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What am I doing wrong? (Very harsh vape) - tried everything

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  1. elhama90

    elhama90 New Member

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    Hey guys, first off im a total noob with vaping, everything I know ive just watched youtube tutorials and tried to follow it.

    I have an evic VT with a griffin tank. When I first got the tank, everything was great, the vape was smooth as hell and I loved it. But eventually I noticed that the vape was getting harsh.

    I swear I must have run through 20 coils and a half bag of cotton trying to reproduce that first time.

    Ive cleaned the tank several times, tried with totally fresh coils, tried experimenting with different thickness of cotton ( tighter and looser) but somehow I keep getting this harsh vape. Its not a dry hit, it doesnt taste BURNT, but more like its really stinging the throat(same feeling as if u drank some liquor), and yes I am using the exact same Eliquid as always.

    So my setup is:

    eVic VT, 60w(usually running it around 35-40W)
    Dual coil claptons (0,6 ohms each, so 0.3 ohm)
    100% organic cotton
    Eliquid is 3-6 mg nicotine, so not much at all

    What ive tried so far:

    1) Make sure both coils are glowing evenly
    2) Tried different thickness of the cotton
    3) Tried unscrewing and rescrewing the coils in different positions, closer/further from the poles
    4) Tried fresh coils
    5) Tried cleaning the tank several times


    Thankful for any suggestions (can post pics if u guys want)
     
  2. Zamazam

    Zamazam Evil Vulcan's do it with Logic VU Donator Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    Based on what you've written, I'd say you are on the verge of a dry hit, the coils aren't getting saturated with enough ejuice so you are getting a toot that is vapor, but lacking some of the thickness of a good vape, or you are taking really long toots at a lower wattage and some juice is spitting back in your throat from improper vaporization (meaning you need to add more power) I have a Griffin also, but I run Alien's in it and vape it around 75-80 watts. My cotton is snug, not tight and sits on the deck.
     
  3. elhama90

    elhama90 New Member

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    Thanks for the answer. I wouldnt call it a dry hit, Ive experienced those, and I know exactly what u mean. Its more like there is TOO much flavor in the vape, to the point where it stings ur mouth and throat.However you may be right that I am on the verge of dry hitting... Ive noticed that after just 10 mins of vaping it then checking inside, the cotton is already getting brown
     
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    Zamazam Evil Vulcan's do it with Logic VU Donator Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    The tank was designed for large amounts of vapor at higher wattage. To me, if the cotton is getting toasted in the center where it meets the coils, that indicates it needs more juice, Play with the wicking and power (up from 35 to say 50-60 slowly).

    With a larger volume of vapor, you can use juice that is not as strongly flavored and still get the flavor you want. A juice that is great in a Kanger Sub-Tank may be overpowering in a properly tuned Griffin or Aromamizer tank due to the increased volume of vapor.
     
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    MyMagicMist Gold Contributor Member For 2 Years ECF Refugee

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    Will echo this. I even noticed a difference in taste of juices coming from evod style tanks to rta/rdas. Better quality gear lets flavor come through better. Not sure if that is helpful, merely being an echo of something seen as valid.
     
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    Froggie1rw Member For 2 Years ECF Refugee

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    Welcome to VU :)

    I agree with everything that Zamazam said. When I first got my Griffin I was having the same issue as you. Turned out to be not enough juice getting up to the coil through the cotton because I was using too much cotton and blocking the juice channels. It's a fine line between too much and not enough cotton. I am using ss430 at .16 ohms with the tcr set at 138 coils so I can run either power or temp cont mode. In power I usually run about 70w and in tc about 50w at 600F. I actually get better flavor and vape in tc mode. I also vape max vg and if wicks just fine. My coils presently have a 2mm id, I will be upping that to 3mm id on my next build though. I hope one of our posts helps. :luck:
     
  7. elhama90

    elhama90 New Member

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    hey guys! thank you so much for the helpful answers!
    I use mainly 2 juice, one is 50/50, the other is 70vg 30pg, but im having similar issues with both.

    I tried rewicking, and made sure the wick is snug, not tight, Also bumped up the wattage to 60, its slightly better but im still feeling this toniclike strong flavor in my throat, stinging me. I decided to add some pictures of my build so maybe you can spot easier what Im doing wrong


    http://imgur.com/ogvvBQ4
    http://imgur.com/20oHXeg
    http://imgur.com/tzFJeag


    Thankful for all the help!
     
  8. BoomStick

    BoomStick Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    Too much coil and not enough cotton.

    Use the bbcode to link when using imgur and the pic will show up in the thread instead of a link.
     
  9. Zamazam

    Zamazam Evil Vulcan's do it with Logic VU Donator Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    The coils look like my setup, I agree more cotton, and a trick I use is to snip the tips of the cotton that go in the channels into a thin point making sure that when the cotton gets saturated, it does not choke off the capillary action of the cotton. It's a balancing act. I'd go with 30/70 (PG/VG) or higher in the tank.
     
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    nightshard It's VG/PG not PG/VG VU Donator Gold Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    Not really addressing the question but 35-40 for a pair of claptons seems on the weak side.
     
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    This is probably gonna sound dumb, but how do I fit in more cotton? If i put more its too tight to pull it through the coils :/

    The amount I had there fit in with a slight resistance
     
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    What is the inside diameter of your coils? Going larger will allow for more cotton.
     
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    What is the flavor of your juices? If it's in the imgur link I cannot see them at work. There are some flavors that at higher wattage and densities have given me the same type of experience you are having. I've DIYed cinnamon, lemon/lime, and some apple concoctions cause a bad hit on my dripper but are fantastic in my wife's prism.
     
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    @roxynoodle, I have no idea, I buy premade clapton coils (from geekvape) and it doesnt say on the package what the diameter is....
    @Ohwatafool, right now im smoking Cosmic Fog - The Shocker its 70%VG
     
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    @roxynoodle So I took one of the premade clapton coils, straightened it out, and made a coil with little bit larger diameter with it, fitted in more cotton.

    It seems to have done the trick!! :D Ill post an update later
     
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  16. Zamazam

    Zamazam Evil Vulcan's do it with Logic VU Donator Platinum Contributor Member For 3 Years

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    3mm id. seems to be the standard. I've made mine a 3.5mm id and that works beautifully.
     
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    Excellent! Well, let's get you wrapping your own coils then :) Clapton wire is easy to wrap because it's so thick.
     
  18. elhama90

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    Works great! Thank you so much for the help everyone. I probably went through 15 coils trying to get this thing working, I was ready to throw the whole thing out. So really appreciate it!
     
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    roxynoodle Gold Contributor ECF Refugee

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    The right size coil can make all the difference in the world.
     

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