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True, but there is no interest/reason for the BT/BP lawyers to work overtime, find loopholes and force the issue, for those other kind of sites.
OK, but vaping isn't illegal. That stuff is, in most states.
How did your response have anything to do with my response to the OP?
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it didn't... I was making a statement.
everyone else gets to talk and say their peace or post whatever. I figured it would be ok to do the same.
haha its all good I was just curious I am a firm believer of going deep underground and everyone that gets on the forum is secure (VPN) and totally anonymous that way down the road no one can infiltrate the forum as evil agents and destroy my last bit of Vaping
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Sure, you might not be breaking any laws, but that doesnt mean the government wouldnt wire tap your phone and house if they suspected you were going to make a bomb.. I would not put that past them
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But i wouldnt be surprised if they try and make peer-to-peer selling illegal or at least really hard to do(legally)[/QUOTE]
You are probably right, but I have a gut feeling they will leave it be. You know, let us be till all of the existing equipment dies. Also, I feel they like to keep sites such as this one around so as to keep a eye on what folks are saying/doing.
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But i wouldnt be surprised if they try and make peer-to-peer selling illegal or at least really hard to do(legally)[/QUOTE]
You are probably right, but I have a gut feeling they will leave it be. You know, let us be till all of the existing equipment dies. Also, I feel they like to keep sites such as this one around so as to keep a eye on what folks are saying/doing.
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I don't think they really want to ban it -- I think they're just stalling until they figure it out enough to know how to tax it. Considering how long it's been around and they're talking in terms of "cartridges", 
it might be a while. 
They're kinda slow learners.
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it might be a while. They're kinda slow learners. Andria
I don't think they really want to ban it -- I think they're just stalling until they figure it out enough to know how to tax it. Considering how long it's been around and they're talking in terms of "cartridges",
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They don't need regulations to tax it. Some states/cities are taxing soda for christs sake.
They need regulations so only the big donor companies, ie RJ Reynolds etc, will be the only ones capable of meeting them. It has nothing to do with a ban. That will not happen. What will happen is only big company products will be approved. Like Blu.
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And Blu totally sucks. Makes me REALLY glad I learned to DIY, and have stockpiled a lifetime supply of nicotine in my freezer. And build my own coils. I saw the writing on the wall back in 2014.
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Anything is possible. Wasn't Nick over at grimmgreen just commenting on having to rush his new juice labels to print? I think he said they were scheduled for later this year but due to 8/8 had to be pushed up. Not only are new products allowed, new labels aren't. He mentioned they couldn't even change the font of the existing label as it would constitute a 'product change' according to the deeming regs.
Anal retentive doesn't even begin to cover it.
The ignorant tax on soda as well as vaping in PA makes me doubly glad I don't live there.
No telling what will happen in the long term, the 'stuff' that can't be mentioned is illegal in most states. Supposedly it's covered under federal regulations. I say supposedly because look at all the states who have 'legalized' it under state law even though federal law supersedes state regulations. The DEA isn't busting down doors and closing down shops and the feds are ignoring the big middle finger. Just like sanctuary cities do with other topics.
I'd imagine if states legalized and deregulated vaping aside from paying tax impositions on it, the feds wouldn't do much. They tried to make an example out of a few people for ripping music too and that all went by the wayside. They realize they lack the skills or manpower to truly combat it with any amount of regularity.
Anal retentive doesn't even begin to cover it.
The ignorant tax on soda as well as vaping in PA makes me doubly glad I don't live there.
No telling what will happen in the long term, the 'stuff' that can't be mentioned is illegal in most states. Supposedly it's covered under federal regulations. I say supposedly because look at all the states who have 'legalized' it under state law even though federal law supersedes state regulations. The DEA isn't busting down doors and closing down shops and the feds are ignoring the big middle finger. Just like sanctuary cities do with other topics.
I'd imagine if states legalized and deregulated vaping aside from paying tax impositions on it, the feds wouldn't do much. They tried to make an example out of a few people for ripping music too and that all went by the wayside. They realize they lack the skills or manpower to truly combat it with any amount of regularity.
