Temp control

[Rhett1977]

i have yet to try it. What are the gains over wattage? I've tried searching and maybe I'm not going back far enough. I'm new to this forum still and get mixed results with the search function. Granted I'm technologically challenged. Im mentally challenged when it comes to computers. Most would use the "r" word. I'm just that bad with computers. Thanks for your time!!

 

[f1r3b1rd]

here is something i wrote elsewhere in the forum .

So you want to see what this “TC” temp control is all about?


This is my take on the temp control, I have come to these conclusions after being an early adopter with the first edition dna40, sx350j, and dna200. Rather than discuss any board at length this more about the commonalities with temp limiting. Notice I said temp limiting and not temp control. The reason being, what vapers refer to as temp control is not control at all. It now can mimic control but it is really a series of ceilings preventing you from getting the coil over a predestined temperature or the mod to fire over a predetermined power output. It is not a thermostat, nor designed to hold it at temperature, only to not cross the temperature set.

Currently there are 3 metals commonly used for Temp Limiting. New metals get experimented with and become fads with this technology as often as shoes get popular. At the time of this writing the three primary metals are NI200. Titanium, and SS. NI200 is the hardest to work with but yields the most consistent results from the board. Titaniu, is highly popular but in my opinion can yield rather inconsistent results and was left with rumors of less than healthy output should it get to hot. (temp limiting?) stainless steel, is my personal favorite because of its ease of use, benign health effects and proficiency.

When buying a TC mod the 2 features to make sure the mod has is software upgradable, and the ability to load in your own tcr value.

What is a tcr value? TCR is the basis of temp control. Essentially, TC works by using metals whose resistance increases in a linear fashion as the temperature increases. In other words resistance goes up at a constant rate as temperature goes up. The board uses its starting temp and resistance; then, figures out the change in resistance, and, uses that to factor the current temperature. It then regulates the temperature by backing down the power output and monitoring the resistance.

The nature of the technology leads it to be a little bit finicky at first; and, while each model does thing marginally different a major constant are the things that it is finicky about. Primarily, since tc relies on the resistance change with temp, and that these changes are so minute, good, clean, solid connections are a must. Additionally, Contact coils do not work right- contact coils "work" in non tc mode due to the oxidation buildup on kanthal a1, but since tc relies on non-oxidizing coil material, you don't get the isolation, and have wildly fluctuating coils. This is especially noticeable with ni200 and why many early adopter went on a search for something more user friendly. Its resistance is so low and the metal itself is so soft that it became very troublesome to use. Stainless however is very similar to build with as Kanthal and the resistance is high enough to be used in power mode

On many mods, you need to “pair’” your atomizer with the mod in order to give the mod a baseline resistance from whence to start. This is KEY as this is the very basis of TC any change in the resistance will throw the calculation of and lead to a bad vape. Even body temperature, it is this reason that before pairing the mod, and after the build, set the atomizer and mod to the side for about 10-15 minutes and let them both come to the same temperature. Then screw on your atty and lock in the resistance.

Mods with a loadable tcr value will have a place where you can plug in a number generally starting around the third place after the decimal. This chart has some of the more commonly used tcr values.

www.steam-engine.org has the tcr values for most metals available with a tcr value associated to them. In the event that you are using a dna2oo steam engine also has downloadable .csv files available as well. These .csv files are exact charts for the tcr of a given metal that allow the DNA board to be a little more accurate.


I hope this information gives you a fair bearing on using TC and helps in some way should you have any injuries’ please let us know

 

[Rhett1977]

Wowee!!! That's a lot to think about. Let me ask this if I might. What do you gain over just plain wattage? I read this four times but I'm just not grasping it. Thank you for showing me that. It gives me an idea of how it works but not what you gain. If that makes sense. Is it a more consistent vape? That's what I'm understanding from what you wrote. Just checking to make sure.

