Spec Diff B/T IPV6X and IPV400 ??

["11"]

Both these mods are similar looking, both IPV4U (of course)... the IPV6x has a centered OLED screen and looks a little sharper to my eye from pics, but aside from the relatively small exterior design differences (incl finishes, etc), does anyone know if there's any real diff in the specs/features?

 

[Paratech]

I checked the specs on both.
Copied them into excel and removed everything that was the same.
Here are just the differences.
Pioneer4You IPV6X 200W TC box mod
YIHI chipset, firmware upgradable
Output power: 10 - 200W
Resistance: 0.15 - 3.0ohm ( standard ), 0.05 - 1.5ohm ( joules mode )
Output voltage: 1.0 - 7V
Input voltage: 6.4 - 9V
Output current: 1.0 - 45A
Input current: 1.3 - 45A
Adjustable voltage range: 1.0 - 7.0V
Product weight: 0.210 kg
Package weight: 0.300 kg
Product size (L x W x H): 4.20 x 2.80 x 8.80 cm / 1.65 x 1.1 x 3.46 inches
Package size (L x W x H): 11.00 x 5.60 x 7.70 cm / 4.33 x 2.2 x 3.03 inches
Package Contents: 1 x Pioneer4You IPV6X 200W TC Box Mod, 1 x English User Manual
***********************************************************************************
Pioneer4You IPV400 200W TC box mod
Latest YiHi SX330 - F4 chipset technology
Maximum wattage output: 200W (doesn't mention LOWEST setting)
Resistance range: 0.1 - 2.0ohm
Output voltage: ?
Input voltage: ?
Output current: ?
Input current: ?
Adjustable voltage range: ?
Product weight: 0.170 kg
Package weight: 0.285 kg
Product size (L x W x H): 4.15 x 2.80 x 8.80 cm / 1.63 x 1.1 x 3.46 inches
Package size (L x W x H): 5.10 x 6.30 x 13.20 cm / 2.01 x 2.48 x 5.2 inches
Package Contents: 1 x Pioneer4You IPV400 200W TC Box Mod ( with Latest YiHi SX330 - F4 Chipset )

 

[Wingsfan0310]

The Input current of the IPV6X has to be wrong. There is no way a series mod can have an input current of 45 amps. If that's a correct spec than that's very dangerous since 18650's can't provide that amount of current. I'm assuming it's 25 amps.

Cheers,
Steve.

 

["11"]

Paratech - thanks so much. I heard about the IPV400 first as I was watching Daniel's (DJLsb) video on Sigelei Fuchai and in the comments, about 1/2 way down, someone asked him what a good 18650 mod is that is accurate for TC, etc... and DJLsb replied: "Well, the Q-Class, or the SMOK H-Priv or the IPV 400." (link to vid and comments edited so it doesn't post the video here: youtube.com/watch?v=g6x7MlxUapk) ...which I found to be high praise coming from him.

So even though the specs are missing for the IPV400, I assume from Daniel's comment he has tested it.

In looking for one I came upon the IPV6X which looks even more appealing from appearance (though both are nice, and I currently own an IPV4S I love).... so am wondering if the IPV6X is basically the same mod with a slightly different casing and OLED.

I noticed the IPV400 is firmware upgr, not mentioned in the IPV6X... however after 8/8/16 I am not sure it is even legal to upgrade firmware? That might constitute "a new product." (Regardless of the fact IPV4U rarely releases an upgrade anyway, except in one or two cases in the past to fix a bug. Though that's reason enough to have that feature!)

 

[Paratech]

Yeah I was rather surprised to NOT be able to find a review of the IPV400 by Daniel.
I looked there before posting the differences.
A few websites are saying that the IPV6X does have upgradable firmware.
Pioneer4you website has shit posted about it.

@Wingsfan0310 if the 45 amps is wrong, almost all vendors have it posted wrong so they all must have got their incorrect info from the same source.
But you make a good point.

