are you being purposely obtuse? on one hand we have a candidate that is being supported by .every..single..insitution..of corrupt power on the planet..Hilary is supported by every globalist billionaire robber baron, by Wall Street, by Silicon Valley,by the entire media,by the GOP by the DNC,by the Catholic Church,by the entire muslim world , by the leaders of the EU,by Soros,by the Chinese, by you fucking name it...and then there is Trump who is being supported by the american people....and you are ridiculous to even attempt to lump them in the same basket...the kind of money and power Trump has weilded in his life is insignificant alongside the power and wealth the Clintons have weilded.....eminent domain give me a fucking break...Hilary was running the state department of the united states of america like a whore house...
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It's House and Senate that has the power
Doesn't matter anyway, Hillary has been anointed to assume the Throne.
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The alternative tobacco is why he had to run as a Libertarian instead of a Democrat. Neither Main party is ready for that yet.
I know what Automatic and semi-automatic weapons are... Although I still don't really understand why my 6 shooter is different.
But... What is an assault weapon?????? and why isn't my 6 shooter one?
Aaaaaaaa Clinton's didn't have real money until they went to the Whitehouse. Trump was born and has lived in that corruption his entire life.
Amazing how much I hear people parroting that he's an outsider and not part of the Banking and Wall Street click. Seriously can't believe people are that fucking blind. But it just shows the power of manipulation.......
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It's House and Senate that has the power
Doesn't matter anyway, Hillary has been anointed to assume the Throne.
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I agree on H. But where your evidence for the first statement......... NO, K Street and Wall street, has the power.
Yep, Trump is just as much the insider and the rest.... Or..... is he, a rich VICTIM of political blackmail and corruption. He was just rich enough to pay the bribes instead of grabbing his ankles. Like the rest of us. Personally, my back is aching.
It's amazing how blind you are..comparing Trump to a woman who has a trail of dead bodies and war crimes behind her and has her bloody hands elbow deep in some of the most reprehinable crimes there are..murder,assassination,rape,war... is so ridiculous it bears no serious consideration. wealth is not a crime...murder and rape are.
if he's so well connected to wall street why is wall street giving like 48 million to Hilary to date and nothing to Trump....
I stand corrected.
Anyway as fun as this has been I really have to try to get something done. Taking a xcountry and back trip by rail this weekend. Have to get shit done.
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While I agree with you ideologically and on the one party system, I wholeheartedly disagree with your method.
Ron Paul ran as a Republican. He was smart enough to know that you can't bust the Parties from without. It has to come from within. Did you support Ron Paul as a Republican?
Trump is not my perfect candidate but his priorities are better for me. He is also not a standard Republican but like Ron, he is smart enough to know that you have to work from within. His being more of a wrecking ball style.
It's House and Senate that has the power
Doesn't matter anyway, Hillary has been anointed to assume the Throne.
Technically, that's correct. In practice not so much. At least, not in the last four years. But, even if the House and Senate decided to take it's power back, it won't benefit me much if Hitlery or Gary is elected. The immigrants, legal and illegal, tend to be liberal and not concerned about the constitution and while they are more for social freedom the rest of my ideals are lost on them. As more and more of them vote, the House and Senate will be overrun.
So, it does matter. While Hitlery has been anointed, voting for Gary certainly won't make any statements. It puts us down a certain path of immigration until the country is unrecognizable. I'm not resigned to allowing that yet. Not when I have a possible alternative. I'd appreciate a vote for Trump. Like it or not, it seems the only logical choice given the circumstances.
Save the hate for the rich guy speech. Most libertarians don't hold grudges against successful people. Making money or not is a personal choice.
You just come of as,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,jealous.
Because Hillary has been anointed and Trump is only a distraction
I supported both Rand an Ron. The GOP leadership did/does everything that they can to stifle/sabotage them.
Voting for Trump will accomplish nothing. I vote in the Primaries, mostly GOP Primaries. But the system is rigged. It really has slapped people in the face with the leaks confirming that in the Democrat Primaries.
Have nothing against rich people, I take issues with phonies trying portray something they are not.
Anyway I really need to get ready for my trip.
