WHERE TO PURCHASE PRE-BUILT FUSED CLAPTONS?

[f1r3b1rd]

I don't care, just putting out my opinion and what I have seen. If someone chooses something else I could care less.

So what are you referring about the hard sell?

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are you serious? I would hope your reading comprehension is better than that.

 

[r055co]

are you serious? I would hope your reading comprehension is better than that.

Enlighten me, I'm old and on a phone

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[AlbyKortoona]

He forgot to mention that he's an asshole to boot...

 

[Whiskey]

 

[r055co]

I don't wear panties, I rather enjoy the free breaze.

I find it amusing that you care so much where anyone else spends their money. like a coil by special friend is some prestige thing.

For the record, I've never interacted with Crazy Chef until today. I will speak up though when someone gets a bunch of shit that I believe to be way off and yes that goes for anyone.

the members here are some of the most educated in vaping, I remember when you were for answers and someone tried giving you a hard sell. many of the same people you are giving grief to for where they choose to spend there money spoke up to help guide you.

I really am curious as to that time I was getting a hard sell, what was it for?

if anyone is having their undergarments bunched in their nethe- regions I would say its you.

Well if someone thinks I'm getting them in a bunch than so be it. This is the Internet and people miss interpret shit all the time


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[f1r3b1rd]

For the record, I've never interacted with Crazy Chef until today. I will speak up though when someone gets a bunch of shit that I believe to be way off and yes that goes for anyone.



I really am curious as to that time I was getting a hard sell, what was it for?



Well if someone thinks I'm getting them in a bunch than so be it. This is the Internet and people miss interpret shit all the time


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had I known you were going to be the next one arbitrarily referring to everything on ebay or from a country as crap I would have made a note.
its always funny to me when I see someone go from not knowing what they are doing, to speaking as If they are an authority on the matter and using scare tactics to try and heard others into their way of thinking.
- ironic really, not long ago that could have been you being pushed into the group think. but some of the people you are trying your scare tactics on, spoke up to help you.
perhaps you fell to group think anyway?

- and I never said anything about any particular vendor.

 

[Mattp169]

my panties are bunched because i care about people like chef and ray. They offer an invaluable service. Will the FDA reds effect that.MAYBE maybe not my crystal ball is broken.

I understand the reasons chef and ray charge what they do. I respect them. would i buy coils from them....yes if i wanted some specialty coil. or they sold lengths of specialty wires at a good price.

Why would I buy from hem
1. they care
2.they know their shit
3. attention to detail
and i could go on

but i dont need them to make generic blanket statements about wire quality between them and china nor do i need any insinuation that the chinese coils are made form wire which may be dangerous to vape.

In fact when they make those types of statements it turns me off from them and it turns others off as well.

So i want them both to succeed in their coil ventures and just urge them and everyone else in the hand made coil business to focus in on promoting what they do and leave out the risk of chinese wires spiel

 

[r055co]

had I known you were going to be the next one arbitrarily referring to everything on ebay or from a country as crap I would have made a note.

You misinterpreted my posts. I referred specifically to most wire I got from some vendors from China is crap. You failed to see were I also mentioned other wire like MKS, K.Bee, Pure Atomist as having luck with it.

You mentioned something about reading comprehension?

That and it's well known NOT to get batteries from eBay and Amazon, high probability of getting fakes.

its always funny to me when I see someone go from not knowing what they are doing, to speaking as If they are an authority on the matter and using scare tactics to try and heard others into their way of thinking.
- ironic really, not long ago that could have been you being pushed into the group think. but some of the people you are trying your scare tactics on, spoke up to help you.
perhaps you fell to group think anyway?

- and I never said anything about any particular vendor.

I'm not using scare tactics, just stating what I have learned and experienced. If you have something that shows anything I have or will state as being wrong, please bring it up. That is the only real way we can learn.