 

["11"]

I was also hoping for a review from Daniel but then I'd want to see a review of the IPV6X too. I wonder if having products on "pre-order" counts as meeting the FDA deadline for 'being released' prior to 8/8. I doubt it. Seems like they will have to get out/sell at least a handful to beat the deadline, then push out the big numbers whenever they can after that date. Though I hope an entire production run is released prior to 8/8 as I really want one or both of these, depending on the differences.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I was also hoping for a review from Daniel but then I'd want to see a review of the IPV6X too. I wonder if having products on "pre-order" counts as meeting the FDA deadline for 'being released' prior to 8/8. I doubt it. Seems like they will have to get out/sell at least a handful to beat the deadline, then push out the big numbers whenever they can after that date. Though I hope an entire production run is released prior to 8/8 as I really want one or both of these, depending on the differences.

I understand wanting one but be careful. As you said they are going to try and push it out before 8-8. I would be very leery of buying a first run of anything pushed out right before the deadline. I think we are going to see some works in progress released just to get it out before 8-8. Just my 2 cents.

Cheers,
Steve

 

["11"]

Agree completely... and normally I wait for something to be out awhile and see how it goes. Since IPV mods are normally upgradeable and P4U *has* released bug fixes in the past when needed... in combo with the fact I own an IPV and love it.... in combo with Daniel having tested an IPV400 and recommending it... I am less wary than I would normally be except for the fact of not being sure if it will even be legal to fix a bug via firmware after 8/8. I read somewhere that one of the (MANY) bad aspects of the FDA regs are that even if a company released an approved mod (for example) then found a bug, they would not be able to fix that bug or issue without the product being deemed "a new product" and having to go thru a new PTMA process... which doesn't just discourage bug fixes but makes them irrelevant since it would take a couple years to approve the new version of the product. OTOH China might not care about fudging a bit, esp in the early stages, and releasing fixes if needed on these latest products they're shoving under the gate, but can't really count on that.

But also prices might also shoot up after the 8th... which is another reason to buy prior to if possible...

I am actually counting on the lawsuit succeeding, and I don't think the FDA reg's will stand in the end. I think a higher court will nullify them if a lower court doesn't. They are just too unconstitutional and RIDICULOUS on every point and front. But I don't know how long that will take, and in the meantime ....

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I'm already stocked up. I'm not waiting on something new to come out for that. I use mainly DNA200 mods. I don't think anything new is going to be better than the DNA200 chip. I also bought a few (quite a few) Aromamizer Supremes along with all my other RTA's. I've been strictly DIY for quite a few years. Have all the Nic I'll need, VG, PG, wire, Japanese Organic Cotton, and a good supply of flavoring. The minute those regs were announced I started stocking up.

Cheers,
Steve

 

["11"]

Found specs on the IPV400 but don't know how accurate they are. (http://www.vapordna.com/Pioneer4you-iPV-400-200W-Subcompact-Box-Mod-p/ipv400.htm) They pretty much match the IPV6X as far as performance specs go from what I can tell so far... (externally, think one is slightly narrower than the other by 1/2 mm or something... and then the centered screen on the IPV6X and the finishes, etc). Still not clear if they both use the same exact SX330 chip or not. From what it LOOKS like so far, the IPV400 supposedly uses the SX330-F4 while the IPV6X says here it uses "the latest SX330-F6" chip (http://www.3fvape.com/vv-vw-mod/985...od-black-aluminum-alloy-10215w-2-x-18650.html).

Now that does concern me a bit since Daniel recommended the IPV400 and it has a different chip. Yes the F6 is 'newer in the series' but newer isn't always better and would feel better after seeing it reviewed. But it is the one I favor (so far) between the two, just on external looks.

 

[Paratech]

From my understanding, the 8/8 date is only for the purpose of manufactures having a one year period to submit their info.
Granted the possibility of me misunderstanding it is indeed there.
There is also the possibility they'll screw up everything and the sky will fall.
I tend to lean towards things may become a bit more effort but we'll remain having access to the things we want/need.
It may cost a bit more but I doubt it'll go away.
If we DIY, even if the prices triple, we'll still be spending less money than we did on cigarettes.
I like the amount I have saved since 2011 but when I was a smoker, the price didn't really matter.
I was going to smoke no matter how high the prices got.
I recall complaining when the price of smokes broke $1.00 per pack.
I recall claiming I'd quit if they ever broke $2.00.
I recall claiming I'd quit if they ever broke $3.00.
I recall claiming I'd quit if they ever broke $4.00.
I recall claiming I'd quit if they ever broke $5.00.
When I quit, I was paying $60.00 per carton.
So from my side it was obvious that I was going to pay whatever they charged.
There was once time when buying by the carton was cheaper than buying by the pack.
At the end, it was the same price.
I was a carton per week smoker and I am very happily now a 30-45ml per day vaper.
I've reduced to 2.2mg nic and currently feel that even when I get to zero nic I intend to continue to vape.
I didn't switch for any other reason but to same money.
I enjoy vaping and I truly don't think it is due to the nicotine.
If the FDA getting their lying, dirty, grubby, nasty paws into this triples the price....I'll still vape.
If the FDA makes it next to impossible to get the supplies I need, as we all know, we'll still find a way.