 

[raymo2u]

*Cough* @f1r3b1rd 's a know it all *Cough*

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Wowee!!! That's a lot to think about. Let me ask this if I might. What do you gain over just plain wattage? I read this four times but I'm just not grasping it. Thank you for showing me that. It gives me an idea of how it works but not what you gain. If that makes sense.

when done right, with the right board. ( keep in mind, its still being refined ) you get a much smoother, more consistant vape experience.
also the aility with the newer boards, to really tailor your vape.
i can have an rda punch really hard at first and then taper down as it hits the preset temp
or
i can have a tanks stay at a constant level

also,, it removes dry hits, you can vape a tank down to completelty dry without burning the wick and coil- for a newer vapor that is huge.

additionally, some of us have found they prefer some flavors hotter and other cooler, so we can go ahea and do that to bring out different charecteristics in the juice. .

 

[f1r3b1rd]

*Cough* @f1r3b1rd 's a know it all *Cough*

just a big ole nerd

 

[Rhett1977]

Ok. Can you recommend me a box and mod to start with? I've been looking at the DNA200 but have seen mixed reviews. I just like a lot of hit with a warm to hot throat hit. I just ventured into mechs so I figured I'd branch the other direction and try tc. Thank you for your time!!

 

[Rhett1977]

If you don't want to make recommendations publicly just pm me. I just need a direction to go. I have no idea what all has come out since the Reuleaux DNA200. Sorry I should have said that in the previous post. My bad.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

i would not invest in a dna mod unless you know its something you are going to like. that is a lot of coin for an experiment when theire are mods for 50$ and under that will let you play with tc and get a feel for it. The dna's let you take the custom vape side a step further though

now, i don't know how the rx works, but i know tht is a very popular tc mod with a lot of people in the forum that know a lot more than i do who can help you with the operation side. thing is thts 3 18650 baytteries, also there is the vaporflask stout which uses the same board at 100w with a cingle 26650


i would say either one of those, and then if you still want look deeper at a dna mod, or something else may be out by then

 

[Rhett1977]

I've got 2 Reuleaxs now so batteries aren't a problem. I vape at 125-150 watts that's why I was looking at that. I've spent so much money on smoking my wife is just happy I'm vaping. I smoked 2 cartons of non filters for 20 years. I'm spending it all on vaping now. I look at it as an investment. And a hobby.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

well hell man, there is a thread with the rx guys, get with them to help you really play on the tc stuff, and then see how you feel about it

 

[Rhett1977]

Oh ok. I knew that my Reuleauxs would so tc but did t know if they were ok to use or not. Like I said I'm still new so I'm looking for knowledge.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/reuleaux-rx-200.160496/

the board is good, no doubt about it. i wouldn't charge with it, but its a great board. The dna offers deeper customization for preheat and metals but, the rx is a hell of a great mod.

that is one of the owners threads, they an help you a lot more with that mod that i can

 

[Rhett1977]

Thank you for giving me a place to start. I just took it you needed a DNA mod to really use tc.

 

[Neunerball]

*Cough* @f1r3b1rd 's a know it all *Cough*

When you criticize someone, you criticize yourself! No offense, I've seen your postings, although really informative being as long as well. Occasionally, you do have to put in that much detail though. However, I prefer the short, direct approach most of the time.

 

[Neunerball]

I've got 2 Reuleaxs now so batteries aren't a problem. I vape at 125-150 watts that's why I was looking at that. I've spent so much money on smoking my wife is just happy I'm vaping. I smoked 2 cartons of non filters for 20 years. I'm spending it all on vaping now. I look at it as an investment. And a hobby.

