Moving to mech

[zlowly]

Hi everyone, i got a question
i just got bored on my normal mod (evic mini) and yeah i would love to start moving to Mechs mod
i just search and watched video in youtube that explains about ohm law and such, but the question is how to use it in mech? where does the Wattage fit in the ohm's law? even though i already know about the law i still don't know how to definitely not make my battery blew up on my face.

 

[KingPin!]

@JuicyLucy noted you use them Lucy

 

[r055co]

If you take the time and do your research Mech's are awesome, if you don't you'll be like those idiots on the news with their faces melted. With Mech's you are responsible for your own safety, not some chip or some mass produced item. Follow the rules and you're IMO safer than regulated mod's, but if you don't follow the simple but extremely important rules you're fucked.

Here's my lecture I give to people thinking of getting into Mech's -

1. Ohm's law, http://www.steam-engine.org/ makes it easy and there's even an app on it for Android
2. Batteries, fucking batteries, take good care of your batteries and know them!!!!!!!!
a. Avoid shit batteries like eFest who rewrap rejects with grossly inflated amp ratings. Stick with authentic LG, Sony or Samsung from reputable (not ebay or amazon) sources, great places to get authentic are
http://liionwholesale.com/
https://www.imrbatteries.com/
b. Stick well within Continuous Discharge Rate (CDR) Not the "pulse", pulse is bullshit hypothetical ratings
c. Keep up to date with what Mooch tests and battery ratings, follow his posts on Facebook and his Blog
d. In Mod's with multiple batteries, marry them.
e. Get some battery wraps, they're cheap and easy to re-wrap batteries. Any nicks,tears or what ever don't be stupid and just re-wrap.
3. Don't build stupid low a good builder can chuck and get awesome dense vape from a good build. It's simple, with 20 CDR Amp batteries -
a. Single battery mod's you're fine with .2 ohms on up
b. Dual Parallel you're fine with .15 on up. Parallel you take the full CDR of one battery and you can add 1/2 the amp rating of the next battery
c. Series you double the voltage but you share the amp. So a series you build high with a lot of wire, no lower that .4 ohms.
4. Make sure you don't have any shorts. For an extra caution any new build I vape on a regulated mod for a few drips or with a tank about a 1/4 tank. This is to insure nothing wonky with my build or any shorts.
5. Careful if it's not in your hand, if it doesn't have a lock on the button and you pit it in your pocket (which I really don't recommend) insure nothing else is in your pocket and it's loose. Don't want to put it in your front jeans pocket and blow your dick off ya know
6. Last but certainly NOT the least, keep it clean! Clean it when you first get it "before" you even use it and clean it on a regular basis.
a. Ultrasonics are a very good investment, got mine off Amazon for around $25.

 

[KingPin!]

If you take the time and do your research Mech's are awesome, if you don't you'll be like those idiots on the news with their faces melted. With Mech's you are responsible for your own safety, not some chip or some mass produced item. Follow the rules and you're IMO safer than regulated mod's, but if you don't follow the simple but extremely important rules you're fucked.

Here's my lecture I give to people thinking of getting into Mech's -

1. Ohm's law, http://www.steam-engine.org/ makes it easy and there's even an app on it for Android
2. Batteries, fucking batteries, take good care of your batteries and know them!!!!!!!!
a. Avoid shit batteries like eFest who rewrap rejects with grossly inflated amp ratings. Stick with authentic LG, Sony or Samsung from reputable (not ebay or amazon) sources, great places to get authentic are
http://liionwholesale.com/
https://www.imrbatteries.com/
b. Stick well within Continuous Discharge Rate (CDR) Not the "pulse", pulse is bullshit hypothetical ratings
c. Keep up to date with what Mooch tests and battery ratings, follow his posts on Facebook and his Blog
d. In Mod's with multiple batteries, marry them.
e. Get some battery wraps, they're cheap and easy to re-wrap batteries. Any nicks,tears or what ever don't be stupid and just re-wrap.
3. Don't build stupid low a good builder can chuck and get awesome dense vape from a good build. It's simple, with 20 CDR Amp batteries -
a. Single battery mod's you're fine with .2 ohms on up
b. Dual Parallel you're fine with .15 on up. Parallel you take the full CDR of one battery and you can add 1/2 the amp rating of the next battery
c. Series you double the voltage but you share the amp. So a series you build high with a lot of wire, no lower that .4 ohms.
4. Make sure you don't have any shorts. For an extra caution any new build I vape on a regulated mod for a few drips or with a tank about a 1/4 tank. This is to insure nothing wonky with my build or any shorts.
5. Careful if it's not in your hand, if it doesn't have a lock on the button and you pit it in your pocket (which I really don't recommend) insure nothing else is in your pocket and it's loose. Don't want to put it in your front jeans pocket and blow your dick off ya know
6. Last but certainly NOT the least, keep it clean! Clean it when you first get it "before" you even use it and clean it on a regular basis.
a. Ultrasonics are a very good investment, got mine off Amazon for around $25.