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The FBI should hire Matt Lauer. He did a better job questioning Hillary than they did. Lol.
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Me too. Like Gary Johnson. See above video.
As they do Trump. But Trumps an insider. Riiiiiiiight.
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That's a nice sentiment but I've never voted for the lesser of two evils. Never. So, pulling a meme from 2012 isn't doing anything.
I've never voted for an R or D for President. And yes, I always vote.
Gary Johnson is as evil as Hitlery. His immigration policy is the same. Trumps policy is a good policy.
I'm voting for Trump because he has the best policies for the current conditions of the country, of those running.
You're the one voting for the lesser of evils, in your mind.
Ron and Rand Paul are Republicans. Rand was on CNN today, and supported Trump.
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THat is an embarrassingly weak argument....Trump has gotten more republican votes than any candidate in a long time,he has gotten more people to come out and support the GOP in a long time,he has gotten more of the black vote than any republican In a long time....hardly a distraction......Wall Street supports Hilary,because she is the insider. Do you have anymore of the media driven narrative you'd care to offer.
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We'll see come November, if I'm wrong (don't believe I am) but I'll at least own up to it and not make excuses.
That and after the first year of the presidency when the same old same old business as usual let's see if anyone wakes the fuck up. I seriously doubt it, they'll continue to blame the other party and make excuses for their own Political hack. Essentially, same shit just different date time group. The Oligarchy strengthens their grip around the throats of the people and the people still live in the illusion of freedom. What will the next distraction be? Kardashians dog sitting on the flag, Miley Cyrus shows a nipple?
The general Herd are such sheep so easily manipulated.
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Well, its been such a pleasure listening to your musings oh enlightened one. Get the fuck out of here. Another conspiracy theorist that thinks hes's got it all figured out.
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Yeah, you sound exactly like the Hillary supporters even when the blatant hard evidence slaps them on the side of the head.
Such is the life of those in the Herd.
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Life of the Herd, we'll see if you can think for yourself after the first year of the next Presidency or you just parrot what you hear from the party hacks.
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Who's not thinking for themself? You're pulling the lever for Johnson. Such a wise choice. Lol. Thank you oh enlightened one.
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Since you believe Government is responsible to have this much power you shouldn't have any problems with the FDA regulations and support them fully. Any connections to Big Tobacco and Big Pharma are just wild conspiracy theories then.
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I'm not the one bleating with the rest of the Herd.
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But you are.
Johnson is a politician. With rather poor policies. Your herd may be rather small, but it's still a herd.
OK if you say so.
Here's a bone for you about the eminent domain ruling which from your post doesn't seem to know that it was expanded. You know Government can sell to a private developer after taking it away. Yeah, I'm sure a conspiracy nut, aren't I?
In dissent, O’Connor criticized the majority for abandoning the conservative principle of individual property rights and handing “disproportionate influence and power” to the well-heeled.
http://ahrp.org/supreme-court-expansion-of-eminent-domain-sandra-day-oconnor-smelled-the-rat/
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You may very well be right.
Do you honestly think the Supreme Court is going to be better if Hillary gets to pick 2-3 more justices? Gimme a fucking break bro. Talk about bleating with the herd. If I want to listen to the shit your spewing all I have to do is turn on CNN or MSNBC. The moment you said your voting for Johnson you lost all credibility.
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Um, I'm well informed on eminent domain.
What I said was, I can die defending my property but immigration is a more demanding issue as if left unchecked I won't have any property because I can't fucking afford it. Illegal immigration drives down wages and increases the value(cost) of property.
Priorities man. It does no good for me to support an eminent domain candidate who does not have a policy to stem illegal immigration and increased legal immigration. I won't have enough fucking property to worry about some asshole trying to take it.
I'll go with the candidate that has an immigration policy so I can afford property to protect. It's just stupid at this point to do otherwise.
Voting for Johnson does me no good on property issues if the asshole lets everyone in to have it. That's just dumb.
And voting for Gary helps Hitlery win to fill the Court seats. Another dumb move if you're concerned with eminent domain.
Let's see it has taken the progressives... first as republican currently as democrat 100 years to get where we are as a country......... does anyone really believe that the next president can fix this. NO.....
