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Woodsman

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I want to DIY but I don't want to use artificial flavors. Anyone have a recipe using only natural flavors mixed with 100% VG? I'm open to any and all flavors.
Thanks in advance!!
 

Daintanee

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Nature's flavors are hit or miss in the taste department I hear. Their organic ginger and malt are excellent yet contain diketones. I haven't heard of anything that is all natural. There are essential oils, of course, but just bc it is all natural does not mean that it is safe. People who tend to be careful of what they take into their bodies here from what I have found and people I have conversed with tend to stay with the Flavourart company and a handful of the flavor apprentice.
 

RonJS

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I want to DIY but I don't want to use artificial flavors. Anyone have a recipe using only natural flavors mixed with 100% VG? I'm open to any and all flavors.
Thanks in advance!!

While Nude Nicotine has VG based flavors, they are only close to 100%.

"All of our concentrated flavors are extracted and solvated in a proprietary blend of VG and ethyl alcohol"
https://www.nudenicotine.com/product/en-fuego/

While much of the ethyl alcohol will evaporate, it will not completely vanish.

If you require 100% VG, you might look into making your own VG flavor extracts.

Ron
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"Persuade thyself that imperfection and inconvenience are the natural lot of mortals, and there will be no room for discontent, neither for despair."- Ieyasu Tokugawa
 

Daintanee

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Oh nice Ron! In that case I have tried a handful of their flavors...

Ones I really like are blueberry mojito, very berry, boysenberry jam.

Ones I thought were ok were patchouli vanilla ( just a sweet vanilla) & pumpkin spice, and citrus slap.

Ones I found awful were mango cream ( very piney) & tamarin d oh ( might be an authentic flavor, but not for me.

FYI, If you try them the cheapest way to purchase the flavor is their 5 pack flavor sampler pack of either 5 or 15 ml. Bottles. Also you can request a free nicotine sample of 15 ml for free one time in any % nicotine.

New ones I really want to try are their key lime pie filling and strawberry raspberry rhubarb pie filling.
 

AndriaD

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Here's the thing: for vaping, artificial flavors are actually better. Organic flavors come not just with the good stuff that nature provides, but also with the less than great stuff that nature provides -- toxins, or stuff that's fine to EAT, but not so much to inhale -- like diacetyl. Mother Nature doesn't have an "FDA" -- it provides the whole ball of wax, and there are a LOT of toxins found in nature -- like nicotine, for example. And cyanide. And that's just TWO poisons commonly found in fruit/vegetable matter ;) But lab-created flavors are created with ONLY those chemicals which are GRAS -- none of the natural toxins are thrown into the mix.

For food, I agree, artificial flavors are crap. But vaping isn't food. When you vape organic flavors, there are very often microscopic solids in the flavors, which will turn coils and wicks into a black, stinking mess -- I get that with Inawera Shisha Strawberry, and I put up with every-other-day dry-burning/rewicking, because the flavor is just that good. But you should be aware of this before just automatically dismissing something "artificial" as necessarily bad.

Andria
 

Woodsman

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Here's the thing: for vaping, artificial flavors are actually better. Organic flavors come not just with the good stuff that nature provides, but also with the less than great stuff that nature provides -- toxins, or stuff that's fine to EAT, but not so much to inhale -- like diacetyl. Mother Nature doesn't have an "FDA" -- it provides the whole ball of wax, and there are a LOT of toxins found in nature -- like nicotine, for example. And cyanide. And that's just TWO poisons commonly found in fruit/vegetable matter ;) But lab-created flavors are created with ONLY those chemicals which are GRAS -- none of the natural toxins are thrown into the mix.

For food, I agree, artificial flavors are crap. But vaping isn't food. When you vape organic flavors, there are very often microscopic solids in the flavors, which will turn coils and wicks into a black, stinking mess -- I get that with Inawera Shisha Strawberry, and I put up with every-other-day dry-burning/rewicking, because the flavor is just that good. But you should be aware of this before just automatically dismissing something "artificial" as necessarily bad.

Andria
I'll be reconsidering my stance on organic/natural flavors. In the beginning I used 50/50, then 70/30, then 95/5, then went to Guilty Pleasures VG/water (that juice really gummed up my coils), then to Velvet Cloud VG/water which does include some artificial flavors, it seems. I realize PG carries the flavors but somehow developed an anti-PG prejudice!!
 

