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In the wake of the mass shooting in Orlando last night - I am left saddened and outraged.
They say that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun. Thank you for putting your lives in harms way every day.


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One officer was injured during a shootout with the gunman at Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Fla. The officer sustained facial and head injuries when a bullet struck his helmet. Photo courtesy the Orlando Police Department
 

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Oh boy, yet another mass shooting and no mention of doing anything at all to control the violence

But ecig's need to be banned ASAP!!!!!
 

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Radical Islam plus gun does not equal mass shooting.

Sure this will get deleted.
 

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You're not allowed to drive unless you pass a written and driving test...but all you have to do to get a gun is not be a convicted felon and be 18 or 21

Oh but driving is a privilege not a right....Show me where it says that every single private citizen has the right to own a gun
 

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You're not allowed to drive unless you pass a written and driving test...but all you have to do to get a gun is not be a convicted felon and be 18 or 21

Oh but driving is a privilege not a right....Show me where it says that every single private citizen has the right to own a gun
That wont slow them down a bit...you could kill more people with a screwdriver then a gun and not let everone in earshot know your doing harm....and there isnt paperwork or a backround check for a screwdriver..

Even if there was a locktight program to require people to get guns the only people that would follow it are RESPONSIBLE LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS....people that do crimes dont care what the laws are or the requirements to gather what they need.
 

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Show me where it says that every single private citizen has the right to own a gun

It's the Constitutional Amendment Number 2 I believe
http://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendments/amendment-ii

RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS
Passed by Congress September 25, 1789. Ratified December 15, 1791. The first 10 amendments form the Bill of Rights

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 

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You're not allowed to drive unless you pass a written and driving test...but all you have to do to get a gun is not be a convicted felon and be 18 or 21

Oh but driving is a privilege not a right....Show me where it says that every single private citizen has the right to own a gun
Maybe people should have to pass a test to vote. That would fix most of the issues.
 

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You're not allowed to drive unless you pass a written and driving test...but all you have to do to get a gun is not be a convicted felon and be 18 or 21

Oh but driving is a privilege not a right....Show me where it says that every single private citizen has the right to own a gun
Try the Constitution of the United States....but you know that,you're being obtuse.
 

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Individuals are not a militia
the authors of the constitution ran the goverment , they were the Presidents and the congressmen, and not once not one single time did they introduce any legislation that would curb or regulate the private ownership of any firearm ....little asshole sophists like you and Eric Holder can come and get them if you feel up to it.
 

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Individuals are not a militia
They are. And if you knew anything of history, you'd acknowledge that as well.

But it doesn't fit into your agenda. Do you suppose, if some lowly citizen had been armed, and had the balls to stop the violence, that this would have been a non issue? Those people could still be alive and well, and the wacko gunman, dead.

Like it or not, we ARE the militia. Like it or not, WE are responsible for our own welfare.
 

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Man it's gonna be great when Hitlery imports 600,000 moreof these terrorist scumbags refugees.
they should dump them all in San Francisco after all it is one of the Meccas of Hilary's support.I'm sure the left especially the gays who support the DNC which is nearly all of them will be able to help with the rapeugees resettlement.....but they won't like the mexican illegals the goverment will dump them in districts that are conservative in order to swing the vote to parties that support the massive global goverment.
 

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Food for thought for those with an honest question....

"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."
-- Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788, on "militia" in the 2nd Amendment

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” -Thomas Jefferson

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
-- George Washington

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
-- Alexander Hamilton

"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
-- John F. Kennedy

"The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them." -- Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story

"...quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." [...a sword never kills anybody; it's a tool in the killer's hand.]
-- (Lucius Annaeus) Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD)

False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
-- Cesare Beccaria, as quoted by Thomas Jefferson's Commonplace book

Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defence? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defence be the *real* object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?
-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 9 1788

..and one of my favorites..

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin
 

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You're not allowed to drive unless you pass a written and driving test...but all you have to do to get a gun is not be a convicted felon and be 18 or 21

Oh but driving is a privilege not a right....Show me where it says that every single private citizen has the right to own a gun

you know you have a point the 2ND AMMENDMENT DOES NOT GIVE US THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS, IT GIVES US THE DUTY TO BEAR ARMS TO PROTECT THE UNION FROM A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT

the constitution is not written not to give the government power, but to give the people power and limit the governments.


as to the wounded officer, Thank you for what you and your brother/sister officers did. You all stood in the line of fire to protect the people from carnage and for that you are all heros.
 
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Man it's gonna be great when Hitlery imports 600,000 moreof these terrorist scumbags refugees.
What do you mean start the shit has been going on since the mid 90s when they walked away from training at various military bases.
 

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BTW,

The terrorist that did the shooting was investigated TWICE by the FBI and had been on the Terrorist Watch List and somehow got removed from it.

Why even bother if no one has the balls to do anything about it.