All we can do is elect a person to at least start the process or reversing the damage or changing the course we are on.
Only Trump as bad as he may be represents anything that even hints at bringing any change.
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All we can do is elect a person to at least start the process or reversing the damage or changing the course we are on.
Only Trump as bad as he may be represents anything that even hints at bringing any change.
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reassuring thought when Hilary get us into another war or packs the Supreme Court with totalitarian lunatics.
at this point for me it's anybody but Hilary...she has just spilled to much blood,she has displayed an insane disregard for human life ...I refuse to sit on the sidelines and make the moral cop out that I voted for an inept impotent fool like Johnson just so I could wash my hands of participating in a bad situation,and make it worse by trying to absolve myself of responsibility....Trump may be a bad choice,but he maybe the only one I have to avoid a bloodbath......If as they say ..all it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing...voting for Johnson is doing nothing.
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Get used to it, as I've continually said the fix has been in for a long time. Hillary has been anointed by the Oligarchy to assume the Throne.
Don't believe me? Look at the Democratic Primaries. Stanford investigated and stated the Primary was rigged, Wikileaks released the emails that proved it along with a shit load of other shit. But hey, all the Hillary supporters (including mainstream media) when confronted with the hard evidence yell "Conspiracy Nut".
BTW add the guy that released the emails to the Clinton body count, but no one gives a shit. They just continue to parrot what they see on that 21" peephole to paradise.
Your deed to your property doesn't mean shit if the Government wants to transfer it to anyone who has influence, SCOTUS saw to that.
If you think that even if some miracle Hillary is struck down by lightening and Trump becomes el Presidente that he's going to effect any change you're living in a illusion. Just like the Obama supporters who thought Obama would reverse the Bush Doctrine.
Immigration, not going to change either. Build a Wall, yeah right if that is ever going to happen. Too much big business depends on "cheap" illegal immigration and the political power that comes from illegals voting. BTW I remember when I lived in the Central Valley of California, Senator Costa from Hanford sponsored and got a bill passed that gave Collage Scholarships to illegal aliens. So yes I'm pissed about this shit but also know nothing is going to be done about it, a lot of lip service and great diversion.
I have no illusions that Johnson is going to win, but I have to vote for someone and I refuse to support the Oligarchy. If I didn't Vote I wouldn't have a right to comment, so I still vote even though it's completely useless and they will do what they want because the American public are to fucking lazy to change the system.
See my comments above
See my comments above
I stand corrected on my earlier post a few pages ago. It looks like she can be pardoned even though she has not been charged. More importantly it looks like the Muslim in the WH is going to have to pardon her win or lose.
http://www.breitbart.com/california...-president-obama-will-pardon-hillary-clinton/
http://www.breitbart.com/california...-president-obama-will-pardon-hillary-clinton/
What you are proposing is that there are no longer any political solutions...
ITs like living in Cuba or Venezuela..we've become a banana boat nation.......
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Yes there is, but it starts with a couple of things
1. People who actually give a shit and pay attention
2. Voting starts at the local level
3. What ever party you subscribe to participate in the primaries, hold them accountable and refuse to make excuses for them
4. Remember one basic principle, your rights end where my nose begins and mine ends where yours begins
But the general population is just too fucking lazy, they're too busy buying their cheap shit made by Chinese Slave Labor Camps (Lao Gai) at Wal-Mart and watching the Kardashians. All the while all these secret Free Trade Treaty's are made liveable wage jobs sent overseas and what's left here are flipping burgers if you're lucky. They then wonder why they can't afford to even own a home, put their kids through collage and are continually in huge debt, but hey they've got their cheap shit at Wal-Mart ..............
I spent 10 years of my life in the Marines and went to war for my country, I'm fucking disgusted with what I've seen and continue to see. A Government that has and continues to sell out the people to appease their masters. The same Government that literally wipes their ass with the Constitution. Government can't run nor defend itself without the likes of Haliburton which isn't even a US company, their Corp HQ is in Dubia. Should look at the long list of companies with huge influence in the Government that aren't even US Companies, fucking disgusting. I've washed my hands of it because the General Herd are either too fucking clueless or just plain don't give a shit. Doesn't mean I'm going quietly, I still hope that "maybe" the people will wake the fuck up. But I'm certainly not holding my breath.
