level I chose was too low (1.5mg)? Thank you for the advice as always.
Hello - the itchy throat you have mentioned before. The advice you were given is useful. It is common for this to happen when you first start vaping, even if you smoked before vaping. Give it a little more time. The symptoms may reduce once you get use to vaping. That is what usually happens as you become more tolerant to it. You have been vaping intermittenly for 4 days now? Give it a little or time. Regarding what are you suppose to be feeling. The feelings should be something like, pleasure, relief, mellow,content. Your nicotine level is low, that said you were a non smoker before vaping? Nicotine is an addictive stimulant, that is why smokers are addicted to cigs. Also that is why ex smokers who now vape use nicotine in their e liquid. So if l where you l would keep my nicotine low (or omit it) until you get use to vaping and try to use ejuice with a lot of flavour. Just the flavour of alone makes vaping enjoyable. Personally l can vape with or without nicotine, because the flavour is sooo nice.
 

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Thank you for all the replies. As mentioned previously, I am experimenting with nicotine to help with symptoms of colitis. I am also going to try using liquid with CBD in it (as cannabinoids have be known to help stomach issues (THC is illegal in NY without prescription and, my one experience with a doctor in NY that was certified to prescribe it was horrific - basically a money scam and I have reported him to NY Medical Board - the idiot actually LOST my medical file) -- so, I am attempting to fix the problem myself and if CBD can do the trick or nicotine, then that is what I am going to do - it is a much better trade off then the symptoms of colitis everyday.
 

Adam Paseman

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Sorry, read through this post and didn't see anything regarding colitis. Obviously if nicotine helps you with that, then it's a no brainier.

Like people have said, it takes getting used to-think of it this way, our lungs were meant for one thing, and introducing other things your bodies initial reaction is gonna be irritation. Despite being a smoker for more years than i care to say out loud, my initial experience with vaping was a hacking cough. I truly thought to myself that there was no way I could do this....but look at me now lol


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vapornewb

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Ahhh You are correct, I mentioned my colitis issue in my introduction thread (sorry about that)
 

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