BTW I'm still curious about when someone gave me a hard sell. I don't remember anyone here on VU trying to push me to buy anything.


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[f1r3b1rd]

You misinterpreted my posts. I referred specifically to most wire I got from some vendors from China is crap. You failed to see were I also mentioned other wire like MKS, K.Bee, Pure Atomist as having luck with it.

You mentioned something about reading comprehension?

That and it's well known NOT to get batteries from eBay and Amazon, high probability of getting fakes.



I'm not using scare tactics, just stating what I have learned and experienced. If you have something that shows anything I have or will state as being wrong, please bring it up. That is the only real way we can learn.

BTW I'm still curious about when someone gave me a hard sell. I don't remember anyone here on VU trying to push me to buy anything.


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wow
where were batteries mentioned?
its been brought up ..."health risks?" a way around that has been mentioned in response to you. yet you only mention and harp on the risks (that have yet to be proven btw)
as you your own hard sells. go through your own post history . I'm merely trying to keep things honest in here. for the lurkers and smokers looking to start vaping.

I don't want a potential non smoker to see 25$ for a coil and let the maintence cost depicted by a vaping elitist to steer them into keeping on Marlboro.

we had that crap in the prorape threads.

 

[Adenrele1982]

The coilmaster jig, the one with the longer mandrels, is a useful tool. The rest of that kit is ~ok, but some of the pieces are like Dollar Store tools at a premium price. I think it was in the "Post your builds" thread that @raymo2u posted what you need and links to each item. You'll get much better quality and useful tools, and cheaper to boot.

Found it. http://vapingunderground.com/threads/post-your-builds.737/page-164#post-1057822
Post #8196

You're welcome...

Thanks AlbyKortoona! I found the coil master v2 for $29. I wonder if you believe it to be a good value, considering. Checking the link you provided, now. Thanks, again!

 

[r055co]

wow
where were batteries mentioned?

eBay reference, I mention that a lot. But with wire or anything else as I also mentioned in this thread you have to be very selective and careful on eBay.

its been brought up ..."health risks?" a way around that has been mentioned in response to you. yet you only mention and harp on the risks (that have yet to be proven btw)

Well shoot me if vaping machine oil or whatever residue on cheap wire isn't a health risk.

as you your own hard sells. go through your own post history . I'm merely trying to keep things honest in here. for the lurkers and smokers looking to start vaping.

I don't want a potential non smoker to see 25$ for a coil and let the maintence cost depicted by a vaping elitist to steer them into keeping on Marlboro.

we had that crap in the prorape threads.

I'm stating my opinion from what I have learned and experienced. As for $25 coils I personally think it's nuts unless they are the complex labor intensive stapled fused, etc. As I recall wasn't it you that got their panties in a bunch when I asked about why perfectly capable people don't roll their own? Wrapping a wire around a screwdriver really isn't that hard, thus why I asked the question.

As far as new vapers they're mostly all on Factory coils. But to expect a Rolls Royce or Ferrari at Toyota Camery prices are a bit ridiculous ya know.


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[Adenrele1982]

Run an alcohol pad down wire from UD, Wotofo, etc. You'll see the nasty shit residue. With that level of quality control one also has to wonder about the wire composition itself. Same goes with a lot of other wire.

Wire I like from Kidney Puncher is smelted in Sweden and milled in the US (stainless steel). Their Kanthal is actual Sandvik Kanthal. It's clean and no off taste / break in period. Shout out to Raymo for turning me on to it.

Other quality wire I've used is Temco, I prefer KP and CW, but Temco is clean and decent. Then after that I've had luck with K.Bee and Pure Atomist.

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You all are just freaking awesome, I tell you! Thanks for sharing such an abundance of valuable information! Soaking it all up... Vape On!