Like send these jerks packing?
 

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BTW,

The terrorist that did the shooting was investigated TWICE by the FBI and had been on the Terrorist Watch List and somehow got removed from it.

Why even bother if no one has the balls to do anything about it.

Like send these jerks packing?
On so it went from three to two.

But any returning vet that has been put on that is still on it... OFUCKINGKAY!! I feel safer.
 

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I've heard a lot of things from Alex Jones over the years. Many things I agree with and some not so much...

BUT

My gut tells me that he nails it right here in this short video: Watch it before rendering an opinion.

 

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I've heard a lot of things from Alex Jones over the years. Many things I agree with and some not so much...

BUT

My gut tells me that he nails it right here in this short video: Watch it before rendering an opinion.

Listen past the volume and the amped nature and the info he puts out there is just stunning.
 

pulsevape

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On so it went from three to two.

But any returning vet that has been put on that is still on it... OFUCKINGKAY!! I feel safer.
why are vets on goverment watchlist and then assassins for the mexican drug cartels waltz back and forth across the border, hell the goverment is giving them rides up to phoniex, hell Eric Holder muled guns to them ...at this point in time you have to actually be retarded to believe for a second the goverment wants us safe or that the flood of immigrants legal and illegal has anything to do with aultarisim....you're just sticking your head in the sand rather than face a frightening reality...
 

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why are vets on goverment watchlist and then assassins for the mexican drug cartels waltz back and forth across the border, hell the goverment is giving them rides up to phoniex, hell Eric Holder muled guns to them ...at this point in time you have to actually be retarded to believe for a second the goverment wants us safe or that the flood of immigrants legal and illegal has anything to do with aultarisim....you're just sticking your head in the sand rather than face a frightening reality...
White, and returning Vets were put on watch lists.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/
 

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Listen past the volume and the amped nature and the info he puts out there is just stunning.
stunning....WTF it's self evident with anyone who isn't brain dead or just burying their heads up their own asses to avoid the reality of the fact the goverment wants them in chains or dead.
 

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That bitch is an evil piece of shit.......and she just gets shuttled from one high paying goverment job to the other...now she's in charge of the Califronia reducation camps formely known as colleges....yeah if Nixon had used the IRS like Obama and the Clintons did to steal elections he would have been jailed for life.You are right the diffrences between us and North Korea are getting less and less pronounced daily.
 

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In the wake of the mass shooting in Orlando last night - I am left saddened and outraged.
They say that the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun. Thank you for putting your lives in harms way every day.


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One officer was injured during a shootout with the gunman at Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Fla. The officer sustained facial and head injuries when a bullet struck his helmet. Photo courtesy the Orlando Police Department

Sorry as a gun nut something does not look right with that damage.
HOLE is way to large, like it key holed on impact but it would not have penetrated it. But the other dents?

Not doubting an officer was injured but that helmet is suspect.
 

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They are. And if you knew anything of history, you'd acknowledge that as well.

But it doesn't fit into your agenda. Do you suppose, if some lowly citizen had been armed, and had the balls to stop the violence, that this would have been a non issue? Those people could still be alive and well, and the wacko gunman, dead.

Like it or not, we ARE the militia. Like it or not, WE are responsible for our own welfare.
I remember reading only a couple months ago about a man that was shot and killed in front of his GF when he pulled his weapon to try and stop a gunman that had no problem what so ever killing someone

LEOs are trained to deal with these situations and get killed in the process, now you want untrained people shooting in crowded places, yeah, that would have ended much better
 

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I remember reading only a couple months ago about a man that was shot and killed in front of his GF when he pulled his weapon to try and stop a gunman that had no problem what so ever killing someone

LEOs are trained to deal with these situations and get killed in the process, now you want untrained people shooting in crowded places, yeah, that would have ended much better
your arguement are lame brained please offer something more substantive....
 

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Plain and simple, folks that want "gun control" (i.e. take the guns away from private citizens) are fools. They have neither the capacity nor the desire to understand the real problems.

You want real gun control? How about firearms safety classes, manditorily taught every year in every public school? How about parents taking the initiative with their children to teach them right from wrong?

How about taking and assigning responsibility to the individual or organization for their own actions? When does that start?

As horrible and dastardly as the shootings in Orlando was, it was the cooky jihadist that pulled the trigger. It was wacked out crazy children who committed atrocities in Colorado and Massachusetts. Want to take the guns away? Timothy McVay proved that it doesn't take a gun to end innocent lives in large numbers. Just a rental truck and some everyday farm chemicals...perhaps we should limit fuel and fertilizer while we're taking the guns!
 