I've used mainly SS316L wire lately, and mostly in TC mode, either on my VTC Mini, my (used to be, as of today) RX200, and my two DNA200 mods. I like the TC mode, due to the consistent temperature of the vape, thus improved flavor. I have two DIY eJuices, that taste differently with slight changes in the temperature. Therefore, it's another nice feature of your mod to know and understand. In addition, it seems, the coils last longer as well.
In simple words, use the power/wattage, in order to set, how quick the coil reaches it's set temperature. Obviously, the temperature setting is to set the coil's temperature to the sweet spot of your eJuice and your preference.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

is there an atty lock on that mod @Neunerball

 

[Neunerball]

is there an atty lock on that mod @Neunerball

If you mean locking the coil's resistance, yes there is. However, I never locked my resistance on either device, without any issues. The electronics adjusted as they were supposed to.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

If you mean locking the coil's resistance, yes there is. However, I never locked my resistance on either device, without any issues. The electronics adjusted as they were supposed to.

ahhh, yeah, i never lock it on my dna's either. - i didn't realize the rx board did that as well.

 

[Neunerball]

ahhh, yeah, i never lock it on my dna's either. - i didn't realize the rx board did that as well.

The RX board is just like all the newer joy tech boards (being subsidiaries), able to upgrade, same menu functions.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

The RX board is just like all the newer joy tech boards (being subsidiaries), able to upgrade, same menu functions.

cool! maybe its time to get one and learn the board

 

[Neunerball]

cool! maybe its time to get one and learn the board

Even the VTC Mini has the same menu.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Even the VTC Mini has the same menu.

Its ashame, i have the istick tc100, but only used in tc mode once. normally i use it instead of my hexohm to push 22g Kanthal,
other than those two my regulated mods all have yihi boards, dna boards or are provape mods

 

[Neunerball]

Its ashame, i have the istick tc100, but only used in tc mode once. normally i use it instead of my hexohm to push 22g Kanthal,
other than those two my regulated mods all have yihi boards, dna boards or are provape mods

You might have missed out on something. Although, I've to admit, I never owned a mod with a Yihi board either.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

You might have missed out on something. Although, I've to admit, I never owned a mod with a Yihi board either.

i didn't have one until the sxmini m class, that mod was a game changer for me.

 

[Neunerball]

i didn't have one until the sxmini m class, that mod was a game changer for me.

Yeah, I read/heard excellent reviews about the Yihi boards. However, I wasn't willing to pay the price for those mods. The DNA200 changed my mind, due to the ability to customize the settings via Escibe.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Yeah, I read/heard excellent reviews about the Yihi boards. However, I wasn't willing to pay the price for those mods. The DNA200 changed my mind, due to the ability to customize the settings via Escibe.

right? I'm self avowed evolve fan, have been since the first dna board.
escribe is totally awesome for my inner nerd and all the custom options. even past the vape settings. I'm curious to see what yihi has in store for the qclass on the software side.

 

[Neunerball]

right? I'm self avowed evolve fan, have been since the first dna board.
escribe is totally awesome for my inner nerd and all the custom options. even past the vape settings. I'm curious to see what yihi has in store for the qclass on the software side.

I'm curious too, competition usually brings the best for the producer of the products and their clients. However, FDA might change the whole picture of progress in the vaping community. I've stacked up on mech mods, RBA/RTAs, and as you should know by now, currently 70 RDAs. I think there's ample time to stack up on nicotine base. The rest should be available throughout vape prohibition.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

I'm curious too, competition usually brings the best for the producer of the products and their clients. However, FDA might change the whole picture of progress in the vaping community. I've stacked up on mech mods, RBA/RTAs, and as you should know by now, currently 70 RDAs. I think there's ample time to stack up on nicotine base. The rest should be available throughout vape prohibition.