 

[Adenrele1982]

Its just a preference thing when it comes to people making purchases. Some will buy things and not care for where it came from or how its made while others do. I never wanted to jump into the thread as I know it wouldnt lead to any good but no matter whats said the people that buy what they buy-buy it because thats what they feel is right for them and nothing said will change that.
Much like in the Food business, Auto and Audio Industry, Tech & Cosmetics outfits and more some people have more leniency with products then others. There are others that are more strict with what they use because they want to know where it came from, its composition, who made it and how it was processed and these are the people that will pay the couple dollars more to feel they've gotten a better product.

I appreciate what everyone is sharing & am blown away by the feedback and the information contained. Most certainly more informed then before... I don't mind, at all, spending a couple dollars more for higher quality products, as long as its reasonable. Thanks again, everyone.

 

[f1r3b1rd]

why perfectly capable people don't roll their own? Wrapping a wire around a screwdriver really isn't that hard, thus why I asked the question.

As far as new vapers they're mostly all on Factory coils. But to expect a Rolls Royce or Ferrari at Toyota Camery prices are a bit ridiculous ya know.


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and here is where I get infuriated with vaping elitists assumptions,

2 weeks after I started vaping I picked up a few rbas. - if I came to a forum and saw someone saying all wire from china was a "health risk" but I can go buy X, Y and Z at 20$ a pop I would flip a shit and go back to smoking.

lucky for me, when I started I was to busy living my life in the real world, to come on the interwebs. So I leaerned from a few people in the back of a vape shop.

I have seen several other noobs skip or nearly skip the "coil head stage," as well - another disingenuous statement.

furthermore, as someone indicated - one can clean the wire. it isn't exactly rocket science. - the point has been said a few times in the thread; but, it doesn't fit your narrative so you quietly skip that to push your own narrative.

let it be known for the lurkers, any vaping item that you purchase should be cleaned throughoulyto remove any dirt or machine oil. no matter what its country ot company of origin. RBA's, RDA's wire... anything that will be in contact with your liquid. that said, I would clean the 20$ coil as much as I could clean the 3$ coil.
myself, I wrap my own with wire from lightneing vapes, and I clean my wire with alcohol wipe before wrapping the coils.
I also buy some spools of SS from Advanced vape supply and do the same thing.
- it is immaterial and anyone should feel free to buy what they want from whatever company and/or country


- both sides of the spectrum should be represtened and let the person choose, for themselves rather than blindly following the eilitist vapors path.

I cant believe I have wasted so much time on this, I want a refund.

 

[Adenrele1982]

I could buy a 10 year supply of SS430 from crazy wire for the cost of some of those custom coils. My .02

Thing is the quality wire really isn't that much more than the crap wire, sometimes even cheaper.

I just don't understand the obsession for saving maybe $2. Yes price does matter but quality is a major factor, especially something that I take into my body.

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Thanks for everything you've shared, r055co. I am interested to know if the places you get quality wire(for not much more or sometimes cheaper), sell it pre-made...like then the only thing I would have to do is wrap it? Thanks again. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

 

[Adenrele1982]

Not bad, they were the best I had found before I started spinning my own. I do get a bit of a taste from them. I would recommend running the coils through the ultrasonic before vaping though.

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Thing is the quality wire really isn't that much more than the crap wire, sometimes even cheaper.

I just don't understand the obsession for saving maybe $2. Yes price does matter but quality is a major factor, especially something that I take into my body.

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Not bad, they were the best I had found before I started spinning my own. I do get a bit of a taste from them. I would recommend running the coils through the ultrasonic before vaping though.

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Is MKWS the place where I can purchase quality pre-spun wire and all I'd have to do is wrap it? What does the acronym stand for? Any other recommendations regarding the pre-spun wires and/or pre-made quality coils for reasonable prices, please share. Thanks again.

 

[Adenrele1982]

What, you don't use the easy coil, super duper electric coil jig by Ronco?........... lol

Yeah I know what you mean, I use the posts from my Coilmaster when mounting. That's really the only thing I use the CM jig for or on the extremely rare occasion I use standard wire.

