Need info for my first mod help pls!!!

[roystanC88]

hiya I really hope you can help
basically im getting tired if my ego starter kit which I have been using for the past 2 years.
im planning to build a mech mod and have been reading up as much as I can but it has become so confusing.
my plan is to treat it like my first car, buy something cheap so I can tinker with it until I get it the way that like then move onto the better quality stuff later.
because of this and good reviews I have actually read up and watched on youtube I have decided to purchase a kayfun lite+ clone and a sentinel m16 clone, (the kayfun having the big enough tank for my needs and the m16's simplicity)
now Im not planning on cloud chasing but every set on amp to ohm ratios I crunch into a calculator give me ridiculous wattage outputs, so I figure turn to experts who have been doing this longer than me and who actually know what they are talking about.
please tell me
1. what batteries should I be aiming to use 18650. 18500, or 18350 (please which ever ones last the longest)
2. what resistance should I aim for
3. (this bit really confuses me) which style coil shall I use (macro, micro, nano, duel)
As I said I am lost and any help would be greatly appreciated

 

[Tom_Pulliam]

In regards to the battery question 18650 is what you're looking for. In terms of resistance start high don't go below 0.7 as far as coils I use a duel could setup

 

[roystanC88]

thank thats a lot of help

 

[Celtic Fog]

The MaH (milliamps per hour) is the number that will tell you how long the battery will last, on an 18650 the highest mah you can get is around 3100 mah, so if you have a coil that is built between 1.0 ohm and 2.0 ohm ,the battery will last at least 6 to 8 hours of decent use. If you go under 1.0 towards .5 ohms, you will get the battery to last around 4 to 6 hours. If you use the 1.0 to 2.0 ohms on a 26650 battery, you can find them with 4200 mah ratings, lasting you 8 to 12 hours no problem. The higher the mah, the longer the battery will take to charge also. Invest in a good charger that can charge at 500 mah an hour or more. One of the best chargers is Xtar, which can charge up to 1000 mah per hour. Another good charger is the D2 or the D4 nitecore charger, which if i'm not mistaking, does 500 to 750 mah per hour. Invest in two batteries so you don't get frustrated when one goes out.

I am a real fan of the efest 35a 2500 mah flat top battery 18650 size. It has less mah than their 20a but will give you the ability to lower your ohms if you choose to in the future.If you plan on using that size, i recommend them to you.

Here is a couple of links to a great site I like to use for batteries and chargers.
20a 3100 mah battery by efest, 18650 size:
http://www.illumn.com/batteries-cha...18650-v1-3100mah-high-discharge-flat-top.html
35a 2500 mah battery by efest, 18650 size:
http://www.illumn.com/batteries-cha...18650-v1-2500mah-high-discharge-flat-top.html
20a 4200 mah batter by efest, 26650 size:
http://www.illumn.com/batteries-cha...4200mah-imr26650-high-discharge-flat-top.html
32a 3500 mah battery by efest, 26650 size:
http://www.illumn.com/batteries-cha...ah-imr26650-high-discharge-flat-top-1055.html

Great charger choices: These will charge both of the sizes I talked about and they give you Volt readings as well, important for learning the battery life:
http://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/chargers/nitecore-d4-digicharger.html
This charger gets the highest ratings.
http://www.xtardirect.com/products/xtar-vp4-charger

in conclusion, the 18650 or a 26650 will provide you with the most juice to get you through the day.
1.0 to 2.0 is a great ohm to start with.
and as for coil type, dual coils will give you more vapor, yet wear more on the battery. nano coils are easier for certain rba's and rda's due to the room you have to build, I prefer macro coils, using my 3 mm screwdriver as a platform to wrap around. they allow for more wick, which carries more juice. I do not have experience in building on or using a kayfun however.

Here is a quick link to the screwdriver set every vapor should have.
https://www.bananarobotics.com/shop/Tools/6-Piece-Precision-Screwdriver-Set
Here is a link of another item you should consider getting, very important when learning how to build coils.
http://www.lightningvapes.com/products/cartomizer-and-atomizer-ohm-meter

These web sites will also help you with building coils and understanding ohms law for battery use:
http://www.steam-engine.org/coil.asp
http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/ohms_law_calculator.php

as with all numbers in the world of vaping....YMMV. (your mileage may vary)
I hope this was able to help you and not be confusing and frustrating, vaping should be fun! Keep it Foggy!

 

[roystanC88]

wow that a lot of info thanks should give me a better idea of what to do next

 

[seaweed88]

Thanks for all the sites Fog

 

[Celtic Fog]

your welcome and my pleasure. It seams like a lot to take in, but once you have your hands on the items your looking for and spend a couple days tweerking on it, it becomes a lot easier to digest, you will feel way more comfortable with it in no time at all.

 

[fq06]

All great info, to add to it...
If your getting a kayfun, you will want to build a single coil and get some 28g A1 kanthal wire from temco and build a micro coil. Shiseido cotton pads or a bag of organic cotton or a box of cellucotton... or silica rope but I hate that stuff, no flavor.