 

["11"]

I'm already stocked up. I'm not waiting on something new to come out for that. I use mainly DNA200 mods. I don't think anything new is going to be better than the DNA200 chip. I also bought a few (quite a few) Aromamizer Supremes along with all my other RTA's. I've been strictly DIY for quite a few years. Have all the Nic I'll need, VG, PG, wire, Japanese Organic Cotton, and a good supply of flavoring. The minute those regs were announced I started stocking up.

Cheers,
Steve

I also stocked up on Aromizer Supremes, nic, VG, wire, cotton and flavoring. (I have been DIY from day one due mostly to not knowing what people were putting in their juices, and when I started, nearly all juice was from China.) Extra mods are the last thing I needed to get,,,

BTW I don't see how the regs can apply to VG, PG and bakery flavoring. That's like saying if I use a DC charger in my car to charge my mod, my car is a tobacco product. VG, PG and bakery flavorings are "borrowed" from other uses. At most I would think the sale of these products would entail a manuf warning they are not to be used for vaping... so the company doesn't have to meet PTMA crap.

 

[Paratech]

They have already proven that they'll do whatever they want whenever they want.
But we'll still vape anyways.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I also stocked up on Aromizer Supremes, nic, VG, wire, cotton and flavoring. (I have been DIY from day one due mostly to know knowing what people were putting in their juices, and when I started, nearly all juice was from China.) Extra mods are the last thing I needed to get,,,

BTW I don't see how the regs can apply to VG, PG and bakery flavoring. That's like saying if I use a DC charger in my car to charge my mod, my car is a tobacco product. VG, PG and bakery flavorings are "borrowed" from other uses. At most I would think the sale of these products would entail is a manuf warning they are not to be used for vaping... so the company doesn't have to meet PTMA crap.

I agree with the PG, VG, Flavoring, wire, and cotton. What I think might happen is if a vape store sells it, it will be considered a tobacco product. I think because of that it might be harder to find and more expensive (talking more about flavoring here)

I was almost out of VG so I needed to order it anyway. I order directly from Essential Depot. They were having a special on their glyCUBE. That 4 gallons in a combination you wanted of PG and VG for $58 shipped. That was too good to pass up. I've always ordered my PG and VG from them, just usually a gallon of each. The cotton was because a store I order from was having a special on Koh Gen Do 80 pack for $11 so I bought it (figured it wouldn't hurt to have some extra on hand). I use SS430 from Unkamen Supplies and they had a 4th sale so I picked up an extra 100 feet. Just picking up stuff when the sales were too good to pass up. I might still pick up an extra Liter of NN 100mg/ml before the 8th. I don't need it but Nic makes me the most nervous of things that will go up/be hard to find if people get panicked. I'm still kicking it around.

Cheers,
Steve.

 

[Paratech]

I might still pick up an extra Liter of NN 100mg/ml before the 8th. I don't need it but Nic makes me the most nervous of things that will go up/be hard to find if people get panicked.

The day the entire FDA announcement came out NN was flooded with orders.
I've been ordering from them for a while and they were always extremely quick to get my order out.
I also placed an order with them (because I was down to 250ml) after the announcement,
It took almost an entire week to see movement on my order.
I didn't give them a hard time about it because I understood what was going on.
But I say this simply based on your comment of people panicking.
They will, that's for certain.
Odds are it'll take longer to get and the prices will go up.
How much is dependent on how much more it'll cost them to produce it and follow the upcoming regulations.
I don't think we really need to over concern our selves with it as long as we are patient, we'll get our supplies.
But I do agree that NIC is definitely one piece that'll be hit the hardest.
Hardware will more than likely be just as easy to get but we'll probably have to get it from outside the US.
They'll just mark it as something other than what it actually is.
That's been happening for years on other products.

