Benefits of unregulated vs regulated

[r055co]

Personally I leave my mechs at home, as well as all my best vapes. I take a "traveller" build, Pico + Diablo to work to vape there. That said, you don't need to remove the atty or batteries, simply flip the firing button and push it down and screw it in. This way the Delrin is making contact with the battery (not firing) instead of the metal. Then simply unscrew, rescrew, vape away and replace it when finished. My vape breaks are typically 1min max, just take a puff here and there so I take the regulated mod such that I can pull it from my pocket take a puff or two and move on. The whole swap back and forth takes a minute or so, so you'd still get a solid 4mins of vaping!

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[JERUS]

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You and Raymo need to start a bobblehead vape collection.

 

[AlbyKortoona]

I hear you, but using regulated mods I have .1-.15Ω where I don't find them good or capable pushing much over 150w. So I think something like dual 26gK FCs or the like at around .25Ω should be more than sufficient for a high quality vape and possibly still getting too much wattage.

I'm not after high wattage, the point is, with the .4 ohm limit with the NC it's difficult to stuff enough wraps of say - framed staples - in a 22mm atty to meet that limit. With the lower resistance usable with the HogV2 it's one way to skin that cat. I also have a Uwell Rafale X on the way, another way of skinning. Although it will overhang on the NC, I don't care. I'll just hide in the house and use it so the vape fashion police don't catch me...

 

[JERUS]

I'm not after high wattage, the point is, with the .4 ohm limit with the NC it's difficult to stuff enough wraps of say - framed staples - in a 22mm atty to meet that limit. With the lower resistance usable with the HogV2 it's one way to skin that cat. I also have a Uwell Rafale X on the way, another way of skinning. Although it will overhang on the NC, I don't care. I'll just hide in the house and use it so the vape fashion police don't catch me...

Yup yup yup, I get that, grab a HoG v2 and you should be fine at least at .24 easily. Potentially lower with better batteries and/or wanting to push it a bit. I still need to get the gumption to go for staples, but ugh it's going to be a pain and I need a solid day to work on it, which I haven't had for a bit.

 

[xpen]

(...)
8.4v divided by .05 ohm = 168 amps...right?

Missed the decimal, it's 16.8A
Still, some 140W

 

[AlbyKortoona]

http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/ohms-law-calculator

 

[ej1024]

UNREGULATED AND MECH MODS
ARE NOT THE SAME...

I prefer regulated box because I feel safer and they are nicer..

Unregulated box mod, I have one its called Big Bang box from hi-VAPERS I used to fire up my fat coils it could go down 0.05

I only have one mech mod
Collecting dust..
VAPE on


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[ej1024]

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Lol

 

[xpen]

http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/ohms-law-calculator

Nope, I was the one having missed the decimal place... 0.05, not 0.5
Oops

 

[Gheed]

I always just figure battery sag as taking 4.2 to 3.7, so series you're going from 8.4 to 7.4. As far as parallel with the "safety rule" you go from 20amp to 30 amp yes, though realistically you can go beyond that. Personally I love my 25rs, they treat me well and I've heard of "horror" stories that end up being nothing more than an inconvenience rather than a disaster. I consider them as a safe pulse up to 25amps, and all the research I've read on them has made me confident of that. Not saying they're actually 25amp continuous, just that you're pretty damn safe at that. So I would be surprised if with 25rs if you ran into any issues at 40amps with a parallel build. Between the inaccurate 50% rule and the safety of 25rs you should be fine pushing that far. Then again, at .24-28Ω(range between counting sag vs not) you'd get your 30 amp rating, and that would yield 222w+ (assuming sag, higher if not). Is that really necessary?

Yes.

 

[Gheed]

I love my NCs but in of the four atties I use on them they rang from .35-.5. They give me a great vape. The true power of series boxes comes in with 30mm atties and the massive coils that come with it. 8 wrap 26n80/36n80 aliens, 24a1 FC or quad 24n80 coils in a velocity style deck just to name a few.