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at some point your testicles drop...at some point your brain is fully formed.at some point your able to deprogram yourself from the public school indoctrination, at some point you read history at some point you think outside the box at some point you expand your mind at some point you move from the premise what you think could be wrong,at some point you stop dismissing people that have been labeled dangerous thinkers and listen to what they have to say in their own words.....at some point if you have half a brain you hold the idea up to the light that.....what if all the shit in the world is there because the goverment wants it that way...what if the goverment wants you in chains....what if the goverment is not misguided,not ill informed, not incompetent,not foolish....what if the goverment is evil...what if they want all these problems here.....what if our misery profits them....
 

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at some point your testicles drop...at some point your brain is fully formed.at some point your able to deprogram yourself from the public school indoctrination, at some point you read history at some point you think outside the box at some point you expand your mind at some point you move from the premise what you think could be wrong,at some point you stop dismissing people that have been labeled dangerous thinkers and listen to what they have to say in their own words.....at some point if you have half a brain you hold the idea up to the light that.....what if all the shit in the world is there because the goverment wants it that way...what if the goverment wants you in chains....what if the goverment is not misguided,not ill informed, not incompetent,not foolish....what if the goverment is evil...what if they want all these problems here.....what if our misery profits them....

I hear what you're saying, but I'm struggling with how enslavement of the people amounts to profit. I think it comes down to elite autocrats believing that JQ Public isn't smart enough to make decisions for themselves, and that they are obligated to make sure the average dumbass conforms to their ideals "for their own good". They think they're helping. They believe they're "doing the right thing". The reality is, the people wanting to control the populace are pompous, self-righteous, ego-maniacs...maybe they do think they can profit from it then. Ah, fuck it, this is making my pea brain hurt. I'm going to bed.
 

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I hear what you're saying, but I'm struggling with how enslavement of the people amounts to profit. I think it comes down to elite autocrats believing that JQ Public isn't smart enough to make decisions for themselves, and that they are obligated to make sure the average dumbass conforms to their ideals "for their own good". They think they're helping. They believe they're "doing the right thing". The reality is, the people wanting to control the populace are pompous, self-righteous, ego-maniacs...maybe they do think they can profit from it then. Ah, fuck it, this is making my pea brain hurt. I'm going to bed.
no, dude it's a frightening thought but only because you live under the illusion you are a free citizen...we are not free citizens we are cattle. we are subjects.
 

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@KY_Rob. As people continue to receive what the need or want without working for it, their desire to strive decreases. This weakens them and society and makes the nation rely on the government for everything. That is the beginning of the end. Before you know there is no freedom, as we currently know it.
 

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I am so fuckin' glad I'm old & don't have to see the shit that is going to happen to the young people. The wealthy have always controlled the poor. The educated have always controlled the uneducated. It's how shit works on this planet. If you study & work your ass off you just might fall somewhere in between. :cool:
 

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The wealthy have always controlled the poor. :cool:
I have to disagree. Some poor do all they can to stay that way. A rough statement? Maybe, but no one pays anyone to sit at home, drink beer and watch TV all day. People don't like to start low and work up. Maybe 40 years ago, but not today.
 

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@KY_Rob. As people continue to receive what the need or want without working for it, their desire to strive decreases. This weakens them and society and makes the nation rely on the government for everything. That is the beginning of the end. Before you know there is no freedom, as we currently know it.
when the wealthiest and most powerful break the laws place themselves above the law then you have the begining of the end.
 

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when the wealthiest and most powerful break the laws place themselves above the law then you have the begining of the end.
Not to sound callus but no "poor" person will create jobs, etc. This is not popular thinking today.
 

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I have to disagree. Some poor do all they can to stay that way. A rough statement? Maybe, but no one pays anyone to sit at home, drink beer and watch TV all day. People don't like to start low and work up. Maybe 40 years ago, but not today.
need to be careful with that though...
the system punishes you for trying to get off of it. I was on disability for 5 years after a near death accident, went to school and got two degree during that time. One of which being electrical engineering. When I started looking for work I found out any job I got would make me lose medical insurance so the company would have to absorb it, additionally, it would mean that if for whatever reason I lost that job, it would take 18 months to prove that I were disabled again.

that's a big risk when you need that coverage for DME's. Rather than let you buy into it, for cost or cost plus some, you just get cut off. While people who have never worked, are coddled from birth to grave.
 

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@f1r3b1rd I understand that. Punishment for trying, reward for not. Change the system so everyone benefits.
well... that's all fine .. and I'm all for making it a hand up rather than a hamer down... which is what it is now
 

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@f1r3b1rd Also, I don't think you fit in that category. Growing up where I did I saw much of that. There are exceptions for everything. If you make one basket for all do you really think that will work? Just bring in communism. Everyone equal everyone poor, except the elite, which you will still have.
 

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@f1r3b1rd Also, I don't think you fit in that category. Growing up where I did I saw much of that. There are exceptions for everything. If you make one basket for all do you really think that will work? Just bring in communism. Everyone equal everyone poor, except the elite, which you will still have.
Ask Russian how well communism worked for them.
 

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