 

["11"]

I agree with the PG, VG, Flavoring, wire, and cotton. What I think might happen is if a vape store sells it, it will be considered a tobacco product. I think because of that it might be harder to find and more expensive (talking more about flavoring here)

I was almost out of VG so I needed to order it anyway. I order directly from Essential Depot. They were having a special on their glyCUBE. That 4 gallons in a combination you wanted of PG and VG for $58 shipped. That was too good to pass up. I've always ordered my PG and VG from them, just usually a gallon of each. The cotton was because a store I order from was having a special on Koh Gen Do 80 pack for $11 so I bought it (figured it wouldn't hurt to have some extra on hand). I use SS430 from Unkamen Supplies and they had a 4th sale so I picked up an extra 100 feet. Just picking up stuff when the sales were too good to pass up. I might still pick up an extra Liter of NN 100mg/ml before the 8th. I don't need it but Nic makes me the most nervous of things that will go up/be hard to find if people get panicked. I'm still kicking it around.

Cheers,
Steve.

I get my flavoring from The Flavor Apprentice directly, or thru WizLabs who sells TFA. I'm not concerned about the flavoring being affected since it is bakery flavoring.

I have also bought from Unkamen (Ti) but am getting my SS elsewhere and will stock up, though that is an easy item to simply package differently and avoid regs. But you're right... vape shops won't be able to sell it, and I feel for them.

That was a great deal on the Ko Gen Do... I have some but prefer using JOC organic facial puffs as I don't have to thin it down since these pads aren't as thick as KGD pads. So can tear off the top and bottom paper layer and they're perfect for 2.5-3mm coils. $5 shipped for more than you could use in 5 years. No taste, premium cotton... after using these several months I tried my KJD again to see if there was a diff in wicking or taste, and I still prefer the facial puffs for reasons stated and could not see any diff in KJD for wicking or taste (neither has a taste after the first few pulls).

I was a fan of ED VG and used it exclusively for years until recently. Will not use VG made from palm oil (Google eco disaster it's causing if interested) and they always assured me in the past it was coconut-sourced, not palm oil sourced. But this time I saw the website said "palm derived" so I emailed and asked. And now it's palm oil.

Maybe b/c of that (I am guessing, since they know palm oil is a big controversy) they offer soy-based VG now as an alternative, but only in the 4g cubit you ordered (or 3g + 1g PG). I can't go through 4 gallons anytime soon, and don't have room in the freezer for it. So found Duda Energy soy-based VG (also available thru Amazon)... about the same price as ED palm-VG per gallon (once shipping is figured in) and supports our local farmers since soy is a common crop. No de-forrestng required.

And yep.... I am also a NN buyer exclusively, and just ordered enough nic from them to last me the next 6 years. I also get the 100mg/ml stuff and freeze it. But I use very little nic, and in fact go back and forth during the day, refilling the tank with zero-nic, then low-nic... So I only had to get 500ml to last me a very long time. But you're right... NN is the one source I worry about, as if they went out of biz I don't know what I'd do. I like my little bit of nic and I have tried some nasty stuff before finding NN!

 

["11"]

Hardware will more than likely be just as easy to get but we'll probably have to get it from outside the US.
They'll just mark it as something other than what it actually is.

I really hope you're right about that!! OTOH I *do* think the FDA regs will be nullified.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

When I first started DIY I used mainly TFA that I bought from WL (I think almost everyone back then did). Now I mainly use Capella and FA. I still use a few from TFA, but not much (DDL mainly in my Vanilla Custard Mix). I agree about NN, best I've ever tried and I have also tried some nasty stuff in the past.

PS I only make 3mg/ml juice now but with the Supreme I vape more juice. That baby is thirsty

 

["11"]

PS I only make 3mg/ml juice now but with the Supreme I vape more juice. That baby is thirsty

I hear that! The AS is my fave, but I switch back n forth b/t that and the Griffin and they BOTH drink up the juice! A gallon VG will probably last me about a year. How long does a gallon last you?

 

[Wingsfan0310]

I hear that! The AS is my fave, but I switch back n forth b/t that and the Griffin and they BOTH drink up the juice! A gallon VG will probably last me about a year. How long does a gallon last you?