I'm using 0 nic and have enough mods and batteries to open a shop. more less, I'm stocking up on parts to keep everything running. between that and my exoerience with electronics, I'm not worried.

but, i don't think the regs are going to be so bad on the mods. I think they are going to hit the liquid. that's been whats happened in other parts of the world. So hopefully the equipment will continue to progress, and be available for new "ex-smokers"

 

[Neunerball]

I'm using 0 nic and have enough mods and batteries to open a shop. more less, I'm stocking up on parts to keep everything running. between that and my exoerience with electronics, I'm not worried.

but, i don't think the regs are going to be so bad on the mods. I think they are going to hit the liquid. that's been whats happened in other parts of the world. So hopefully the equipment will continue to progress, and be available for new "ex-smokers"

Yes, I'm hoping for the best, but preparing for the worse.
Got to go to bed now... Talk to ya soon.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

night dude

 

[raymo2u]

When you criticize someone, you criticize yourself! No offense, I've seen your postings, although really informative being as long as well. Occasionally, you do have to put in that much detail though. However, I prefer the short, direct approach most of the time.

I was just picking on him, dont take offense man... @f1r3b1rd is one of the people I got along with when I first joined this forum, Im sorry if you found it distasteful but sometimes I tend to joke around on here...
He does his best to help everyone out and the statement I typed does hold some weight...it may not be the best way of saying it though...
Plus hes a mod now, I think its a requirement at this forum to give him shit once in a while

 

[skt239]

ahhh, yeah, i never lock it on my dna's either. - i didn't realize the rx board did that as well.

Wait, so I don't have to lock the resistance when using my RX in TC mode?

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Wait, so I don't have to lock the resistance when using my RX in TC mode?

apparently not.
when evolv set up tc on the 40, they neglected to have that feauture. Yihi was the first to incorporate it, as a way to compensate for less than perfect builds and connections. it gives the board a permanent starting point for to calculate the temperature. if your builds locked in good you will get a more accurate output.

but, on some attys like the kayfun and the suape that are known for irregular connections any buid would still be better served to be locked in.

 

[Ben-Rod]

I've got 2 Reuleaxs now so batteries aren't a problem. I vape at 125-150 watts that's why I was looking at that. I've spent so much money on smoking my wife is just happy I'm vaping. I smoked 2 cartons of non filters for 20 years. I'm spending it all on vaping now. I look at it as an investment. And a hobby.

I would check to make sure your RX 200 has the latest firmware. The earlier firmware was a little weird with temp control on certain devices. The newer firmware solved several issues...

 

[DevAuto]

Yeah, I read/heard excellent reviews about the Yihi boards. However, I wasn't willing to pay the price for those mods. The DNA200 changed my mind, due to the ability to customize the settings via Escibe.

right? I'm self avowed evolve fan, have been since the first dna board.
escribe is totally awesome for my inner nerd and all the custom options. even past the vape settings. I'm curious to see what yihi has in store for the qclass on the software side.

My inner geek LOVES the DNA 200, but my lazy external self prefers the Wismec/Joyetech combo! My only experience with Yihi has been in their lower end chipsets. My D2 and my IPV5 are both "OK" but neither compares to my friends ML class, I really have to get one someday (and a Q class). In my experience, the DNA is the smoothest of them all so far, but only by a hair, but its way too annoying that I have to adjust everything in escribe. Wismec/Joyetech have pretty much nailed the TC game here, you can adjust everything in the mod itself, making it ideal for usage anywhere since you don't need a computer to make the adjustments on the fly.

 

[DevAuto]

Yeah, I read/heard excellent reviews about the Yihi boards. However, I wasn't willing to pay the price for those mods. The DNA200 changed my mind, due to the ability to customize the settings via Escibe.

right? I'm self avowed evolve fan, have been since the first dna board.
escribe is totally awesome for my inner nerd and all the custom options. even past the vape settings. I'm curious to see what yihi has in store for the qclass on the software side.