I was watching a YouTube from Squid Dude and saw him using the UD, bought a couple and it's the best I've found. I also got some SS rods for rc car's from 1mm-5mm, been looking around for a decent small bench vise to get so I can use them. Last two I ordered from Amazon were pure shit and had to return.

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This all sounds like foreign language to me... any suggestions on where to start... I was so close to buying the coil master v2 DIY kit but now not sure at all. Ok, so if someone would list items to purchase, to start building... I'm on it!:/

 

[Adenrele1982]

this is getting hysterical to me/
ive seen the don't buy this, it will kill you argument since I started vaping
lately ive seen these damn coil arguments for weeks - it has officially gotten old
think of it this way., who is making the argument and what do they have to gain? - look at its roots

first it was mods. - all china mods were junk time bombs that would decimate an urban area if you used it.
then it was juice, juice x will kill you, with the 8th plague if you vape it
and then wicking material, if you didn't dance around the fire; and, ask ester for a special blessing on your cotton balls you would die of tuberculosis.
and then we had metal types.
nickel would give you cysts in your lungs and titanium would render you a steril unic.
finally, now we have county of origin of prewrapped coils.
if it has an area code in china it will kill you but if its made bny one of handful people in the usa and costs 4 times as much you bought your passage to vape heaven.

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we have enough fucking problems as vapors, we have common enemies and enemas.
can we try ..just try to not scathe people over their private purchases -
if someone feels better paying 25 bucks for a coil that's there perogitve, if someone wants to buy 40 for a dollar that is theres as well .

we need a back to basics moment it seems. - we don't smoke. we already won the battle. time to finish the war the fda and let the bullshit go.

f1r3b1rd, as a person new to vaping, I find the diverse feedback provided to be VERY informative and helpful! I started the thread to gain insight in order to make a most informed decision and insight is what I am gaining. I would have never considered much of what has been shared and want to be sure to acknowledge the significant benefits...

Vape On!

 

[r055co]

Thanks for everything you've shared, r055co. I am interested to know if the places you get quality wire(for not much more or sometimes cheaper), sell it pre-made...like then the only thing I would have to do is wrap it? Thanks again. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Best luck I've had with good quality wire is Kidney Puncher and Crazy Wire. Crazy Wire also has a variety of twisted, Clapton, etc.

Is MKWS the place where I can purchase quality pre-spun wire and all I'd have to do is wrap it? What does the acronym stand for? Any other recommendations regarding the pre-spun wires and/or pre-made quality coils for reasonable prices, please share. Thanks again.

I also got MKWS (it's a brand name) fused Clapton wire which wasn't bad. I do recommend running through the ultrasonic before vaping though. It may be me but I get a bit of a metallic taste from it at first.

As I posted earlier for base wire other than KP or CW decent wire is
Temco
K.Bee
Pure Atomist

They're clean and easy to work with.

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[Adenrele1982]

One thing though that I can't understand is this. Unless one has just started on RDA'S/RTA's or have a physical disability why they would buy pre-made coils. That is unless it's an elaborate coil that makes sense. But basic coils, Clapton, Fused Clapton and other coils that wire is available really isn't much of a reason not to build your own. Stuns me when I see people with RDA'S and even mechs go into the B&M to have them do a build. Hell I was in my local B&M and met a guy who was legally blind who just got into building, he builds his own, what's their excuse other than laziness? .

So what will they do when the 8th hits and the FDA regulations puts a complete stop to B&M's building?

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Great point, r055co! I started this thread, just as you stated, because I am new the the RDA-RTA atomizers. I am equally as interested in building my own coils, as I am about where to find quality pre-built coils to hold me, during my education & practice of making my own. This thread has been VERY HELPFUL & I will use the information wisely. Thanks so much!