I use both VG and PG. I vary my mixes anywhere from 50/50 to 40/60 in the winter (it's cold in Michigan and you need some PG to thin the mix lol)) to 30/70 (PG/VG) in the summer. Heck it's hard to say now, I've only had the Supremes a few months. My juice consumption has definitely gone up with the advent of the 25mm RTA's in general and the Supreme in specific. I also have a Griffin 25, Billow V3 Plus, and should be getting my Limitless Plus in the mail this week (hopefully).

 

["11"]

My juice consumption has definitely gone up with the advent of the 25mm RTA's in general and the Supreme in specific. I also have a Griffin 25, Billow V3 Plus, and should be getting my Limitless Plus in the mail this week (hopefully).

Sounds fun. I got the Griffin 25 first, then the AS. Since I started vaping on those I feel like I'm making juice every time I turn around. Should probably just make larger amounts up but like storing in glass and happen to have bought a ton of 15ml amber bottles way back when. Enjoy your new Limitless.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

Sounds fun. I got the Griffin 25 first, then the AS. Since I started vaping on those I feel like I'm making juice every time I turn around. Should probably just make larger amounts up but like storing in glass and happen to have bought a ton of 15ml amber bottles way back when. Enjoy your new Limitless.

I bought 30ml Cobalt Blue, 60ml Green, and 120ml Amber glass bottles. Lately I've been making 30ml of juices I don't use as often and 120ml x 2 of my Vanilla Custard which is my go to juice.

 

["11"]

I bought 30ml Cobalt Blue, 60ml Green, and 120ml Amber glass bottles. Lately I've been making 30ml of juices I don't use as often and 120ml x 2 of my Vanilla Custard which is my go to juice.

That's a good strategy and been considering similar. Did you get your bottles off Amazon? Also... not to start any controversy, just curious... the reason I still use TFA is they're real good about saying if a flavor has 'custard ingredients' (diketones, etc). Does the custard flavor you use contain acetonin or any of the other 'unwanted' chems? I'd love to find a custard that doesn't. I use to make a killer Boston Creme Donut before the whole custard thing came out. I know some people choose not to care, so no judgement. Just asking.

 

[Wingsfan0310]

That's a good strategy and been considering similar. Did you get your bottles off Amazon? Also... not to start any controversy, just curious... the reason I still use TFA is they're real good about saying if a flavor has 'custard ingredients' (diketones, etc). Does the custard flavor you use contain acetonin or any of the other 'unwanted' chems? I'd love to find a custard that doesn't. I use to make a killer Boston Creme Donut before the whole custard thing came out. I know some people choose not to care, so no judgement. Just asking.

LOL - I use Capella Vanilla Custard. They make a V1 with and V2 without the supposed bad things. I personally think it's overblown since iirc only one worker in a popcorn factory ever had a problem (that's the way I remember it). No controversy for me, I think people should do what they are comfortable doing. My mix contains 6-7 ingredients (2 variations). I've never tried the V2 but it seems like most people like it, some don't. What I will say is I think Cap makes the best VC no matter which version you get.

Cheers,
Steve

 

["11"]

Yeah, the V2 stuff (TFA makes similar) uses another chem (butric acid) which I don't like and can't vape. Irritates the lungs (AND tastes bad). I LOVED the custard flavors and they never bothered me, (but who knows over time). I used to make Banana Custard, Bavarian Cream... and the Caramel with the custard ingredients is DELISH. I wish I didn't care too!!

 

[Paratech]

I hear that! The AS is my fave, but I switch back n forth b/t that and the Griffin and they BOTH drink up the juice! A gallon VG will probably last me about a year. How long does a gallon last you?

1 gallon of VG would make 5580ml of finished mix for me.
Based on the lower side of vaping @ 27ml/day, one gallon of VG would only last me 206 days.
My low is 22ml/day, my high is 46ml/day.
(I only used 27ml/day because I had previously done the math on that number)
So if I were trying to stock up and feel safe, I'd need about 7 gallons. (approximately 4 year worth)
However that is only an estimate using averages.
If I were to increase, I'd fall short.
Since I am not really stocking up, I have 2 gallons in the freezer with no current orders.
But you can bet I have plenty of NIC in the freezer from NN as well as working on the next order.