My inner geek LOVES the DNA 200, but my lazy external self prefers the Wismec/Joyetech combo! My only experience with Yihi has been in their lower end chipsets. My D2 and my IPV5 are both "OK" but neither compares to my friends ML class, I really have to get one someday (and a Q class). In my experience, the DNA is the smoothest of them all so far, but only by a hair, but its way too annoying that I have to adjust everything in escribe. Wismec/Joyetech have pretty much nailed the TC game here, you can adjust everything in the mod itself, making it ideal for daily carry whereas you HAVE to make adjustments in eScribe to upload to your DNA 200.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

My inner geek LOVES the DNA 200, but my lazy external self prefers the Wismec/Joyetech combo! My only experience with Yihi has been in their lower end chipsets. My D2 and my IPV5 are both "OK" but neither compares to my friends ML class, I really have to get one someday (and a Q class). In my experience, the DNA is the smoothest of them all so far, but only by a hair, but its way too annoying that I have to adjust everything in escribe. Wismec/Joyetech have pretty much nailed the TC game here, you can adjust everything in the mod itself, making it ideal for usage anywhere since you don't need a computer to make the adjustments on the fly.

With the latest firmware the only thing that you can't adjust from the mod that pertains to vaping is the preheat and punch, which are features not on the joyetech chip. Everything else, material, wattage, and temp are controllable from the mod.
Granted you do have to go into the software to input TCR cUrves
I haven't used the anything from yihi other than the m and m

Also,I like being able to save total settings and just swap them around to others or share them people

 

[Neunerball]

With the latest firmware the only thing that you can't adjust from the mod that pertains to vaping is the preheat and punch, which are features not on the joyetech chip. Everything else, material, wattage, and temp are controllable from the mod.
Granted you do have to go into the software to input TCR cUrves
I haven't used the anything from yihi other than the m and m

Also,I like being able to save total settings and just swap them around to others or share them people

How do you change the material in the DNA200 mod?

 

[f1r3b1rd]

How do you change the material in the DNA200 mod?

In the latest firmware,if you lock the device, hold +,- and fire a the same time.
You can preload any material you want in escribe and load just the ones you want available

 

[Neunerball]

In the latest firmware,if you lock the device, hold +,- and fire a the same time.
You can preload an material you want in escribe and load just the ones you want available

Thanks! I had them preloaded already, just didn't figure out how to change it in the mod.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

no worries dude!

 

[DevAuto]

In the latest firmware,if you lock the device, hold +,- and fire a the same time.
You can preload an material you want in escribe and load just the ones you want available

Oh sure, get a VU promotion and suddenly you know it all ...

Seriously though, thanks for the info, I guess I need to update my firmware. Sounds like it still needs to be preloaded though, and not necessarily as easy as adjusting the TCR value on the go ...

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Oh sure, get a VU promotion and suddenly you know it all ...

Seriously though, thanks for the info, I guess I need to update my firmware. Sounds like it still needs to be preloaded though, and not necessarily as easy as adjusting the TCR value on the go ...

the new boards come with 5 preloaded curves, you can add, remove or adjust any of the ones you want. essentially its not as easy as using a menu system like the sx350j, but when you think about it, if you remove the preheat feature, you're left with essentially the same functionality as any other board; with the ability to go into the software and tweak things when you want.
sure you cant go in and ad a special tcr value while youre in the head; but, how often are you walking around during the day and suddenly decide to add a metal?
Plus you have how many other variables outside of what effects vaping that you can personalize.... if you wanted to. Just because you have the functionality doesn't mean you have to use it.
now, does the umpteen other variables make the board worth the money? ehhh that's something each individual has to decide.

don't get me wrong I'm not being a spokesperson, but if you read my other posts, I'm just calling it as I see it, and being as objective as I can.

as to a promotion, I was more surrised when they asked than anyone, and I'm the first to admit when I don't know something or plead ignorant.

 

[DevAuto]

the new boards come with 5 preloaded curves, you can add, remove or adjust any of the ones you want. essentially its not as easy as using a menu system like the sx350j, but when you think about it, if you remove the preheat feature, you're left with essentially the same functionality as any other board; with the ability to go into the software and tweak things when you want.
sure you cant go in and ad a special tcr value while youre in the head; but, how often are you walking around during the day and suddenly decide to add a metal?
Plus you have how many other variables outside of what effects vaping that you can personalize.... if you wanted to. Just because you have the functionality doesn't mean you have to use it.
now, does the umpteen other variables make the board worth the money? ehhh that's something each individual has to decide.

don't get me wrong I'm not being a spokesperson, but if you read my other posts, I'm just calling it as I see it, and being as objective as I can.

as to a promotion, I was more surrised when they asked than anyone, and I'm the first to admit when I don't know something or plead ignorant.