If you get a HoG v2 just know your getting a clone. They made just under 1500 around 6 months ago. The battery sag on my aliens in my Buddha v2.


The sag on my 22mm Kennedy. (26g claptons)





I like my smaller FC and whatnot on the NCs but I love those massive builds in my 30mm atties.

 

[2naphish]

I like tube mechs because they are phallic shaped.....is that wrong of me.

well it is a Personal Enhanced Nicotine Inhalation System.

 

[AlbyKortoona]

If you get a HoG v2 just know your getting a clone.

Roger that. See some used resales from time to time but they're still $150+. Clones have dried up too, e bay was the only place I found them today, $48.

 

[JERUS]

Roger that. See some used resales from time to time but they're still $150+. Clones have dried up too, e bay was the only place I found them today, $48.

I think the HOG is something I would NEVER trust cloned. Mech cloned, cool, I can inspect it and see if it all works out, polish and play with, but unregulated with possibly bad connections...in series... with parallel! naw, I wouldn't trust it enough to get use out of it.

 

[AlbyKortoona]

You have a good point there. Dammit.

 

[Rhett1977]

@raymo2u just bought a clone of I'm not mistaken. Someone else did too. Maybe it was jerus or mythicalOD. Can't remember now. It was several days ago. Here's a link to what's supposed to be a good clone: http://focalecig.com/Product/Hammer-Of-God-V2-Style18650-Mechanical-Box-ModBlack-Gold-30661

 

[cloudsbroclouds]

mechs are hands-on. you will come to understand a lot more of how and why things happen with a mech. increase you knowledge base with a mech!

 

[raymo2u]

@raymo2u just bought a clone of I'm not mistaken. Someone else did too. Maybe it was jerus or mythicalOD. Can't remember now. It was several days ago. Here's a link to what's supposed to be a good clone: http://focalecig.com/Product/Hammer-Of-God-V2-Style18650-Mechanical-Box-ModBlack-Gold-30661

I think it was Midwest or Mythical that bought the clone

 

[Rhett1977]

please excuse my previous post. Not sure how I typed that shit out but it definitely didn't come out right.

I think @raymo2u and @Mythical_OD bought a clone HOG lately but I may be wrong.

 

[ej1024]

Mech/unregulated boxes are coming back


VAPE ON

 

[r055co]

Mech/unregulated boxes are coming back


VAPE ON

Damn, that means the prices will be going up

I know STFU, but I've kinda been enjoying trolling around getting $280 Mech's for well under $100, but I guess being at over a dozen Mech's now I should be happy

 

[ej1024]

Damn, that means the prices will be going up

I know STFU, but I've kinda been enjoying trolling around getting $280 Mech's for well under $100, but I guess being at over a dozen Mech's now I should be happy

U ready for the vapocalyypse


VAPE ON

 

[r055co]

U ready for the vapocalyypse


VAPE ON

Damn right I am, the FDA, the Politicans and all the other puppets of Big Tobacco can all burn in hell for all those people they have condemned to die from Tobacco.

 

[AlbyKortoona]

Here's a link to what's supposed to be a good clone: http://focalecig.com/Product/Hammer-Of-God-V2-Style18650-Mechanical-Box-ModBlack-Gold-30661

Is this the one that raymo melted down?

 

[ej1024]

Shit I gotta start buying some mech boxes...


VAPE ON

 

[raymo2u]

Is this the one that raymo melted down?

I would think so...I was told it was Authentic from who I bought it from....After putting a .05 Build on it and it melted I found out it was a clone...
Put it this way, as long as you dont build to .05 Ohms you should be fine on the clone....Ive vaped at .06 many times on it without issues but Im guessing the box's resistance is around the same as the build around .05.

 

[ej1024]

I would think so...I was told it was Authentic from who I bought it from....After putting a .05 Build on it and it melted I found out it was a clone...
Put it this way, as long as you dont build to .05 Ohms you should be fine on the clone....Ive vaped at .06 many times on it without issues but Im guessing the box's resistance is around the same as the build around .05.

