First TC mod advise.

[HondaDavidson]

Just ordered a Istick Pico. First regulated mod. I want to try building for TC. Can I TC with my Kayfuns? What wire?

Current for my mech I run in the 1 ohm to 1.3ohm range with twisted 32 kanthal and nichrome. I know what I want to do in VW mode. I need advise on building for TC.




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[f1r3b1rd]

It depends on your Kayfun.
The kf4 is notoriously a pain to run in tc mode. the connection is not secure enough to maintain a consistent resistance for the boards to calculate accurately.
I've run both my kfl and kf5 in tc on a regular basis.
Personally I prefer using SS for tc, primarily so that I can us the same atty in non tc when the mood strikes, without rebuilding.
but, my adv is the kf5 with a fused Clapton at 0.4 ohms. on either the vaproshark200

I'm sure you will get a lot of people recommending the rx200. I find that mod to be a tad cumberson for an all day carry. additionally, I find the dna board to give me more of an ability to tweak a few different options.

to start off though, I would look at the hcigar vt133, or vt75. the dna is a great long term board, with a year of postsale support through evolv.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

It depends on your Kayfun.
The kf4 is notoriously a pain to run in tc mode. the connection is not secure enough to maintain a consistent resistance for the boards to calculate accurately.
I've run both my kfl and kf5 in tc on a regular basis.
Personally I prefer using SS for tc, primarily so that I can us the same atty in non tc when the mood strikes, without rebuilding.
but, my adv is the kf5 with a fused Clapton at 0.4 ohms. on either the vaproshark200

I'm sure you will get a lot of people recommending the rx200. I find that mod to be a tad cumberson for an all day carry. additionally, I find the dna board to give me more of an ability to tweak a few different options.

to start off though, I would look at the hcigar vt133, or vt75. the dna is a great long term board, with a year of postsale support through evolv.

The VT133 is the most underrated mods I've ever come across. Beware, once you try it, it will ruin you for most other mods. Once I bought my first DNA200, I've never bought a mod using another companies chip. They are just that good imo.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[HondaDavidson]

The mod is the eleaf Istick pico.... so 75 watts.. I doubt it will ever run in VW at above 25watts. Don't need mod suggestions...just wire and build suggestions. Where flavor is more important than visable clouds

What is good wire and build for tc.. for a vape used to unregulated vaping at less than 25 watts. I have v1 and 2 kayfuns and a Sat22 gene i will use with the mod. I might also use my drippers.... but not till i get the tanks figured out first.

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[joeyboy]

It may be easier to tackle a dripper first than your tank. I would get some ss316l and put a coil within the limits of your mod.
Once you understand the concept on a dripper the tank will be easy.

I understand you don't want mod suggestions, and I won't give one, but some are just easier to use for tc than others.

 

[joeyboy]

Edit: That is if your current mod can use ss316l. I have no idea.

 

[HondaDavidson]

It may be easier to tackle a dripper first than your tank. I would get some ss316l and put a coil within the limits of your mod.
Once you understand the concept on a dripper the tank will be easy.

I understand you don't want mod suggestions, and I won't give one, but some are just easier to use for tc than others.

Yeah, I was thinking SS also.. Mainly because I have been wanting to try it already. Stainless wire usage was on of the reasons I decided to buy the regulated mod. I just don't know what size or kind of build would be like what I currently use.


The mod at this time will be a TANK only mod. It was specifically bought to run RTAs or Geni tanks. Heck if I like it I might just stick with the factory coils, or get the rba head, for the Melo atty the mod comes with. I am also much more experience in building for the tanks than drippers. Heck I even have a tank all setup and waiting for the mod to deliver. Kayfun with a 1.5ohm 2x31 twisted oil I want to run at between 20-25 watts.
Also, I don't have any drippers at the moment that are not setup for Squonking. So I need to fix the drainage issues before using them. Not that I ever plan to drip. They will probably stay dedicated to my cReo.

 

[Ben-Rod]

Right now I'm running a 7 or 8 wrap spaced 316L coil 26 gauge that ohms out to .55 in an Avocado 22 on the Pico and it works very good in tc...

