Dna 200 temp control acting weird

[twisted]

Hey I got a efusion duo with the dna 200 in it. I have a question that you guys might be able to help me with. When I first got it the temp control with my first build worked great. But I tried putting multiple other builds in (ss 24g and 26g spaced and contact coils) and It would put a line through the temp and just fire. It also sometimes would read like 3000f when I would hit the fire button but not get hot at all. And also I'm not sure why but I get a to high Oms message. Seems to be when my battery is at 60% but my ohms are .35. I emailed evolv about this to see what they think if it's something I am doing wrong or something wrong with the mod.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

@Wingsfan0310

What metal are you using?
What profile settings are on?
What are you firing settings?

You may know this but some of the noobs to tc do not, make sure both mod and atty are at the same temp to start
Also make sure your connections are good and tight
And don't pair the mod to the atty with a DNA if you have a good build




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[twisted]

Stainless steel 316L
I have the settings for ss316L 120watt preheat and 65 watts.

 

[DevAuto]

Stainless steel 316L
I have the settings for ss316L 120watt preheat and 65 watts.

It's starting to look like SS-316L is quite temperamental, I'm having an issue as well. DNA-Steve ... erm ... I mean @Wingsfan0310 may be able to assist. It sounds like a potential settings issue to me, but I'm still learning a lot about Escribe.

I will say that with TC modes you definitely want spaced coils and not contact coils. Some folks have had good luck with contact coils, but far more have had issues with them.

HTH ...

 

[twisted]

Everything I said happens also happens with spaced coils. I just made a spaced 8 wrap around 2.4 with 26 ss316l and it wouldn't read temp it would just put a dash through the 480 I had set and it would fire it. Then it started reading it and I put it on escribe and hit it. It got to 380 and was hot as hell. Then I fiddled with it and now when I hit it it goes up to my temp of 480 and it's a cool vape.

 

[twisted]

I'm about to just say fuck temp mode and just run power mode with the ss coils

 

[twisted]

But I paid all this money want to make sure it is working right and not just a user error.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Sometimes the fresh builds need to be broken in, also the grade of 316 matters. Additionally the quantity of metal plays a role.

All I use are as fused Clapton wire and I have yet to have an issue. The UD round ss316 can be more finicky that others. Try dropping your preheat to 90, with a 10 punch and 65w
Set your temp around 400 if single coil and 490 if dual coil,
Take the Atty off the mod let them both cool for about 10-15 minutes...


Also I'm assuming you're on a dual coil Rda?

 

[twisted]

I got it set to 100 preheat 2 seconds 10 punch and 65 watt. It's a duel coil. Also I just ordered some 26+30 and 28+32 claptons. I always used kanthal claptons. Do you use your ss claptons in temp or wattage mode?

 

[twisted]

Duel coil on a rta the moonshot 24

 

[f1r3b1rd]

I used dual fused Clapton from advanced vape supply. I buy the spool already done and just wrap the coil.

Dual coil you need to set the temp a little higher than single ,
Make sure your leads are good and tight, set the temp around 490-510

You should be good unless you have the material screwy in describe.

Let me look and see if I gave one in one drive if not wingsfan has see several he can upload

 

[twisted]

I am using the preloaded ss316L that was in escribe. And I also got the claptons from advanced vape supply

 

[f1r3b1rd]

Try this for your materials
http://www.filedropper.com/dna200-ud-ss316ldjaquithv35

 

[f1r3b1rd]

I am using the preloaded ss316L that was in escribe. And I also got the claptons from advanced vape supply

Well, try that profile, but, I've never had any issue with that wire, so it could be the post holes not tight enough or something else with the rba.... Or maybe @Wingsfan0310 has an idearr

 

[twisted]

Everything is as tight as it can be. I appreciate the help

 

[Wingsfan0310]

A couple of things to check if you already haven't.
1.On the general tab of Escribe is the Atomizer Analyzer. Hook up your mod with your atty screwed on but at room temperature. Click on the analyzer to see if your resistance is stable. Not all atomizers or builds are equal when it comes to stable resistance.
2. Click the mod tab of Escribe to see if your mod resistance is filled in (might need to click on Manufacturer Settings to expand the page). Also make sure the proper amount of batteries are selected (2 or 3 depending on whether your using the 3s Lipo or dual 18650's).
3. I had better results using spaced coils and basically turning my preheat off with SS316L (1 watt, 1 punch, 1 second).

TBH SS316 was very finicky for me (UD 316L). I worked ok but the TC graph was very bumpy (think EKG). I switched over to SS430 because it has a 50% higher TCR and my graphs are pretty smooth. I never looked back. I think 316 is on the low end of what are mods can accurately TC so everything has to be just right. Stable resistance is key, without that you are screwed.

SS430 TC Graph with preheat at 60 watts (Dual Coli on an Aromamizer Supreme)

 

[twisted]

1 atomizer analyzer is steady .254-.255 should I lock ohms? No right
2 don't see a mod resistance. And the batteries are setup right
3 have to try

 

[twisted]

Never mind found mod resistance .006
And it says ohm lock range 25%

 

[Wingsfan0310]

1 atomizer analyzer is steady .254-.255 should I lock ohms? No right
2 don't see a mod resistance. And the batteries are setup right
3 have to try

The only time Evolv suggests locking resistance in TC is if your resistance is unstable. I use mainly Aromamizer Supremes now and never lock my resistance in TC (never locked it with Billow V2's, Bellus either - if I had an atty with unstable resistance, I wouldn't use it with TC).

 

[twisted]

Ok I never locked it that's what I keep hearing. The ohms move like .02 when I vape at most if I vape alot

 

[twisted]

Maybe when I am putting a new coil on I am messing something up. Cause it either will put a dash trough the temp when I hit it or it will say like 3000F and not do anything

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Maybe try setting up a profile with .00092 as a TCR for SS316L. Just to make sure sure something isn't funky with the factory 316 setting. I would try that to eliminate the possibility.