O.05?


VAPE ON

 

[raymo2u]

O.05?


VAPE ON

Yea 00.05 Ohms
The Exact build that melted the internals of the HOG V1

 

[ej1024]

Yea 00.05 Ohms
The Exact build that melted the internals of the HOG V1

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GEZZUZ... damn dude.. That's too damn hot!


VAPE ON

 

[r055co]

I would think so...I was told it was Authentic from who I bought it from....After putting a .05 Build on it and it melted I found out it was a clone...
Put it this way, as long as you dont build to .05 Ohms you should be fine on the clone....Ive vaped at .06 many times on it without issues but Im guessing the box's resistance is around the same as the build around .05.

.05, way too hot for me. I've gotten a bit Rowdy a few times and have built down to .08 and .09 with big fat ass 22 gauge claptons on my 30mm RDA's but just way too hot. I don't like the way it Vapes or how scorching hot the RDA Caps get. For me the lowest I'll go is .15 when I want a rowdy build, most of the time I stay around .2 -.3

I remember some Moron had a youtube with a HOG Clone with a quad coil at .02 build, the fool was well over 400 amps and was bragging about how cool it was. Myself and others bashed him so much he took his youtube down.

Clouds Bro!

 

[raymo2u]

.05, way too hot for me. I've gotten a bit Rowdy a few times and have built down to .08 and .09 with big fat ass 22 gauge claptons on my 30mm RDA's but just way too hot. I don't like the way it Vapes or how scorching hot the RDA Caps get. For me the lowest I'll go is .15 when I want a rowdy build, most of the time I stay around .2 -.3

I remember some Moron had a youtube with a HOG Clone with a quad coil at .02 build, the fool was well over 400 amps and was bragging about how cool it was. Myself and others bashed him so much he took his youtube down.

Clouds Bro!

Yea that was just a show off build to compete with Chef's first build on the So Horney RDA....I wanted to color the build but it didnt even get there It wasnt going to be a build to actually vape...These were my "Vaping Builds" on the so Horney afterwards...



I actually enjoy a .08-.09 build the most....its alot like a Series build in the .38-.42 range...which is amazing for me

 

[martnargh]

i always though the hog was mech... ya learn something new everyday.
ive gone mech only, selling off my last regulated devices on my fb groups throughout the last couple of months.
while i have a good amount of mech boxes, been getting back into tube mods with a few heavy hitters, the higher end stuff and some clone stuff..
dont think ill be going back to wired mods unless its something like a 3s pwm box or something similar...

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[raymo2u]

i always though the hog was mech... ya learn something new everyday.
ive gone mech only, selling off my last regulated devices on my fb groups throughout the last couple of months.
while i have a good amount of mech boxes, been getting back into tube mods with a few heavy hitters, the higher end stuff and some clone stuff..
dont think ill be going back to wired mods unless its something like a 3s pwm box or something similar...

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It is a Mech...Its unregulated and has a voltmeter...

 

[r055co]

Yea that was just a show off build to compete with Chef's first build on the So Horney RDA....I wanted to color the build but it didnt even get there It wasnt going to be a build to actually vape...These were my "Vaping Builds" on the so Horney afterwards...

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Yeah that low and the amount of wire with 6 coils, I could only imagine how bloody hot that RDA gets, not to mention the hot vape!

It does look way cool though

I actually enjoy a .08-.09 build the most....its alot like a Series build in the .38-.42 range...which is amazing for me

i always though the hog was mech... ya learn something new everyday.
ive gone mech only, selling off my last regulated devices on my fb groups throughout the last couple of months.
while i have a good amount of mech boxes, been getting back into tube mods with a few heavy hitters, the higher end stuff and some clone stuff..
dont think ill be going back to wired mods unless its something like a 3s pwm box or something similar...

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yeah only thing I use my Regulated Mod's for now is as a safety precaution is to vape a fresh build on to triple check for shorts and what not. That and when I need to clean my coils between wicks. But I must say I just got the Hohmwrecker G2 and I'm really, really liking it so far. This vapes damn near like a Mech, it hits and it hits very well.