@r055co awesome right there! Thanks that will help me as well no end when I get a mech! saves me asking as well lol

 

[r055co]

Follow up is with Mech's it's about the build and you need some experience building. I checked your post history and it appears you've got experience building. What fucking amazes me are people who don't know how to build but are using Mech's, I run into them from time to time.

Mech's it's all about the build, you build to the device combination (atty, mod and battery). For me and other's that's one of the major draws to Mech's, something about finding that right build is just .................. divine

 

[KingPin!]

If you were directing at me there ... still learning about building so I don't plan to get a mech yet gonna learn to do that safely first when I'm competent enough only then will I get a mech ...also I'd have to get myself a whole load of new batteries don't trust my current ones outside a regulated mod, not that they suck, they don't. But still want to know I can safely get at least 20a CDR on the battery

 

[gbalkam]

Hi everyone, i got a question
i just got bored on my normal mod (evic mini) and yeah i would love to start moving to Mechs mod
i just search and watched video in youtube that explains about ohm law and such, but the question is how to use it in mech? where does the Wattage fit in the ohm's law? even though i already know about the law i still don't know how to definitely not make my battery blew up on my face.

First of all, don't rush into buying a mech. I was 7 months vaping before I bought my mech, and only after a discussion with the vendor. You absolutely MUST be very good at building coils. Otherwise owning a mech is pointless.

Now, about the wattage. It is not just a simple matter of watching a video on youtube. You need to know what the resistance of your coils will be, and allow 4.2V for your battery power. In fact, lock it in on the ohms law calculator.
So what you need to do, is figure how warm you want to vape, (heat flux) and how many watts it will take to hit that temp, then how much resistance you need, while staying below the CDR (20, 25,30A-depending on your batteries posted CDR)

So for example, lets use a 20A battery and 4.2v current. (do your calculations based on a fully charged battery)

20A
4.2V
----------------------- Yields------------------------
0.21 ohm resistance
and 84 Watts power.

so now you take the 0.21 resistance and build your coil so your heat flux is between 200 and 300 mw/mm2 (depending on how warm you like your vape. To do this, you need to use higher gauge wire and number of wraps, to make a coil with low enough mass to run at 84W and give the vape temp you want.

Now you see why I studied this for 7 months before buying a mech. You money would be much better spent on one of those new 360W regulated mods. That will fire even the most obscene coil porn you can build.

Just as an example, i will link my Kennedy build.. it is 0.22 ohm. 4x 7 wrap 24g kanthal A1. on a 200W box at 140w.

Also.. buy ONLY Samsung, Sony, or LG batteries. They are top quality, first run, brand name and passed manufacturer quality assurance tests, and they are very picky about what they put their name on! I would recommend the Samsung 25R to start. They have a lower running temperature, so heat up slower than other batteries.

See...
http://vaping360.com/top-5-18650-batteries-for-vaping/
for more info.

 

[gbalkam]

Just an additional note. A lot of people notice we harp and nag and bully about buying Samsung, Sony, LG batteries and not buying re-wrapped or cheap assed batteries. This is why..
This was done with 2 SONY batteries..

Hard short.. notice what did NOT happen? (They did not go BOOM)

 

[JuicyLucy]

Follow up is with Mech's it's about the build and you need some experience building. I checked your post history and it appears you've got experience building. What fucking amazes me are people who don't know how to build but are using Mech's, I run into them from time to time.

First of all, don't rush into buying a mech. I was 7 months vaping before I bought my mech, and only after a discussion with the vendor. You absolutely MUST be very good at building coils. Otherwise owning a mech is pointless.

These guys have very good advice - the coil is critical when using a mech.

However, you can quite safely use atties with prebuilt coil cartridges (or whatever you want to call them) on mech AS LONG AS THE ATOMIZER HAS A PROTRUDING 510 PIN. They should not be used on a hybrid mech - where the 510 directly touches the battery.

