Sigelei 213 TCR / TFC issues

[rice721]

The TCR function is not working as intended on this mod. A fellow member on ECF did a video to show this

I wanted to post this here so more mod owners can contact Sigelei and hopefully push for a fix.

You can test this with the mod yourself. Set your temperature to 200F, preheat to a high wattage 70-100W with a preheat timer of 0.1secs. If you have a dry burnt hit, that means the mod isn't doing what its supposed to, which is regulating the temperature via resistance of the coils.

Preset TC works, TFR seems to work half the time. Also there were issues with misfires (which I personally have not experienced) and garbled screen (also shown in video).

 

[Kevin2112]

Go to the Sigelei web site and click the TCR button. It's a tool to get the TCR value for the type of wire you are using. I did it this morning and the TCR and TFR are now temp regulating my coils. I'm using 316L wire set at 440 degrees and TCR set at .0005. It's been vaping awesome all day . very consistent .

 

[Vapin4Joy]

Go to the Sigelei web site and click the TCR button. It's a tool to get the TCR value for the type of wire you are using. I did it this morning and the TCR and TFR are now temp regulating my coils. I'm using 316L wire set at 440 degrees and TCR set at .0005. It's been vaping awesome all day . very consistent .

I believe the correct value is .0049, the tool shows .00049 which is 100000th devided by .10 eguals 10000th based on what is available on the 213 0.0000. Big difference of 5 ten thousands to 49 ten thousands, try it.

 

[Kevin2112]

I tried it and it didn't work. I tried it after locking my resistance and set the temp down to 200. The Watts climbed above my preheat wattage of 37 and never came down. The other setting at .0005 reduces the wattage quickly at 200 degrees

 

[Vapin4Joy]

I tried it and it didn't work. I tried it after locking my resistance and set the temp down to 200. The Watts climbed above my preheat wattage of 37 and never came down. The other setting at .0005 reduces the wattage quickly at 200 degrees

What's it do with a higher temp set, 410-450?

 

[Kevin2112]

At the .0005 as you raise the temp the vape gets warmer as it should. Right now I have it set at 430 degrees with my preheat set to 37 for .5 seconds. I can watch the Watts drop below the preheat to maintain the set temp. At 450 degrees it feels warmer, at 400 it feels cooler but slightly warm. I can vape a tank dry and the wicks dry without it getting hot all of a sudden and never get a burnt cotton hit. I get the same results if set to the SS316 preset and the TFR at .8611 wich is for a 435 degree setting. I don't understand all the math and stuff behind but I do understand the relation between heat and resistance. All I know is it seems to work well at .0005 for 316L wire. At the .0049 at 400 degrees the the temp control does not seem to work.

 

[Vapin4Joy]

You might try this, with SS I use TFR and the pre loaded M3, leave the setting alone, 35W pre heat at .5 sec and 410-420. Now this is how I do it, all subjective.

 

[JColt]

The tcr calculator on segelei's site does not coincide with the 213. The input for SS16l is 0.00049. How ever there are only 5 input #'s you can use on device. For those who did not see the ridiculous pop up warning on the site. Luckily I got mine at $70.00



The TCR temperature mode with Sigelei 213 is not accurate.

The Cause:

As Sigelei we have designed a more accurate way to temp control in which the functions is similar to the TCR on other product. Our liner temperature control is based on Fahrenheit units which in form has a higher level of precision compared to the common TCR which is celsius unit based.

Solution:

1.We have created a tool to do the conversion for you to turn the celsius based TCR values to our Fahrenheit based TCR ( Liner Temperature Control) values.The tool will be available on the Sigelei official website.



2.To meet market demand of some of the consumers,we will launch the Fuchai 213 version of the device which uses the more common Celsius based TCR calculation.

3.With the reduction of precision down to the current TCR market standards we will be able to launch the Fuchai 213 at half the cost of the Sigelei 213 model.

 

[JColt]

#3 still baffles the shit out of me.

 

[dcegan12]

#3 still baffles the shit out of me.

Yea so what are they saying? The 213 sucks so we're going to rename it the fuchai and sell it for half price. Sorry to all you guys who already bought one too bad

 

[Kevin2112]

Live and learn I guess. I'm still pleased with my purchase because it's small, uses 2 batteries and it still does temp control and regular power vaping. I don't own any other temp devices and for me it works. The preset 316 works and the TCR work with their numbers. I don't like fiddling with mods too much. The simpler the better. I'm getting a really good vape from the 213 and I'm really enjoying not getting burnt hits as the tank gets close to empty. I have also noticed that the coils don't gunk up as quickly. I can take a longer draw without relying on air flow to keep the coil from over heating. So for me it's working. Am I disappointed in Sigelei? Yes. They have been around for a long time and they should have thoroughly tested this product before release. Especially since there are people who bought this product because it's a Sigelei and there past devices were pretty damn good and reliable.

 

[dcegan12]

So I just spent 15 min on YouTube so I am now a self proclaimed electrical wizard. So it seems like the device actually works fine we just don't have the right numbers. The tcr values we find online are based on a Celsius calculation. The 213 uses a Fahrenheit calculation. The two different formulas produce different values. So sigelie says our mod doesn't work right, when it really does, marketing at its finest right there. Lol. All there website provides is the proper Fahrenheit based values as opposed to the industry wide Celsius based ones that the rest o dc the world uses. Stupid....yes, broken....no

 

[Vapin4Joy]

As far as the TCR issues with the 213, simple math to convert lets say .00333 for Ni. We want to convert from 100000 thousands to 10000 thousands.
Divide .00333 divided by .10=.0333.
Another feature that Sigelei e-mailed me, if you mount a atomizer with a nickel coil and set the mod to Ni200 and fire, it will self populate TCR settings, try it in Ni200 and three clicks to TCR and look, it even sets Pre Heat and limits Pre Heat to the proper setting.
One more interesting feature of the 213, doing the above also populates the proper TFR Values and gives to 5 profiles to choose from.
Me I use Nickel primarily, a Crown Ni, the mod chooses .0033, I use .0333 @470D and 40W Pre Heat, all subjective.
The mod does have many features and adjustably, there is a learning curve.
I looked at the Fuchai at FT, it seems it is a cheaper version of the 213, no carbon fiber and looks painted with color options, and a traditional TCR chip. For me the 213 is very accurate.
I give the 213 two thumbs up!

 

[TechnoGeek]

One more interesting feature of the 213, doing the above also populates the proper TFR Values and gives to 5 profiles to choose from.

I give the 213 two thumbs up!

Do all 5 work? I thought I read a few people say that only the first 3 work, and they cant adjust settings(or something similar) in m4 and m5)...

 

[Vapin4Joy]

Do all 5 work? I thought I read a few people say that only the first 3 work, and they cant adjust settings(or something similar) in m4 and m5)...

In TCR for me only M1, M2 and M3 are adjustable, but all three will populate with Ni at .0033. You can fine tune even more by in putting .0333 this is the value Sigelei e-mailed me when I acquired about .000333 when there are only 4 places on the mod.
Seems to me Sigelei has .0033 in the mod being .0333 rounded off to .0033.
Try them both, so far .0033 more flavor, slightly less vapor than .0333.