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Wake up, we are. The controlled media has done a brilliant job of creating the illusion of freedom in this country.
1. We have the Economy of a 3 world country
a. Raw resources shipped overseas to be returned as finished goods
b. Professional level jobs overseas
c. Massive Trade deficits
d. Massive Financial Debt
2. Government with unchecked power
a. Patriot Act
b. Indefinite detention of it's citizens
c. Unchecked Spy network spying on it's own citizens
d. Militarization of it's domestic police force
e. Property seizure by domestic police force at will
f. Property seizure at will (2007 SCOTUS imminent domain ruling)
3. Propaganda Machine
a. All major media controlled by 6, I've heard it's less than that
List goes on, but that's just the start.
So, what does that add up to?
a colony controled by global imperialists,a nation whose wealth and young men are at the disposal of a world elite to expand their control.....so who is the candidate speaking out against the ageneda of the globalists..the agenda of a borderless america,a borderless world.the ageneda of the TPP...who is the candidate the media demonizes..who created the arab spring and the river of blood it created.
yeah yeah blah blah...we all see the same thing that is not the issue...the issue is how to stop it. Hilary is an animal of the elite she is a creation of the elite...a creation of a corrupt and evil political class....you keep refusing to deal with reality, you keep sticking your head in the sand and calling everybody else blind...Hilary Clinton has and will continue to murder and kill..you keep ignoring that and try and do this ridiculous comparison between a guy who was born into a moderate degree of wealth,and was groomed to build upon that wealth, yeah so you would do to your kids if you had that kind of wealth,so would any of us....and you compare that with someone who has traded bodies for influence, who has killed on a quiet personal level and enjoyed it and persued her lusts onto killing on a world stage level and found she liked that to.....you are comparing a developer who bought of city beuacrats and union bosses in order to to do bussiness with someone who sold state secrets and 20% of our uranium to the russians.whose husband sold weapons technology to hostile goverments....who used the state department like a ATM.....there is no comparison it is ridiculous to attempt it ....like comparing strong arm robbery to napalm.
Who created the Patriot Act, the Wall Street and Bank Bail outs, etc. etc.
The Pres is just a sock puppet in reality, they do what they are told and it's certainly "not" the people.
As I stated to actually make changes go back to my rant post.
Iceland did a bloodless revolution, they fired their Politician's, jailed the Bankers and bailed out the people. The opposite of what we did.
They're a small country, that's why they effective of doing this quickly. But we in the U.S. are actually 50 individual countries who come together in a "Union". That was how we were formed, but we've strayed so far from that and given D.C. waaaaaaaaaaay too much power. Change can happen, but it starts at the local and State level. But again I highly doubt this will happen because the general voting public are just too lazy and all want their shit either free or as cheap as possible. The culture of cheap and immediate gratification with no consideration for the long term affects.
Shame, our great experiment has went to shit.
As Ben Franklin answered right after the 1st Congress "What type of Government do we have?" Franklin: "A Republic if you can keep it".
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PULSeVAPE kept saying the same shit all the time... Blah blah blah!!
A single idiot will not change anything!!
We need civil movement, Americans should wake up and make these fuckers ACCOUNTABLE, we need a government run by the people
We don't need a BLUE, RED, RIGHT OR LEFT!
WE NEED AMERICANS United...
You all talk about trump is the answer for ur personal issues in this country !! Smh it will never be, nobody in the fucking whitehouse will change shit...
Like what rocco said
We need to REBOOT THE GOVERNMENT.....
VAPE ON
PULSeVAPE kept saying the same shit all the time... Blah blah blah!!
A single idiot will not change anything!!
We need civil movement, Americans should wake up and make these fuckers ACCOUNTABLE, we need a government run by the people
We don't need a BLUE, RED, RIGHT OR LEFT!
WE NEED AMERICANS United...
You all talk about trump is the answer for ur personal issues in this country !! Smh it will never be, nobody in the fucking whitehouse will change shit...
Like what rocco said
We need to REBOOT THE GOVERNMENT.....
VAPE ON
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