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So I was a huge fan of Velvet Cloud's Brown Apple Teddy. But unfortunately, they discontinued it recently. I picked up a ton on sale, but I will be running out fairly soon, and I'm interested in trying to make something similar of my own. It doesn't need to be a clone.

My question is about tobacco flavors. I have never mixed with them, and have no idea what goes into it. I want something that is earthy tasting, but not like licorice. I know some tobaccos can have that mild taste. I'd like to stick with FA is I can. Or another company that I can trust to not use diketones or diacetyl.

Any thoughts or suggestions? Does 1 tobacco need to be blended with others to get a good effect? I don't want anything that will end up tasting like a cigarette
 
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FA Latakia had that taste for me, kind of earthy. I'm not much of a tobacco vaper, so I'm gonna yell for @downInTn
 
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Same. I vaped a menthol tobacco when I first quit smoking over 2 years ago. And that flavor only lasted about 2 months. I didn't even want to try the Velvet Cloud flavor because I figured I wouldn't like it, but they sent it as a sample, and I couldn't get enough
 
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I think all phony tobacco flavorings are god awful, if you're not using alot of flavorings and just want it for an accent,I'd try getting a NET extract and use a little of that.
 
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pulsevape said:
I think all phony tobacco flavorings are god awful, if you're not using alot of flavorings and just want it for an accent,I'd try getting a NET extract and use a little of that.
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Net = great BUT diacetyl is included generally
 
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Real Extract in Seattle said:
I have never heard such a blatantly ignorant misinformed irresponsible statement presented as fact in my life. (other than from the anti-vaping crowd). The NET's have nothing to do with diacetyl flavorings.

You can read up on this synthetic food additive here: http://www.toxipedia.org/display/toxipedia/Diacetyl
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Diacetyl is not just an additive, but something that occurs naturally. Even fruits have diacetyl... The important thing is to set acceptable levels. This is what is going on.
 
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Diacetyl is not just an additive, but something that occurs naturally. Even fruits have diacetyl... The important thing is to set acceptable levels. This is what is going on.
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so before you go getting people afraid of NETs it would be rationale to actually give them a realistic view of the actual quanities of diacetyl and degree of concern that NETs pose.giving them an enteire interview with only a passing mention of tobacco is not helpfull.
 
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so before you go getting people afraid of NETs it would be rationale to actually give them a realistic view of the actual quanities of diacetyl and degree of concern that NETs pose.giving them an enteire interview with only a passing mention of tobacco is not helpfull.
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People have to do their own research. I don't pretend to be a top scientist. BUT diacetyl has many sources. And this is a good thing to remind this information.
 
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@pulsevape

The BEST thing to do, is to make an eliquid with your NET, ship it to a lab, and share the results. This is what majors eliquids companies are doing. There are levels... such as defined by ECTA (ok to vape, little amount of diacetyl (no disclosure), bigger amount of diacetyl (disclosure), bigger amount of diacetyl (no sale).

* I thought you were a seller.
 
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@pulsevape

The BEST thing to do, is to make an eliquid with your NET, ship it to a lab, and share the results. This is what majors eliquids companies are doing. There are levels... such as defined by ECTA (ok to vape, little amount of diacetyl (no disclosure), bigger amount of diacetyl (disclosure), bigger amount of diacetyl (no sale).

* I thought you were a seller.
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no I am not a seller...
 
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VinceV1 said:
People have to do their own research. I don't pretend to be a top scientist. BUT diacetyl has many sources. And this is a good thing to remind this information.
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it is also a good thing not to throw irresponsible fearmongering about until you do your own research.. we have enough of that from outside the community....if you know something other than vauge rumors,or theroies...present it ...if not.... don't make baseless charges ...otherwise you seem to be nothing but a troll looking for attention...just saying.
 
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it is also a good thing not to throw irresponsible fearmongering about until you do your own research.. we have enough of that from outside the community....if you know something other than vauge rumors,or theroies...present it ...if not.... don't make baseless charges ...otherwise you seem to be nothing but a troll looking for attention...just saying.
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Companies selling only tobacco oriented eliquids had to remove or make other versions of a part of their offer. Not all theirs stuff, not nothing either.This is not rumours. This is about taking respunsibilities toward people, and fighting against people fighting this industry.
 
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@Baba Fats

Flavour Art have many good synthetic tobacco flavors.
Hangsen have many good NET based tobacco flavors.
Capella and TFA don't have a high ratio of success in tobacco, minus some flavors.
 