With that said, you will benefit greatly from learning to build correctly and vaping them on a regulated mod first - get it down pat - before putting a build on a mech.

 

[MrScaryZ]

Hi everyone, i got a question
i just got bored on my normal mod (evic mini) and yeah i would love to start moving to Mechs mod
i just search and watched video in youtube that explains about ohm law and such, but the question is how to use it in mech? where does the Wattage fit in the ohm's law? even though i already know about the law i still don't know how to definitely not make my battery blew up on my face.

Moving to a Mech is not moving forward today in 2017 its the reverse A basic tube mod has no tangible benefit

 

[r055co]

Moving to a Mech is not moving forward today in 2017 its the reverse A basic tube mod has no tangible benefit

Well that's your opinion

 

[JuicyLucy]

Moving to a Mech is not moving forward today in 2017 its the reverse A basic tube mod has no tangible benefit

You don't have to use a tube to go mech

A well built coil on a mech delivers a superior vape to many of us - it's all a matter of taste, which is subjective to the individual

Also, there is a great benefit, as most mechs can easily be rebuilt easily when they wear out. The bodies of many are rock solid and will last for decades, literally.

 

[r055co]

Just an additional note. A lot of people notice we harp and nag and bully about buying Samsung, Sony, LG batteries and not buying re-wrapped or cheap assed batteries. This is why..
This was done with 2 SONY batteries..

Hard short.. notice what did NOT happen? (They did not go BOOM)

Except if they were in a cheap tube without vent holes the tube would explode.

 

[r055co]

You don't have to use a tube to go mech

A well built coil on a mech delivers a superior vape to many of us - it's all a matter of taste, which is subjective to the individual

Also, there is a great benefit, as most mechs can easily be rebuilt easily when they wear out. The bodies of many are rock solid and will last for decades, literally.

Yep, something about pure DC power will provide a very smooth and enjoyable Vape.

If government and the FDA get their way I'll be happily vaping long after the last regulated Mod pukes out. Not to mention able to pass on fully functional Mech's after I'm dead.

 

[JuicyLucy]

Yep, something about pure DC power will provide a very smooth and enjoyable Vape.

If government and the FDA get their way I'll be happily vaping long after the last regulated Mod pukes out. Not to mention able to pass on fully functional Mech's after I'm dead.

A+++

 

[r055co]

A+++

Now the beauty, that's a whole subject in itself. I've yet to see a regulated mod even come close to the beauty of a quality Mech

 

[The Cromwell]

You don't have to use a tube to go mech

A well built coil on a mech delivers a superior vape to many of us - it's all a matter of taste, which is subjective to the individual

Also, there is a great benefit, as most mechs can easily be rebuilt easily when they wear out. The bodies of many are rock solid and will last for decades, literally.

Yep such as a coppervape or similar atty.

 

[JuicyLucy]

I'm not big on tubes - I have a hard time with them due to arthritis - but I did get a Petri Lite last December.

It is exquisite

 

[MrScaryZ]

You don't have to use a tube to go mech

A well built coil on a mech delivers a superior vape to many of us - it's all a matter of taste, which is subjective to the individual

Also, there is a great benefit, as most mechs can easily be rebuilt easily when they wear out. The bodies of many are rock solid and will last for decades, literally.

your kidding really! and you are an advanced user see the problem with this is it sends mixed messages to new users that do not care or want to spend the time required for the maintenance of a MECH .

 

[r055co]

your kidding really! and you are an advanced user see the problem with this is it sends mixed messages to new users that do not care or want to spend the time required for the maintenance of a MECH .

No it's not sending mixed messages, most all of us Mech users hammer down the facts of using a Mech.

If someone want's to enjoy the benefits of a Bugatti Veyron they need to learn the basics first and be prepared to do the required maintenance.

 

[JuicyLucy]

it sends mixed messages to new users that do not care or want to spend the time required for the maintenance of a MECH .

Anyone who can read through Roscoe's lecture will get a pretty good picture of what it takes and can make an informed decision on whether mech is for them or not.

I began vaping on mechs from the get go - being a new vaper doesn't automatically mean you are a dumb ass

 

[MrScaryZ]

Now the beauty, that's a whole subject in itself. I've yet to see a regulated mod even come close to the beauty of a quality Mech

u hit it on the head you just like shiny Copper things me too ;0

 

[r055co]

Anyone who can read through Roscoe's lecture will get a pretty good picture of what it takes and can make an informed decision on whether mech is for them or not.