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according to the 10th ammendment unless it is specifically in the constitution and a power given to the federal govt to control
state law always trumps federal law. that is the problem with the non mentionable stuff. if its being sold or transported acrosss state lines the fed has jurisdiction. its a very complicated mess actually
according to the 10th ammendment unless it is specifically in the constitution and a power given to the federal govt to control
state law always trumps federal law. that is the problem with the non mentionable stuff. if its being sold or transported acrosss state lines the fed has jurisdiction. its a very complicated mess actually
Torrent sites get closed all the time and their owners get prosecuted, while not doing anything illegal themselves.
How is having links to illegal files that are held somewhere else any different then having links to illegal vape gear that is sold somewhere else?
How is having links to illegal files that are held somewhere else any different then having links to illegal vape gear that is sold somewhere else?
I wouldn't worry about the forum and talk of modifiing mods.. After-all it is technically illegal to do most performance type mods to cars. Yet there are whole industries dedicated to just that. See in most cases it's not the modification that gets you in trouble.. The issue comes down to the how and WHO does the modification. I have a highly modified motorcycle. When I was building it I had to do the installation of most of the mods myself. The custom shops could build my parts and tune the motor, but it was illegal for them to make the actual modification to the bike. the guy that built the exhaust and dyno tune the motor, could not legally install the exhaust on the bike. My bike is not illegal to own or ride, but it may be illegal for me to sell it, as a modified bike.
You'd be wrong. The reason the feds don't go after the state "legal" shops for the unmentionable is simply because Obama has directed them not to. He cannot legalize it federally as it takes congress but he can decide to not enforce fed law in states that allow it. Any future administration can go after the shops in the "legal" states.
Obama has no intention of doing that for vaping as he could have simply prevented the regs in the first place. The FDA is under his purview. The White House signed off on them. He, nor Hitlery in the next four years, will not reverse or not enforce FDA regs on vaping that he agreed with.
Damned it Pulse keep those under wraps!!!!!Fuckin' A
I'm sure we can come to an arrangment.
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You could also get put on the no fly list and the terrorist watch list.
But as long as you don't commit a terrorist act...
I cant buy juice from my favorite company, they dont ship to california anymore. Because you have to have proof of id to ship to CA, and i assume they just dont want to deal with that. Im already affected by these regulations :\
fucking California......yeah I was buying something in state and they were going to card me......can you believe this shit...the Democrat Party of California says demanding Photo ID to vote in the presidental election is illegal and racist......but some how it's not racist to demand a fucking photo ID to buy e-juice....what a bunch of lying sacks of shit.
Do you know if you can get DIY stuff still? Know anyone that you can ask? That would take care of that for quite a long time. Not trying to push DIY on ya, but it's one possible solution.
Probably. The companies that dont ship to CA are just being proactive and trying to adjust to the regulations, some sites still ship to me. Like i just bought a tank off ebay no problem, but ittl come around. Ive always wanted to get into DIY, is there a good concentrated flavor brand you can recommend?
I use several, but FlavourArt is my main squeeze, taking up the bulk of my inventory. They're super concentrated, so less is more, fruits taste like the name says in most cases, desserts are fantastic. TFA, Capella and Inawera make some really good ones, too. It kinda depends on what profile of flavors your prefer. SO FAR, flavorings are safe. Who knows what the future holds. Candy makers may end up having to register with the FDA for all I know. EXCELLENT DIY section here, you probably already know most of us there.
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The flavoring Companies here in the US are already registered with the FDA for food handling.
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i contacted FA a few weeks ago
they told me they fully intend to be 100% compliant with any regulatiosn in the USA. and have more research then any other flavor company when in comes to using tehir flavors in vaping. SO they are 100% convinced they will be FDA approved and available for sale in teh USA with no issues
they told me they fully intend to be 100% compliant with any regulatiosn in the USA. and have more research then any other flavor company when in comes to using tehir flavors in vaping. SO they are 100% convinced they will be FDA approved and available for sale in teh USA with no issues
They published a letter about that a while back, Amanda posted it in the DIY. I was kinda being sarcastic about candy makers, but we're talking FDA here, too.
well the way im reading all these fda regs and stuff for us DIY'ers is this
if you are selling it as a vape product then it needs fda approval as a vape item. but if the same item is being sold for other purposes and not in a vape shop or online vape store, then it needs no fda approvalas a vape item to be sold there.