 

[raymo2u]

yeah only thing I use my Regulated Mod's for now is as a safety precaution is to vape a fresh build on to triple check for shorts and what not. That and when I need to clean my coils between wicks. But I must say I just got the Hohmwrecker G2 and I'm really, really liking it so far. This vapes damn near like a Mech, it hits and it hits very well.

That G2 is the only Regulated mod I think thats worth owning...Its smooth and consistent like a mech but it fires a coil like no other mod...like its preramped with no delay as soon as you hit the button but it sits right where you want it and the heat doesnt continuously get hotter like other mods...and thats just wattage mode!

 

[AlbyKortoona]

I would think so...I was told it was Authentic from who I bought it from....After putting a .05 Build on it and it melted I found out it was a clone...
Put it this way, as long as you dont build to .05 Ohms you should be fine on the clone....Ive vaped at .06 many times on it without issues but Im guessing the box's resistance is around the same as the build around .05.

Did you or are you going to get another HoG? @raymo2u

 

[Iliketurtles]

Mechs just put battery to coil. Constant 'whatever left in your battery' power. A lot of regulated mods use some kind of pulse modulation to achieve the power output to the load, you can hear them ticking/buzzing when you fire the coil. They also have a digital screen of some sort to show what the settings are. I prefer the mech vape and the batteries tend to last longer in a mech...though some of that is because you can keep firing it past where you shouldn't be firing it as the battery is too low. With a 'mech' you can fire anything, even if it's dangerous so you need to know what you are doing. You also need to know how to make the right coils for it to get the best vape out of it. So for me, mechs are better. I like to fiddle with stuff like coils and I have a technical background. I think you should not pay a premium price for technology in a mod, that technology will be outdated in 6 months and the value it had will disappear. A good quality mech is a good quality mech, it's value doesn't change nearly as much, unless you trash it.

 

[r055co]

That G2 is the only Regulated mod I think thats worth owning...Its smooth and consistent like a mech but it fires a coil like no other mod...like its preramped with no delay as soon as you hit the button but it sits right where you want it and the heat doesnt continuously get hotter like other mods...and thats just wattage mode!

I totally agree, the Mod may be ugly has hell but damn it hits like a mech. I'm really enjoying it, I'll be messing about with the TC on it tonight and tomorrow, really curious about how it works. I'm intrigued about the way they do TC, much like a computer network. Send out pings and they create the TC profile from that. My inner geek is fascinated by that since by profession I'm a Network Engineer and realize the base logic of what they're doing

 

[ej1024]

Mechs just put battery to coil. Constant 'whatever left in your battery' power. A lot of regulated mods use some kind of pulse modulation to achieve the power output to the load, you can hear them ticking/buzzing when you fire the coil. They also have a digital screen of some sort to show what the settings are. I prefer the mech vape and the batteries tend to last longer in a mech...though some of that is because you can keep firing it past where you shouldn't be firing it as the battery is too low. With a 'mech' you can fire anything, even if it's dangerous so you need to know what you are doing. You also need to know how to make the right coils for it to get the best vape out of it. So for me, mechs are better. I like to fiddle with stuff like coils and I have a technical background. I think you should not pay a premium price for technology in a mod, that technology will be outdated in 6 months and the value it had will disappear. A good quality mech is a good quality mech, it's value doesn't change nearly as much, unless you trash it.

I agree with you and disagree with you..