 

[Adenrele1982]

I can answer that. I know in my my case I'm just lazy and I just don't have the skills or the desire to aquire them. Why should I when there are guys like Raymo2u around that will make them better than I ever could? I'm lucky I can make a basic coil, forget about claptons and aliens. It's just not worth my time or effort. I do have respect for guys that can and do have those skills. Personally for me it's just not worth it. I'd rather just pay for it.

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I'd rather pay for it, only until I am able to make my own! If it's rocket science, then I can understand simply paying for others to make them. Either way, Vape On!

 

[Adenrele1982]

omg... it matters why someone buys something?

It matters to me because it provides additional insight...

 

[r055co]

and here is where I get infuriated with vaping elitists assumptions,

Yes there are elitist assholes I agree, but there are also a lot of those who take it the wrong way or don't get/miss the full context. This is the Internet and lots of shit is miss read or taken out of context.

2 weeks after I started vaping I picked up a few rbas. - if I came to a forum and saw someone saying all wire from china was a "health risk" but I can go buy X, Y and Z at 20$ a pop I would flip a shit and go back to smoking.

lucky for me, when I started I was to busy living my life in the real world, to come on the interwebs. So I leaerned from a few people in the back of a vape shop.

I have seen several other noobs skip or nearly skip the "coil head stage," as well - another disingenuous statement.

furthermore, as someone indicated - one can clean the wire. it isn't exactly rocket science. - the point has been said a few times in the thread; but, it doesn't fit your narrative so you quietly skip that to push your own narrative.

Really? I addressed cleaning specificaly in the thread about cleaning, you seem to have missed that.

let it be known for the lurkers, any vaping item that you purchase should be cleaned throughoulyto remove any dirt or machine oil. no matter what its country ot company of origin. RBA's, RDA's wire... anything that will be in contact with your liquid. that said, I would clean the 20$ coil as much as I could clean the 3$ coil.
myself, I wrap my own with wire from lightneing vapes, and I clean my wire with alcohol wipe before wrapping the coils.

Agreed, but don't expect to get hand made coils at the same price as mass produced coils. Nor expect the mass produced coils to be the same quality as hand made. You get what you pay for.

I also buy some spools of SS from Advanced vape supply and do the same thing.
- it is immaterial and anyone should feel free to buy what they want from whatever company and/or country


- both sides of the spectrum should be represtened and let the person choose, for themselves rather than blindly following the eilitist vapors path.

Agreed, but don't immediately assume someone expressing their opinions and sharing their experiences as elitist. The way we learn is from what others have shared.

I cant believe I have wasted so much time on this, I want a refund.

DITTO!


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[Adenrele1982]

and here is where I get infuriated with vaping elitists assumptions,

2 weeks after I started vaping I picked up a few rbas. - if I came to a forum and saw someone saying all wire from china was a "health risk" but I can go buy X, Y and Z at 20$ a pop I would flip a shit and go back to smoking.

lucky for me, when I started I was to busy living my life in the real world, to come on the interwebs. So I leaerned from a few people in the back of a vape shop.

I have seen several other noobs skip or nearly skip the "coil head stage," as well - another disingenuous statement.

furthermore, as someone indicated - one can clean the wire. it isn't exactly rocket science. - the point has been said a few times in the thread; but, it doesn't fit your narrative so you quietly skip that to push your own narrative.

let it be known for the lurkers, any vaping item that you purchase should be cleaned throughoulyto remove any dirt or machine oil. no matter what its country ot company of origin. RBA's, RDA's wire... anything that will be in contact with your liquid. that said, I would clean the 20$ coil as much as I could clean the 3$ coil.
myself, I wrap my own with wire from lightneing vapes, and I clean my wire with alcohol wipe before wrapping the coils.
I also buy some spools of SS from Advanced vape supply and do the same thing.
- it is immaterial and anyone should feel free to buy what they want from whatever company and/or country


- both sides of the spectrum should be represtened and let the person choose, for themselves rather than blindly following the eilitist vapors path.