Well, it sounds like once you've got everything pre-loaded into the mod, there is a lot more flexibility than there used to be with the older firmware. I do, on occasion, actually adjust my TCR values while I'm out and about, so it is pretty important for me to be able to adjust in the mod. I'm not always making a drastic change, but if I change a coil, I may have to tweak the TCR just a bit to get it spot on for flavor.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love using my DNA, just not as my everyday carry. Now if it ever gets to the point that I can do everything I need (or want) all manually on the mod, I may start carrying it again.

Keep calling it like you see it. You have a ton of knowledge and it is great that you share it. I tend to do the same when I can, so I wouldn't necessarily call you a "spokesperson", I think "fanboi" is likely a more apt description, at least until you start getting an evolv paycheck ... LOL

As for a final point, in all seriousness, I tend to be a bit of a SmartA$$, which may not always come across clearly ... Not sure if that came through in the "promotion" reference ... just want to make sure it was taken in fun as intended. I can't think of a better person for the job!

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Well, it sounds like once you've got everything pre-loaded into the mod, there is a lot more flexibility than there used to be with the older firmware. I do, on occasion, actually adjust my TCR values while I'm out and about, so it is pretty important for me to be able to adjust in the mod. I'm not always making a drastic change, but if I change a coil, I may have to tweak the TCR just a bit to get it spot on for flavor.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love using my DNA, just not as my everyday carry. Now if it ever gets to the point that I can do everything I need (or want) all manually on the mod, I may start carrying it again.

Keep calling it like you see it. You have a ton of knowledge and it is great that you share it. I tend to do the same when I can, so I wouldn't necessarily call you a "spokesperson", I think "fanboi" is likely a more apt description, at least until you start getting an evolv paycheck ... LOL

As for a final point, in all seriousness, I tend to be a bit of a SmartA$$, which may not always come across clearly ... Not sure if that came through in the "promotion" reference ... just want to make sure it was taken in fun as intended. I can't think of a better person for the job!

I knew you were kidding, I just wanted to make sure newer people wouldn't take it seriously-it's all good.
Would be cool for them to release a dna 201 with a menu system, l don't see it happening, but never say never I reckon.

 

[advancedvapesupply]

For someone dipping their toes into TC, stainless steel is a good choice because it allows you to use tc or wattage mode, although the tcr is not as responsive as nickel or titanium. It's also much easier to use and prepare to Vape on than ti or ni..

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[DevAuto]

For someone dipping their toes into TC, stainless steel is a good choice because it allows you to use tc or wattage mode, although the tcr is not as responsive as nickel or titanium. It's also much easier to use and prepare to Vape on than ti or ni..

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Stainless also seems to provide a cleaner flavor to my juice as well. That is the biggest advantage I see with it, at least for flavor junkies ...

 

[Neunerball]

Oh sure, get a VU promotion and suddenly you know it all ...

Seriously though, thanks for the info, I guess I need to update my firmware. Sounds like it still needs to be preloaded though, and not necessarily as easy as adjusting the TCR value on the go ...

You need the latest version of Escribe, in order to upload materials to your mod. That was the reason for having them on my mod already.

 

[Neunerball]

Stainless also seems to provide a cleaner flavor to my juice as well. That is the biggest advantage I see with it, at least for flavor junkies ...

I prefer SS wire myself, utilizing the TC mode as well! The Ni200, Ti wires always had some "metallic" flavor to it, that I couldn't get rid of, even after prolonged use of the coil(s). I'm still in the process of switching all my RDAs to SS coils. It might take me a while though! (If you know me, you know why)