I began vaping on mechs from the get go - being a new vaper doesn't automatically mean you are a dumb ass

Another major plus for me with Mech's is that I'm responsible for my own safety, not a chip or someone working for slave wages shitting out mass quantities to meet their daily quota.

 

[MrScaryZ]

Anyone who can read through Roscoe's lecture will get a pretty good picture of what it takes and can make an informed decision on whether mech is for them or not.

I began vaping on mechs from the get go - being a new vaper doesn't automatically mean you are a dumb ass

i was not dissing anyone at all I just know that those of us that do and know how to use them have preached this for eons.

 

[r055co]

u hit it on the head you just like shiny Copper things me too ;0

Plus they provide a smoother Vape, it's the direct DC current that hasn't been manipulated and pulsed.

 

[KingPin!]

If theres anything I've learnt reading your posts guys, its that mech users are passionate about it hehe

Agree with Lucy whilst there are some morons out there most people like the OP or myself come to the VU or other sites and ask our more experienced brethren for their invaluable insights before doing anything ....one day the chicks need to leave the nest though... those other morons unfortunately hit the ground ...at least you can go with the knowledge I told you so, even if you repeated it so much you became a platinum contributor lol

Know that at least the ones that fall out of the nest get automatically entered into the Darwin awards and have since been removed from the collective gene pool

 

[The Cromwell]

Something i posted in another thread.
If using a mech and it does not fire when it should do not just keep trying to fire it. Pop the saitch and battery out and check things over.
It may be shorted and getting ready to go boom.
Virtually all of the mech mods that blow quit firing right before they go boom.

 

[JuicyLucy]

those other morons unfortunately hit the ground

From my view - the morons are gonna do what they wanna do anyway, no matter what the advice

Hey @zlowly , let us know what you decide

 

[zlowly]

Well first of all I am so thanks full for all the feedback, I think I am already good t building some basic coils, but yeah seeing how everyone in here said that mech is all about passion for finding the right touch, I might consider another few months into research before getting to mech.
Once again thanks

 

[r055co]

Well first of all I am so thanks full for all the feedback, I think I am already good t building some basic coils, but yeah seeing how everyone in here said that mech is all about passion for finding the right touch, I might consider another few months into research before getting to mech.
Once again thanks

Get good at building and know where to get good Authentic Sony, LG or Samsung batteries along with doing your homework and you'll be perfectly fine.

 

[pulsevape]

i was not dissing anyone at all I just know that those of us that do and know how to use them have preached this for eons.

I prefer the vape I get of mechs...good ones will last a lifetime...they are easy to repair....you can drop them in the river pull out the battery put them in the sun for an hour, pop in a new battery and you're good to go..I just prefer the vape I get off them..plus they're phallic.

 

[KingPin!]

Erm you sure about that?

..plus they're phallic.

Pretty sure the Smok X Cube ultra has an inbuilt vibrate option on it ... that should rock your world hehe

 

[pulsevape]

Erm you sure about that?



Pretty sure the Smok X Cube ultra has an inbuilt vibrate option on it ... that should rock your world hehe

tease.

 

[MrScaryZ]

Plus they provide a smoother Vape, it's the direct DC current that hasn't been manipulated and pulsed.

i know all this my approach to the average user is different nowadays

If theres anything I've learnt reading your posts guys, its that mech users are passionate about it hehe

Agree with Lucy whilst there are some morons out there most people like the OP or myself come to the VU or other sites and ask our more experienced brethren for their invaluable insights before doing anything ....one day the chicks need to leave the nest though... those other morons unfortunately hit the ground ...at least you can go with the knowledge I told you so, even if you repeated it so much you became a platinum contributor lol

Know that at least the ones that fall out of the nest get automatically entered into the Darwin awards and have since been removed from the collective gene pool

I prefer the vape I get of mechs...good ones will last a lifetime...they are easy to repair....you can drop them in the river pull out the battery put them in the sun for an hour, pop in a new battery and you're good to go..I just prefer the vape I get off them..plus they're phallic.

The PHALLIC is the most probable

 

[pulsevape]

i know all this my approach to the average user is different nowadays


The PHALLIC is the most probable

 

[gbalkam]

Except if they were in a cheap tube without vent holes the tube would explode.

Yeah, and if the dog hadn't stopped to shit, he would have caught the fox.
Post was about batteries, not about mods. Main point is, it takes a lot more pressure to explode a mod than it does a cheap battery.