I cant believe I have wasted so much time on this, I want a refund.

f1r3b1rd, please don't think your time has been wasted. Your input has been very insightful and helpful and is greatly appreciated!

 

[SMOKIE]

Sorry but Chinese wire my not be as strong as the US wire but if anyone thinks it's dirty just fire up the coil a few times, and presto it is sanitized. Worth the low price to buy pre-made China coils compared to some here in the US. Just my opinion.

 

[r055co]

This all sounds like foreign language to me... any suggestions on where to start... I was so close to buying the coil master v2 DIY kit but now not sure at all. Ok, so if someone would list items to purchase, to start building... I'm on it!:/

Actually buying a kit is a good place to start but I recommend also getting the UD Coil jig I posted also. That and double check the ohm meter included in the kit. I bought the same kit for someone just getting into building and it was way off. I ended up tossing it and giving him my spare. Great very accurate ohm meter from USA Ohm Meter, very accurate.

Great point, r055co! I started this thread, just as you stated, because I am new the the RDA-RTA atomizers. I am equally as interested in building my own coils, as I am about where to find quality pre-built coils to hold me, during my education & practice of making my own. This thread has been VERY HELPFUL & I will use the information wisely. Thanks so much!

Yep, that's the way I started and I'm still learning. I only got into building due to the bullshit coming down from government, I would still be perfectly happy on my Tank's and factory coils if not for them. But since I started I've really started going down the Rabbit Hole, it's damn fun, relaxing and rewarding.

Best advice I have is be a sponge, suck up as much as possible. Experiment and find what works for you but at the same time play it safe. Like following Mooch on his blog in reference to batteries, he's a God in the Vape community.

Welcome to the Rabbit Hole!



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[AlbyKortoona]

Actually buying a kit is a good place to start but I recommend also getting the UD Coil jig I posted also. That and double check the ohm meter included in the kit. I bought the same kit for someone just getting into building and it was way off

Brilliant, buy a kit and throw away the coil jig and the ohm meter. OMFG! Then you are left with the dollar store pliers. Listen to what raymo said on what tools you need.

 

[r055co]

Sorry but Chinese wire my not be as strong as the US wire but if anyone thinks it's dirty just fire up the coil a few times, and presto it is sanitized. Worth the low price to buy pre-made China coils compared to some here in the US. Just my opinion.

If you're fine with that go with it. But as I mentioned before it questions their entire QA process. An example would be to walk into a restaurant with cockroaches, I wouldn't eat there especially when better options are available.

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[SMOKIE]

If you're fine with that go with it. But as I mentioned before it questions their entire QA process. An example would be to walk into a restaurant with cockroaches, I wouldn't eat there especially when better options are available.

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Now the real question is then have you tried chocolate covered ants, just yummy! PS Imported from China

 

[f1r3b1rd]

f1r3b1rd, please don't think your time has been wasted. Your input has been very insightful and helpful and is greatly appreciated!

I just hope youre able to get the information you actually need to make your own decision on what is best for YOU
that's the point of this whole thing.
what works for me and what works for someone else may be different.
which is why I avoided saying what exactly I use.

for the first year and a half that I was building I used a pair of nail clippers, a broken piece of coat hanger and a blue screw driver. with wire from lightening vapes

- and I work in electronics building quadcopters and robotics

it just shows that all the fancy things are not necessary. the most important thing that you need is clear unbiased knowledge

 

[AlbyKortoona]

Dig, man. All you need is a 3mm screwdriver, a spool of wire, and some cotton. If you get caught up in this, here is what you can look forward to...

 

[r055co]

Now the real question is then have you tried chocolate covered ants, just yummy! PS Imported from China

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I've had them, they are great. I've also eaten locusts when I was in the middle east, nice crunchy nutty flavor

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[raymo2u]

Dig, man. All you need is a 3mm screwdriver, a spool of wire, and some cotton. If you get caught up in this, here is what you can look forward to...

