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I use to order things from China all the time.....Like Mods, Tanks, RDA's, Wire, Accessories, etc.,....
Is this now something that is not allowed anymore?
Is this now something that is not allowed anymore?
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Is this the end for ordering stuff from oversea's?
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I disagree - I think there will be problems importing into the US. Evidently some cigar importers were caught by surprise recently...
http://halfwheel.com/cigar-imports-met-with-new-fda-filing-requirement/127536
Granted, these are cigar importers, not individuals, but I don't think the US Customs and Border Protection Agency is stupid. Yes, I know Fasttech (and probably other overseas companies) use names of individuals as the return address but they have these neat things called computers and scanners now. If a package from 'Mr. Li' (Fasttech) gets caught once, that name will get flagged and they'll start checking all of 'Mr. Li's' packages.
They'll also probably start flagging the recipient's names. I know the only things I get from overseas is vaping supplies.
Will they catch everything? No. But as time goes on, they (the CBP) will get better at finding things.
http://halfwheel.com/cigar-imports-met-with-new-fda-filing-requirement/127536
Granted, these are cigar importers, not individuals, but I don't think the US Customs and Border Protection Agency is stupid. Yes, I know Fasttech (and probably other overseas companies) use names of individuals as the return address but they have these neat things called computers and scanners now. If a package from 'Mr. Li' (Fasttech) gets caught once, that name will get flagged and they'll start checking all of 'Mr. Li's' packages.
They'll also probably start flagging the recipient's names. I know the only things I get from overseas is vaping supplies.
Will they catch everything? No. But as time goes on, they (the CBP) will get better at finding things.
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but as of right now, as I type this, are there laws effecting us from ordering overseas?
Importing. I thought I read somewhere on one of the FDA pages that importers will have to apply to the FDA for something. If I can find that page again, I'll post it.
http://www.fda.gov/TobaccoProducts/Labeling/ProductsIngredientsComponents/ucm456610.htm
If I'm understanding this wrong, I have no problem with being corrected on that. I prefer it, LOL.
If an individual orders something from overseas, they are an importer.
They make no sense.
Lol!
We should be OK. The page is displaying cigalikes and ego/CE4 setups as example of what they're looking for.
I was wondering about that, since they started compiling information in 2014.
I had a shipment clear Beijing last night, so we shall see.
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When you order a mod, tank, some coils, etc from overseas as a consumer it is NOT going to be scrutinized by customs, maybe down the road they make look at vendor shipments like they did back in 2010. But for the consumer your good to order.
My question is do the e-cig ONLINE stores based in US need to pay the tax?
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Sure they all pay tax, well most anyway.
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They already do that on the customs invoice, tube sample, wire sample, etc is how they describe on the customs form. I get 2 packages a week from China Post and DHL
Agree with your disagree.
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Even when they seized vendor shipments in 2010 all consumer packages were not held by customs.
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A matter a fact I reveived a DHL package today from iJoy in China with no issues or customs inspection.
Never had any DHL packages inspected from customs over the years.
Never had any DHL packages inspected from customs over the years.
I believe one of the recent products he reviewed also said the user manual contained no mention of vaping or the word vape or vaping. His take on it was plausible deniability that it's a 'vape device' if it's not even mentioned anywhere.
If they were smart they'd make a 510 pin flashlight head that screws on like a tank. Set the default settings of mods to an acceptable power range with a 'demo' setting or something that was able to power the light without burning it out. Sell the mods as 'adjustable flashlights'. lol
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I believe they already have those. Seems I vaguely remember a post from Vapor Joe about it.
@Teresa P , oh yea? Actually not a bad idea, I've just never seen one. Not that that means much but sounds like it'd be handy especially for outdoors people. I've even wondered about using a thicker gauge wire with a base to be used as a backup fire starter. Coils get plenty damn hot enough to light tinder. Then sit back and have a vape while the campfire gets going. Winning!
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That is a good idea! If I can find his post about the flashlight attachment, I'll put it here...
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But remember if it comes down to it in a few years where products can not be shipped from overseas at all, We will always have ways, and a black market
Yep, I have two flashlight heads for over 4 years now that connect to any 510 device
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If customs wanted to handle it they could, quite easily.
Everything with vaping related items in the invoice is opened and checked, everything from specific senders (like FT, HG, GB, 3F..) is opened and checked.
Having a list of all allowed items and everything not on the list is confiscated.
If they have doubts confiscate anyway and give you the ability to lay claim.
They don't have to catch everything, just enough for people to get discouraged.
Everything with vaping related items in the invoice is opened and checked, everything from specific senders (like FT, HG, GB, 3F..) is opened and checked.
Having a list of all allowed items and everything not on the list is confiscated.