 

[HondaDavidson]

Edit: That is if your current mod can use ss316l. I have no idea.

My current mods are all mechanical.. Yes I could use SS with them. But being I vape at 20 or less mostly.. I figure I'd be looking at 32awg to get a vape I like. That just seemed to thin a wire for SS. When the Pico gets here I'll have the ability to play with Stainless in VW mode. I figure I'll start with 28 or 26 SS wire. Now Nickle or Ti...... I don't have a clue.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I use 28ga SS430 I bought from Unkamen Supplies. It works great. I'm not sure if the Pico has TCR, but if it does I highly recommend that wire for TC.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[joeyboy]

On my merlin I used a 24g ss316l spaced 9 or 10 wrap at 2.5 ID. It works well with good flavor and is a single coil. I just got 26g ss316l to use in my boreas to get a little higher ohms. That is a dual coil tank. 24g ss316l is similar to 22g kanthal. I have 28g ss316l but have not tried it. It seems small to me but I have been using larger wire for a while. I think 26g ss316l is good and you would like it. The ohms will be lower than what you are used to but tc is different so don't worry about that. Just stay within the mod limits.

 

[joeyboy]

I use 28ga SS430 I bought from Unkamen Supplies. It works great. I'm not sure if the Pico has TCR, but if it does I highly recommend that wire for TC.

Cheers,
Steve

Does 28 430 compare to 28 ss316l?

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Does 28 430 compare to 28 ss316l?

I prefer SS430 to 316L because it has about a ~50% higher TCR. SS316L TCR is on the very low side of what our mods can accurately TC so it can be finicky. SS430 is very solid in TC. The higher the TCR, the greater the change in resistance, the more accurate TC will be. SS430 from US is also Nickel free and and ships out of Missouri. It's all I basically use anymore.
http://www.unkamensupplies.com/coll...e-nickel-free-introductory-sale-100-guarantee

 

[f1r3b1rd]

I run 7/8 wraps of ss316l at 2.5mm diameter in my kfl3.1 with no issues on the DNA
I've run it on the istick100tc


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[HondaDavidson]

I run 7/8 wraps of ss316l at 2.5mm diameter in my kfl3.1 with no issues on the DNA
I've run it on the istick100tc


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What wire gauge????

Currently don't use anything lower than 28awg Kanthal. Rarely build less than .8ohms. My favorite builds are twisted 31 and 32 in both Kanthal and Nichrome. About the only time I use the 29 or 28 or even 30 is for dual coils in my Hobo 3 dripper. 26awg Kanthal so far is too low for my tastes.

I was thinking 28 in SS, or thinner would be more applicable to my tastes. Probably 30 or 32 if I can find some.. Agree?

 

[joeyboy]

With tc you set the temp and joules or watts. It is different than power mode. The heat you are getting now could be in the 400 to 500 degree range. For tc you will need to rethink the process.

I like, as you know, 22g kanthal on a mech. I like the heat and flavor on my diy. So on my hohmtechs I used the same, or slightly higher watts and adjusted the temp to where it was a good vape in flavor and temp. I then fine tuned watts. Watts is used on a hohmtech product. That is simplified but I hope I make sense.

Get away from your twisted 32 thought. This will be different.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

What wire gauge????

Currently don't use anything lower than 28awg Kanthal. Rarely build less than .8ohms. My favorite builds are twisted 31 and 32 in both Kanthal and Nichrome. About the only time I use the 29 or 28 or even 30 is for dual coils in my Hobo 3 dripper. 26awg Kanthal so far is too low for my tastes.

I was thinking 28 in SS, or thinner would be more applicable to my tastes. Probably 30 or 32 if I can find some.. Agree?

Sorry. thought you asked about 28g


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[joeyboy]

Let me add that I am talking tc in kanthal and ss316l. You will figure what you like.