Use the seam engine calculator linked above to calculate how many wraps are needed to hit your desired resistance (use 4mm for leg loss on a kayfun).

Start at 1.5 ohms and try it lower and higher to see what works best for you. You will get better at building coils and figuring out the wick thickness and placement every time you do it. YouTube is your friend here.

 

[J.C.]

The MaH (milliamps per hour) is the number that will tell you how long the battery will last, on an 18650 the highest mah you can get is around 3100 mah, so if you have a coil that is built between 1.0 ohm and 2.0 ohm ,the battery will last at least 6 to 8 hours of decent use. If you go under 1.0 towards .5 ohms, you will get the battery to last around 4 to 6 hours. If you use the 1.0 to 2.0 ohms on a 26650 battery, you can find them with 4200 mah ratings, lasting you 8 to 12 hours no problem. The higher the mah, the longer the battery will take to charge also. Invest in a good charger that can charge at 500 mah an hour or more. One of the best chargers is Xtar, which can charge up to 1000 mah per hour. Another good charger is the D2 or the D4 nitecore charger, which if i'm not mistaking, does 500 to 750 mah per hour. Invest in two batteries so you don't get frustrated when one goes out.

I am a real fan of the efest 35a 2500 mah flat top battery 18650 size. It has less mah than their 20a but will give you the ability to lower your ohms if you choose to in the future.If you plan on using that size, i recommend them to you.

Here is a couple of links to a great site I like to use for batteries and chargers.
20a 3100 mah battery by efest, 18650 size:
http://www.illumn.com/batteries-cha...18650-v1-3100mah-high-discharge-flat-top.html
35a 2500 mah battery by efest, 18650 size:
http://www.illumn.com/batteries-cha...18650-v1-2500mah-high-discharge-flat-top.html
20a 4200 mah batter by efest, 26650 size:
http://www.illumn.com/batteries-cha...4200mah-imr26650-high-discharge-flat-top.html
32a 3500 mah battery by efest, 26650 size:
http://www.illumn.com/batteries-cha...ah-imr26650-high-discharge-flat-top-1055.html

Great charger choices: These will charge both of the sizes I talked about and they give you Volt readings as well, important for learning the battery life:
http://www.illumn.com/batteries-chargers-and-powerpax-carriers/chargers/nitecore-d4-digicharger.html
This charger gets the highest ratings.
http://www.xtardirect.com/products/xtar-vp4-charger

in conclusion, the 18650 or a 26650 will provide you with the most juice to get you through the day.
1.0 to 2.0 is a great ohm to start with.
and as for coil type, dual coils will give you more vapor, yet wear more on the battery. nano coils are easier for certain rba's and rda's due to the room you have to build, I prefer macro coils, using my 3 mm screwdriver as a platform to wrap around. they allow for more wick, which carries more juice. I do not have experience in building on or using a kayfun however.

Here is a quick link to the screwdriver set every vapor should have.
https://www.bananarobotics.com/shop/Tools/6-Piece-Precision-Screwdriver-Set
Here is a link of another item you should consider getting, very important when learning how to build coils.
http://www.lightningvapes.com/products/cartomizer-and-atomizer-ohm-meter

These web sites will also help you with building coils and understanding ohms law for battery use:
http://www.steam-engine.org/coil.asp
http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/ohms_law_calculator.php

as with all numbers in the world of vaping....YMMV. (your mileage may vary)
I hope this was able to help you and not be confusing and frustrating, vaping should be fun! Keep it Foggy!

Thanks for taking the time to give us all this info. Im new too and equally as confused.

 

[KAS129]

You might also consider the Eleaf Lemo tank. Very similar build to the Kayfun but with a larger deck, better airflow and glass tank, so you don't have to be concerned with "tank cracker" juices. I myself have been a long time Kayfun fan, but recently tried a Lemo and like it alot.

 

[BoomStick]

Nevermind.

 

[Celtic Fog]

I can only suggest the specs the company provides. I recommend them, due to their tried and true performance record by myself. I personally love the batteries and they have handled every build I have put on them using the ohms law. I have re wrapped over a dozen of them now, not one of them had a label under their original wrapper, nor did a single one of them have a cell stamp like so many claim.

 

[BoomStick]

I made that post a little while ago. Since then I've read that even lg's published specs for the he2 are in question. It's being speculated that they under spec'ed the things and they have a cdr higher than 20. There is supposed to be independent testing being done, but it's all Internet talk. I'm just gonna quit commenting on batteries until a trusted source can verify what the hell is going on with these damn things. The fact that there's any speculation at all concerning the batteries we use is kinda ridiculous. Just ignore my other post.

 

[Celtic Fog]

I made that post a little while ago. Since then I've read that even lg's published specs for the he2 are in question. It's being speculated that they under spec'ed the things and they have a cdr higher than 20. There is supposed to be independent testing being done, but it's all Internet talk. I'm just gonna quit commenting on batteries until a trusted source can verify what the hell is going on with these damn things. The fact that there's any speculation at all concerning the batteries we use is kinda ridiculous. Just ignore my other post.

My friend....we should question everything. That is what makes this world a better place.