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If anyone reading this knows and remember what River Bottom Fog Sauce is and wants some shoot me a PM
I have close to 50 bottles that are brand new.
All different flavors and 15ml and 30ml bottles.
Nic level is high for any smoker making the transition or vaper who has that tobacco itch every once in a while.
I have 2% nic and 1.6% nic.
 
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VinceV1 said:
Companies selling only tobacco oriented eliquids had to remove or make other versions of a part of their offer. Not all theirs stuff, not nothing either.This is not rumours. This is about taking respunsibilities toward people, and fighting against people fighting this industry.
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which companies which juices. and you say tobacco oriented..what is that?...are they synthetic tobaccos or NETs...
 
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http://ecigarettereviewed.com/NET-e-liquid-flavor-vs-added-risk
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So below are all quotes from the article YOU posted...and they all say that NET juice contain harmfull chemicals at rates HUNDREDS of times lower than found in smoking tobacco...also there is not any refrence at all or concerns about levels of diacetyl in NETs,,, in the entire article.So from the article it plainly says NET juices are much much better for you than smoking,and that vaping other flavors are a little better fro you than NETs... Vaping is a harm REDUCTION therapy...if you want to be SAFE you need yourself to stop vaping altogether,because nothing belongs in your lungs but air.


Conclusion – For Tobacco-Lovers, NETs Are Worth the Risk


"So the risk from NETs is bigger than the risk from most juice, but in comparison to tobacco it’s still likely to be tiny"


"In comparison to tobacco, both types of e-liquid provide vast reductions in exposure to harmful chemicals."

"For the other chemicals covered in the study, the picture is much the same. Levels of nitrates in NET e-liquids are 313 times lower than levels found in tobacco,"
 
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https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...s-flavors-diacetyl-or-diketones.706706/page-3
Here is a good comment showing good points :
"I'm not sure why folks here seem to be giving you such a hard time for wanting vendors to disclose what's in their flavorings or juices, regarding DAP. The comments about doing your research before you purchase are amusing, if vendors don't disclose its pretty hard to do "due diligence". I myself like to know what I'm vaping, though I choose at times to vape custards and take the risks I see as small compared to cigarettes.
Most of the responses here are "who cares", that's the same cluelessness I and many others here had when we started smoking, only to learn the hard way just how harmful cigarettes are to our health.
So yes, ask the suppliers if they don't disclose if you want. Sounds smart to me."
 
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VinceV1 said:
Do you have any useful information to share ?
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yeah...stop vaping because it's not good for you..also stop eating sugar,red meat,carbs,GMOs,proccessed food,tap water,sun exposure,soybeans,oh and hold your breath will driving.....
 
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Why did this have to turn into a negative discussion. Obviously vaping is not 100% safe. Even if some of us choose to not use flavors without known dangerous chemicals (no matter how small the concentrations are) we know it is still not great for us. All this thread is focused on is a good tobacco flavoring. So if you don't agree with someones opinions about the science, keep it to yourself.

All I want to know is about flavors. I work as a chemist and can do my own research on ingredients once I get some options to try out
 
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Baba Fats said:
Why did this have to turn into a negative discussion. Obviously vaping is not 100% safe. Even if some of us choose to not use flavors without known dangerous chemicals (no matter how small the concentrations are) we know it is still not great for us. All this thread is focused on is a good tobacco flavoring. So if you don't agree with someones opinions about the science, keep it to yourself.

All I want to know is about flavors. I work as a chemist and can do my own research on ingredients once I get some options to try out
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I gave a specific answer to your question (amoung the rest, sorry for the rest). No. 5 and 24.
NET discussions are rare on this forum, that's why I spoke about it, but Information and questions are not negative imo.
 
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I really appreciated those. And Jimi D's input on #8. I was in between INW and FA's Latakia. So I'll give them both a try.
 
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Baba Fats said:
I really appreciated those. And Jimi D's input on #8. I was in between INW and FA's Latakia. So I'll give them both a try.
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Have to agree with @Jimi D, as the INW Virginia Tobacco Absolute is excellent, and I use the INW DNB too.
VZ-SC has some good ones, and ECX carries some good FE tobaccos also.
Never liked any of the FA's myself either.
 
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I haven't heard of VZ-SC yet. Who is that? I assume SC is "Super Concentrates". I typically get mysupplies from BCV, but I do use ECX for my FE lemon
 
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