 

[HondaDavidson]

I know TC is different in process, properties and scale.. But the expected result will be the same. What I need to be satisfied will not change, only the route to getting there. So the twisted 32 is applicable in that it provides the example of the expected result. It's the benchmark. Now we just have to backwards engineer from that result to a roll or wire for TC purposes. I like the idea of stainless, because I can use it in a more familiar wattage mode. Would the gauges be different for VW and TC use with SS. For VW use with Stainless I believe I will need 28 or smaller. Will I need something else for TC? What about nickle or Ti?

 

[Neunerball]

I know TC is different in process, properties and scale.. But the expected result will be the same. What I need to be satisfied will not change, only the route to getting there. So the twisted 32 is applicable in that it provides the example of the expected result. It's the benchmark. Now we just have to backwards engineer from that result to a roll or wire for TC purposes. I like the idea of stainless, because I can use it in a more familiar wattage mode. Would the gauges be different for VW and TC use with SS. For VW use with Stainless I believe I will need 28 or smaller. Will I need something else for TC? What about nickle or Ti?

I use 316L SS wire. 28 gauge for dual coil builds, and 26 gauge for single coil builds.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

I know TC is different in process, properties and scale.. But the expected result will be the same. What I need to be satisfied will not change, only the route to getting there. So the twisted 32 is applicable in that it provides the example of the expected result. It's the benchmark. Now we just have to backwards engineer from that result to a roll or wire for TC purposes. I like the idea of stainless, because I can use it in a more familiar wattage mode. Would the gauges be different for VW and TC use with SS. For VW use with Stainless I believe I will need 28 or smaller. Will I need something else for TC? What about nickle or Ti?

I'll be honest, between your OP and this post It seems like you're asking alot of questions that will have more of a personal taste answer rather than facts.
Vaping has a short history with more preferences than anything else. -choice of wire being a major example.
This thread has a lot of general infornatiom, some will be repetitious, some may be new information that could be useful.


Quick start vapor guide for a new vapor

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[Synphul]

I've been using 28ga 316L ss in both single wire and twisted, single coil in t.c. and it seems to work well. Depending on whether it's a single wire or twisted, the # of wraps etc resistances seem to vary from .6 to 1.4ohm so has a decent range in that regard.

I'm not familiar with the pico, using the istick tc100w. I did find a large difference between using basic 'ss' mode in temp control vs setting the tcr in one of the memory settings. It looks like the pico should work the same way. An example, without changing the coil or build or anything in plain 'ss' tc mode my vaping range was around 260F to 330F. Much past that and it was really getting hot and burning things. After setting the tcr and using that, same coil and all I was able to make a much smoother transition from 320 to 330 to 340F and actually was able to vape into the 440F range without it burning my wick or being as hot as 330F in plain 'ss' mode.

Think of a color palette with white, a gray in the middle and black vs 50-60 color samples blended from white to black. Less sharp transitions from one temp to another for better range and fine tuning. Currently vaping at 245 C or 473 F and it's a cooler but more full flavored vape than I was getting under plain tc mode at 340 F.

According to steam engine the tcr should have been 88 (or at least a starting point) but playing with it I ended up using a tcr of 92 like the chart Wingsfan0310 posted.

 

[fq06]

I prefer SS430 to 316L because it has about a ~50% higher TCR. SS316L TCR is on the very low side of what our mods can accurately TC so it can be finicky. SS430 is very solid in TC. The higher the TCR, the greater the change in resistance, the more accurate TC will be. SS430 from US is also Nickel free and and ships out of Missouri. It's all I basically use anymore.
http://www.unkamensupplies.com/coll...e-nickel-free-introductory-sale-100-guarantee

Time for some wire, looking for ss430 but can't find 26g... anywhere.
Is the resistance in 430 a little lower than 316? Like would the same length in 430 28g be about the same as 316 26g?

Guess it doesn't matter with a regulated device but I just prefer to use a little thicker more robust wire to hold it's shape when rewicking a spaced coil.

 

[Synphul]

... SS430 from US is also Nickel free and and ships out of Missouri. ..

Nickel free but probably loaded with usda choice lead.

(For those who don't get the joke Mo has a bit of a lead problem, just look up 'doe run' which they finally shut down)