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Im not eve3n going to post where my addiction to building has led to

 

[r055co]

Im not eve3n going to post where my addiction to building has led to

I'm running out of room, it has started taking over my Apartment......


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[SMOKIE]

I'm running out of room, it has started taking over my Apartment......


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I feel you, I have a a 12 X 10 room just dedicated to vaping, and it is full, plus a PC, desk, printer for social networking.

 

[Mattp169]

I feel you, I have a a 12 X 10 room just dedicated to vaping, and it is full, plus a PC, desk, printer for social networking.

and he uses his car to shoot videos

 

[SMOKIE]

and he uses his car to shoot videos

Hey now! I use the vape room too, lol
See

 

[Mattp169]

Hey now! I use the vape room too, lol
See

yes but only on rainy days when you cant open the sunroof to vent the vapor

 

[SMOKIE]

yes but only on rainy days when you cant open the sunroof to vent the vapor

lol, do like the car better for reviews, got me!

 

[SirRichardRear]

This all sounds like foreign language to me... any suggestions on where to start... I was so close to buying the coil master v2 DIY kit but now not sure at all. Ok, so if someone would list items to purchase, to start building... I'm on it!:/

I have a coil master kit the first one, It's pretty good if you are using regular wire and making contact coils, but once you start to move onto the fancier wires it's not as useful as just using drill bits

As far as the wire discussion goes, Personally I've been buying wire from ebay and amazon for years without issue. I always clean my wire, a little rubbing alcohol on a cotton ball and wipe it down, then wash with water and dry and I'm good to go. I also dry burn it after making the coils as well. I mean, i work in an industry where we use a lot of high quality wires (generator industry) and honestly the difference between the "cheap stuff" and the "good stuff" is the insulation. Which isn't applicable for vaping. copper is copper, SS is SS, kenthal is kenthal. There isn't a quality difference, unless someone is implying that the wire is mislabeled and not the material it says. Pretty much everything is made in china because of the cheap labor.

 

[Waffle Baron]

Coming from a manufacturing background, it is absolute truth you need to be careful with what you buy. It is usually not what you can wipe off that is the problem, but what is inside the materials being produced. Impurities, toxins, anomalies and many other defects can happen because of over-site or lack of quality control during the production phase of just about anything, whether it was manufactured in America or China.

Just do like my grandpa says: "It's better to be safe than sorry! wait I think it was: "Don't be dumb ass son" or was it "when I was yer age..." Hell, just use common sense and all will be well in the world. It is not where an item comes from, but how and what it was made with.

 

[Harry Nutczak]

i think that there is good and bad wire from china. if you buy anything super cheap from anywhere its gonna be cheap quality too. not just china. that's why i like the chefs coils from purecoils.com there always A1 quality and look beautifull to.

 

[Huckleberried]

Im not eve3n going to post where my addiction to building has led to

Ah, yes, the Winnie the Pooh container...

 

[r055co]

Coming from a manufacturing background, it is absolute truth you need to be careful with what you buy. It is usually not what you can wipe off that is the problem, but what is inside the materials being produced. Impurities, toxins, anomalies and many other defects can happen because of over-site or lack of quality control during the production phase of just about anything, whether it was manufactured in America or China.

Just do like my grandpa says: "It's better to be safe than sorry! wait I think it was: "Don't be dumb ass son" or was it "when I was yer age..." Hell, just use common sense and all will be well in the world. It is not where an item comes from, but how and what it was made with.

Don't tell that to the wire is wire crowd

Yeah back in a previous life I was a jeweler's apprentice. Every now and again would see people come in with gold they picked up in Asia or the Middle East. Allot of crap, they would throw bench filings in while casting, lots of impurities and yes, a lot of difference in quality.

You hear oh it may not last as long but it's the same, wire is wire. Quality wire isn't that much more expensive and at times even cheaper.

I just scratch my head.....

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