 

[twisted]

When I put a new tank or coil on does it need to be room temp? Would it mess something up if it is still warm?

 

[Wingsfan0310]

When I put a new tank or coil on does it need to be room temp? Would it mess something up if it is still warm?

Yes it needs to be at room temperature or the mod will lock the resistance too high. If that happens it will mess up TC.

PS I'm talking about the atomizer, not the mod

 

[twisted]

So I switch tanks to see how my crius would do and it did just fine. It was cold. Then I put my moonshot back on which was still alittle warm and when I hit it it was much warmer of a vape then before I took it off.

 

[twisted]

Try this for your materials
http://www.filedropper.com/dna200-ud-ss316ldjaquithv35

Going to try this soon

 

[twisted]

I could get it open. But I did put one on from steam engine called ss 316L elite that I put on

 

[twisted]

Maybe try setting up a profile with .00092 as a TCR for SS316L. Just to make sure sure something isn't funky with the factory 316 setting. I would try that to eliminate the possibility.

How do I do this?

 

[twisted]

Maybe try setting up a profile with .00092 as a TCR for SS316L. Just to make sure sure something isn't funky with the factory 316 setting. I would try that to eliminate the possibility.

How do I do this?

 

[twisted]

Maybe try setting up a profile with .00092 as a TCR for SS316L. Just to make sure sure something isn't funky with the factory 316 setting. I would try that to eliminate the possibility.

How do I do this?

 

[twisted]

Don't know why it posted 3 times

 

[Telefunkin U47]

I had issues with 316 also. In the end I had to lock resistance and set it a little higher than it actually was (about.02). After that it works pretty well but still get a jagged curve. It also helps to turn off the preheat, that should stop it from kicking out of TC mode. Seems like the DNA just doesn't like 316. There is a thread over on the evolv forum that says the same stuff, that's where I got the info here. Anyway I had the exact same issues and this worked for me. I haven't tried spaced coils but that is supposed to help also. Hope this helps!

 

[twisted]

How do you turn preheat off? And what materials do you use for escribe?

 

[Wingsfan0310]

How do I do this?

I'm only going to answer once lmao .
Click on the material tab, Click on the + button, click on "unnamed", then click on actions, then Temperature Coefficient of Resistance, input the number, move it to materials on device by clicking on the green arrow between the boxes (you can name it). Don't forget after you are done to click on "Upload Settings to Device" at the top of Escribe to save it to the mod.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[f1r3b1rd]

DNA Steve needs record his own tutorial for escribe

 

[twisted]

Alright thanks going to vape this 316L elite setup from steam engine for a little then try that one out. Is that what you use for 316L

 

[ej1024]

Yeah
FUCK THE TEMP MODE
AND RUN IT POWER ALL DAY... Nobody got time for that!


VAPE ON

 

[twisted]

Yea I hear yea but I wanna make sure everything is working right

 

[twisted]

It also is weird in wattage mode I run it at 75 watts for a 8 wrap 26g and with kanthal I run 65 watts with a 4 or 5 wrap Clapton. And they are both warm vaped. I don't think I would ever run a 8 wrap 26g kanthal at 75 watts with out burning my throat. I thought stainless steel heated up quicker then kanthal and I would run at lower wattages. Or am I wrong? Does this seem right?

 

[Telefunkin U47]

I use the ss316l elite from steam-engine. To turn off the preheat just set it as low as it will go. Power mode with SS is a little different, as it heats up the resistance increases so each consecutive draw will increase the voltage for a set wattage. It should get hotter as you vape, at least if you take back to back puffs.

 

[twisted]

Temp control seems really inconsistent. One minute I will get a cool vape then next time I vape it will be warm and then some times it's hot. It's the same build not messing with anything. Is there something I need to lock in escribe that I am missing that is making it jump around? And it's also weird when I get a cool vape it says the temp control message. But when it's hot it never says it and I can see the temp in the lower 400s. Not even close to my max temp of 480.

 

[TechnoGeek]

Temp control seems really inconsistent. One minute I will get a cool vape then next time I vape it will be warm and then some times it's hot. It's the same build not messing with anything. Is there something I need to lock in escribe that I am missing that is making it jump around? And it's also weird when I get a cool vape it says the temp control message. But when it's hot it never says it and I can see the temp in the lower 400s. Not even close to my max temp of 480.

I believe you said tc worked ok on one tank, the Crius, but not on another?

If so, there's an.issue with connectivity on the one (moonshot) having a problem... posts, screws, 510, something internal.

I'd try using device monitor while trying to vape in tc mode... set it to monitor resistance, see if it jumps around while vaping....

 

[twisted]

No it was both messing up. But I seems like it is doing better with the ss Clapton coils

 

[f1r3b1rd]

More mass of metal makes it easier to do tc

Think about it, if tc is based in the change in resistance, than more metal to change translates to more change

 

[TechnoGeek]

More mass of metal makes it easier to do tc

Think about it, if tc is based in the change in resistance, than more metal to change translates to more change

True, as generally more mass means more resistance, which given the tcr/tfr of ss316L does help.....The recommended resistance for SS is =>0.5ohms, not to say you can't go lower, but it doesn't work as well......TCR is a percentage of change in resistance based on millionths
Degree Celsius.

Or to explain better.....
The TCR is relative to the starting resistance, meaning that the higher the starting resistance of the coil, the greater rate of increase in resistance with temperature. So a 0.10Ω coil heated hundreds of degrees will only increase in resistance by a few 0.1's, whereas a 1.0Ω coil heated the same amount will increase by multiple ohms.