If they have doubts confiscate anyway and give you the ability to lay claim.
They don't have to catch everything, just enough for people to get discouraged.
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Everything that needs to be checked will be placed at a separate queue and wait for someone to eventually check it.
USPS is expected to deliver on time (more or less), customs are not, they don't mind if you wait 3 months for your package.
USPS is expected to deliver on time (more or less), customs are not, they don't mind if you wait 3 months for your package.
Hey, I hope I'm wrong. I hope we can continue ordering from overseas and US customs will ignore it. But it's an obvious loophole and one the Customs Dept. could put a big dent into IF THEY WANT TO. The million dollar question is...do they want to?
In any case, I don't think it will start immediately. Any new program takes awhile to get up to speed. But if I were ordering stuff, I'd order multiple smaller package rather than one big package.
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They don't have to do shit (and either do you except buy stuff) until beginning 2017.
Then what the vendor has to do is free and his products stay on the market until at least August 8th 2018
So many people didn't do their homework and now they are all worked up.
Even worse you have stupid vendors that didn't do their homework spewing misinformation fucking things up worse.
In order to keep selling products until August 2018, you must comply with numerous provisions that have different effective dates, including registration for manufacturers and importers, ingredient submissions, warning labels, and other requirements. The next deadline of massive importance is December 31, 2016, which is when manufacturers (including importers) must register their manufacturing establishment(s) and individual products with the FDA if they wish to continue selling them past that date. There is no fee associated with filing these registrations, but it can be time consuming. (For more on future deadlines, see this timeline.)
http://vaping.org/august-8-2016-mean-vaping/
Then what the vendor has to do is free and his products stay on the market until at least August 8th 2018
So many people didn't do their homework and now they are all worked up.
Even worse you have stupid vendors that didn't do their homework spewing misinformation fucking things up worse.
In order to keep selling products until August 2018, you must comply with numerous provisions that have different effective dates, including registration for manufacturers and importers, ingredient submissions, warning labels, and other requirements. The next deadline of massive importance is December 31, 2016, which is when manufacturers (including importers) must register their manufacturing establishment(s) and individual products with the FDA if they wish to continue selling them past that date. There is no fee associated with filing these registrations, but it can be time consuming. (For more on future deadlines, see this timeline.)
http://vaping.org/august-8-2016-mean-vaping/
I'm from pa myself. I'm not sure how they could possibly begin to enforce out of state orders. Especially from overseas. Pa will never get a red cent from me in "vapor tax". No way to catch/prove what I am ordering unless the vendor themselves actually tell them. Not gonna happen. Gov Tom Wolf, I hope you are reading this. Now suck my d#ck.
I had zero issues getting these from China for members on the forum, that's 10 mods(ones in my pocket) that came from China, was opened by customs and didn't have an issue.
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I've had it done a couple of times on random packages, I think they see something when and if they X-ray it and just pull it
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I had zero issues getting these from China for members on the forum, that's 10 mods(ones in my pocket) that came from China, was opened by customs and didn't have an issue.
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How much are you selling these for?
Squonkers right?
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I just got a package from efun.top yesterday that said "Gifts" on the label.
The return address was some guys name and a regular address not "efun.top"
Gearbest does it the same way
Besides all of these China vendors sell other stuff like phones, android TV boxes, tablets, RC helicopters and drones, etc...
The return address was some guys name and a regular address not "efun.top"
Gearbest does it the same way
Besides all of these China vendors sell other stuff like phones, android TV boxes, tablets, RC helicopters and drones, etc...
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We've had IP addresses blocked so many times, we gave up. Now we order the husband's asthma meds from Canada by phone.
Already sold, making labels and shipping tomorrow. If you want if I do another group buy I'll send you a pm.
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I just had a package clear customs with a tank. I don't see it affecting to much, at least not yet
FDA is gonna go elephant hunting - they want to shut down a vendor that's violating the regs. They CAN'T go after the chinese distributors - so if they grab some packages, it will just be as an irritant. What they will do FIRST is go into vape shops and cite them for selling unnaproved juice.
Then they'll go after US-based manufacturers - liquid first, then in 2 years, perhaps try to kill the US hardware biz. If they even bother.
By then, they may have figured out a way to choke the Nic supply.
That's 2 years out - but think about it: no juice except for a couple huge brands with applications in, and no mods except a couple "closed" types with applications in.
We'll ONLY be buying from China.
Then they'll go after US-based manufacturers - liquid first, then in 2 years, perhaps try to kill the US hardware biz. If they even bother.
By then, they may have figured out a way to choke the Nic supply.
That's 2 years out - but think about it: no juice except for a couple huge brands with applications in, and no mods except a couple "closed" types with applications in.
We'll ONLY be buying from China.