AndriaD

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I'll be reconsidering my stance on organic/natural flavors. In the beginning I used 50/50, then 70/30, then 95/5, then went to Guilty Pleasures VG/water (that juice really gummed up my coils), then to Velvet Cloud VG/water which does include some artificial flavors, it seems. I realize PG carries the flavors but somehow developed an anti-PG prejudice!!

PG and VG vary pretty widely in how well each is tolerated; some people find that PG burns their throat and mucosa; others, like me, can't breathe with too much VG -- in my case, I have to use 85% PG if I want to keep breathing -- but when I tried 90% PG, I got the burned throat and mucosa. Neither is really better or worse for vaping -- it's all about individual tolerance. I've tried using more VG but thinning it with water, and it causes too much popping to suit me, so I went back to high PG.

I've vaped artificially-flavored, very-lightly-flavored ejuice, and its clean-vaping is pretty hard to beat... but now, I'm wild about this shisha strawberry, which is organic, and given that it's been my ADV since mid-Dec 2014, you can see that the flavor suits me right down to the ground, so I put up with the inconvenience of having to dry-burn and rewick every other day. 30% flavoring probably has as much to do with how much it gunks, as the organic nature of the shisha strawberry flavoring.

But whether the juice is higher in PG or VG has no bearing on whether the juice is "organic" or not. Both are organic chemicals, and both are synthesized in a lab. The meaning of "organic" has become quite muddy and very little understood.

Andria
 

Woodsman

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PG and VG vary pretty widely in how well each is tolerated; some people find that PG burns their throat and mucosa; others, like me, can't breathe with too much VG -- in my case, I have to use 85% PG if I want to keep breathing -- but when I tried 90% PG, I got the burned throat and mucosa. Neither is really better or worse for vaping -- it's all about individual tolerance. I've tried using more VG but thinning it with water, and it causes too much popping to suit me, so I went back to high PG.

I've vaped artificially-flavored, very-lightly-flavored ejuice, and its clean-vaping is pretty hard to beat... but now, I'm wild about this shisha strawberry, which is organic, and given that it's been my ADV since mid-Dec 2014, you can see that the flavor suits me right down to the ground, so I put up with the inconvenience of having to dry-burn and rewick every other day. 30% flavoring probably has as much to do with how much it gunks, as the organic nature of the shisha strawberry flavoring.

But whether the juice is higher in PG or VG has no bearing on whether the juice is "organic" or not. Both are organic chemicals, and both are synthesized in a lab. The meaning of "organic" has become quite muddy and very little understood.

Andria
The companies that market to the health-conscious types (like me?) emphasize "no PG', Vegan, Natural, Organic, and other buzzwords. In the end, it's probably just marketing. Velvet Cloud is the one I trust, irrational as that may be.
 

AndriaD

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The companies that market to the health-conscious types (like me?) emphasize "no PG', Vegan, Natural, Organic, and other buzzwords. In the end, it's probably just marketing. Velvet Cloud is the one I trust, irrational as that may be.

Yes, I'd say it's just marketing; both Pg and Vg are organic chemicals and both are lab-created; neither substance exists in nature; both are hygroscopic, in about equal measure, but the drying effect is not as noticeable with VG, since it also has emollient properties -- you're losing just as much of your body's water when you vape it, but your throat doesn't *feel* as dry, because of the emollient property. Still need to increase non-alcohol and non-caffeinated fluid intake. VG is also heavily marketed to cloud chasers, since it does create heavier, denser vapor, but some of us don't prefer that.

Andria
 

Woodsman

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Yes, I'd say it's just marketing; both Pg and Vg are organic chemicals and both are lab-created; neither substance exists in nature; both are hygroscopic, in about equal measure, but the drying effect is not as noticeable with VG, since it also has emollient properties -- you're losing just as much of your body's water when you vape it, but your throat doesn't *feel* as dry, because of the emollient property. Still need to increase non-alcohol and non-caffeinated fluid intake. VG is also heavily marketed to cloud chasers, since it does create heavier, denser vapor, but some of us don't prefer that.

Andria
I like the clouds, as I'm not a stealth Vaper. I like to sit in my truck and cloud it up. just for yucks.
 

AndriaD

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I like the clouds, as I'm not a stealth Vaper. I like to sit in my truck and cloud it up. just for yucks.

I don't generally have any reason to stealth vape, though I have, but whatever I'm doing -- forum, phone, book, TV, driving -- I wanna see what I'm looking at! And though I vape 85% PG, my husband waves away my little wisps like he's an ANTZ or something. :D

Andria
 

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