SO cappellas would need to go thorugh all teh FDA bs and follow all teh rules and be approved by the fda for a vape shop to sell tehir flavoring or use it in a recipe. But a candy maker can still sell capellas since it is not being sold to vape with.
MAKES NO SENSE but it is what it is.
which is why bull city vapors is now bull city flavors i think they are trying to not be a vape store but still sell diy supplies
if you are selling it as a vape product then it needs fda approval as a vape item. but if the same item is being sold for other purposes and not in a vape shop or online vape store, then it needs no fda approvalas a vape item to be sold there.
SO cappellas would need to go thorugh all teh FDA bs and follow all teh rules and be approved by the fda for a vape shop to sell tehir flavoring or use it in a recipe. But a candy maker can still sell capellas since it is not being sold to vape with.
MAKES NO SENSE but it is what it is.
which is why bull city vapors is now bull city flavors i think they are trying to not be a vape store but still sell diy supplies
Sorry to stray Smokie, but I feel that DIY definitely affects the forum, especially the DIY here, it's a huge part of the forum.
Matt, in reply to your comment, Bull City's supplies can be used for other means, too. If memory serves, Capella published a letter regarding their flavorings and I think they intended to follow through.
My take on what you've said, these flavorings are already FDA approved for food use. VENDORS that sell vape stuff, make them ecig flavorings, not Capella. Capella sells them for food use. That's only one opinion, I'm in no way saying that's the case.
With that said, I'll stop and anyone that wants to discuss this part further, I guess we should go to the DIY area..........
Matt, in reply to your comment, Bull City's supplies can be used for other means, too. If memory serves, Capella published a letter regarding their flavorings and I think they intended to follow through.
My take on what you've said, these flavorings are already FDA approved for food use. VENDORS that sell vape stuff, make them ecig flavorings, not Capella. Capella sells them for food use. That's only one opinion, I'm in no way saying that's the case.
With that said, I'll stop and anyone that wants to discuss this part further, I guess we should go to the DIY area..........
Good thing you have friends in the Great White North, who will trade vape gear for gun parts.....
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Na Carry on here, just gave me a excuse to moon you all, lol
yeah i really dont get how these regs work
does the company making the juice have to do all the work for each flavor
does the manufacturer of each igredient have to do the work and the juice mixers just have to submit they use these flavors by these companies and as long as all the ingredients were approved individually the juice gets approved?
its so confusing
im glad im not in the business myself
does the company making the juice have to do all the work for each flavor
does the manufacturer of each igredient have to do the work and the juice mixers just have to submit they use these flavors by these companies and as long as all the ingredients were approved individually the juice gets approved?
its so confusing
im glad im not in the business myself
Amen to that.
The flavoring companies are responsibile for their own FDA crap. Juice manufacturers list flavorings/company used, PG/VG nic for each juice, each strength, I think. They don't have to supply beyond that, I don't think.
The flavoring companies are responsibile for their own FDA crap. Juice manufacturers list flavorings/company used, PG/VG nic for each juice, each strength, I think. They don't have to supply beyond that, I don't think.
Well I'm not sure, but if the juice manufacturers will be required to provide the exact ratio and quantity of the chemicals in their juice and not just the composition with a rough estimate of ratio, then they're in trouble.
That's because they buy the flavors from the flavor manufacturers and those won't share their secret recipes, just a composition estimate.
Sure the FDA knows the exact ratios already, but they could still make it difficult for the juice manufacturers just because they can.
OK, wasn't sure about that. I had heard since the flavor companies had to furnish their own stuff, that the juice manufacturers would simply need to list the company that made it, then the flavor used. I'm not surprised.
In simple terms, you are correct. It's not the way it has to be, but the FDA did give the industry the option of developing a, well let's call it a list for simplicity, that juice manufacturers could use to list flavors used rather than a complete list of individual chemicals.
I have no idea if the industry is working to do that or not. Only that the FDA did give that option.