VAPE ON

 

[raymo2u]

I totally agree, the Mod may be ugly has hell but damn it hits like a mech. I'm really enjoying it, I'll be messing about with the TC on it tonight and tomorrow, really curious about how it works. I'm intrigued about the way they do TC, much like a computer network. Send out pings and they create the TC profile from that. My inner geek is fascinated by that since by profession I'm a Network Engineer and realize the base logic of what they're doing

Im right there on your level with that They said there are 3 different ways it does TC all at once and then compiles the info, pinging is a big bit of it but the others are a bit out of my grasp The TC is one of the easiest Ive ever seen after you understand it....all you ever need to do is set it to xXx Mode and then set your temp and wattage and for ANY type of metal you put on thereafter you only need to adjust the FSK Curve for it....Its genious and I feel they should make a device that only has a xXx Mode and Wattage mode next as its soo simple to use...Starts at around 15% and work your way up from there in FSK Mode and find what you like or feel is right then after that your golden for that build...
DO NOT LOCK YOUR RESISTANCE! It already does when you first thread something on...they dont understand why that option is even on it. I wouldnt suggest using the Auto TC Mode either as its not needed and kills batteries atleast 40% faster...

 

[raymo2u]

Did you or are you going to get another HoG? @raymo2u

Im looking at a Lipo 4S PWM Mod to replace it...that way I can fire ANYTHING and can control the vape if needed...Im also looking at a Custom 252 Box with 6 18650's...Im really not sure which to jump on yet..I really wish they didnt stop making the PIP Box or I'd scoop one up in a heartbeat...

 

[martnargh]

It is a Mech...Its unregulated and has a voltmeter...

so what internals were melted?

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[raymo2u]

so what internals were melted?

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Everytihng but the Voltmeter Display...the 510 Insulation, some of the metal around the 510, wiring, solder joints, the Voltmeter Board and more....I could easily fix it by removing it all and use a FDV 510 and wire it with 12g, fold some new copper sheet and it would be a true Mech but I would rather add mosfets and use a new voltmeter and more....someday Ill fix it.

 

[AlbyKortoona]

Does that switch/fire button on the clone need a mosfet? Would wiring one in have prevented the meltdown?

 

[AlbyKortoona]

I've been on the fence over one of these several times now, so just said fuck it and ordered one from focalecig. $41.62 shipped.

 

[raymo2u]

Does that switch/fire button on the clone need a mosfet? Would wiring one in have prevented the meltdown?

It doesnt have one, its a Mechanical push switch. its delrin that pushes that metal flap to hit the 510. Im pretty sure it would be fine if it had Fets or a Fuse...I have the parts list to rebuild the HOG and I think it would look cleaner after but I just havent had the money to do it yet...I will soon, Dual Mosfets, Vandal Switch, Blue Voltmeter or if the new Modmeter, FDV V4 510, and some 12g wire and that should cover it....it all should fit easily, the Modmeter if I get one will need some grinding/filing but it will be a much better box afterwards...

You could have gotten one from somewhere much closer for a few bucks more...I was going to buy a "Hydra" Box as a spare for around $50 on ebay in the States actually I just looked and I dont see any listed anymore....I may have to grab one from FT soon

 

[anen]

Thank you for all your inputs.

I have been vaping on regulated devices since the mvp 2.0 came out, and I do now want to try something new for me.

Seems my tastes have evolved as well as the technology. I never thought I would need more than 8 watts of power back then. Ha!

I am really liking the noisy cricket. But I am always on the go, and take very short 5 min vape breaks during my work days. Upon further research into the mod, it seems counterintuitive for it to not have a locking button for someone like me who doesn't have much time. I would have to either pull out the batteries or pull off the atty and store it elsewhere everytime I stop to vape.

For those who use their mechs on a daily basis, what do you do when stopping for a short break? Or is it something you get used to, pulling out atty and etc?

You can unscrew the switch few turns and Cricket will not fire. You can turn it up side down and screw it back in as well if you like that better.

 

[martnargh]

i kept my cricket in my pocket and never had any misfires.... ya gotta be wearing some tight pants i guess..

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[PaulS]

i kept my cricket in my pocket and never had any misfires.... ya gotta be wearing some tight pants i guess..

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Has not misfired YET.

 

[AlbyKortoona]

An in depth discussion of the Noisy Cricket can be found here;

http://vapingunderground.com/threads/thoughts-on-the-noisy-cricket.157210/

For anyone interested....