Smok TF-V8 coils, is smok lying?

[SirRichardRear]

First off, let me say I love the tank. works amazing. no complaints. best on the market as a prebuilt coil tank IMO.

The thing is, with that said, I'm pretty sure they are only using half the coils stated in the description

The TF-T8 coil says patented octouple coil. as in 8 coils. We all seen pics that it has 4 air holes with coils in them. The assumption would be that each hole had 2 coils, either seperate (one on top on on bottom) or wrapped parallel with each other. After finishing off my coil yesterday (lasted 2 weeks) i decided to open it up. Upon 1st inspection i could only count 8 leads. 4 negative 4 positive. Pulling it all apart, there was only 1 coil in each hole. 1 solid piece of wire each hole with 1 positive lead and 1 negative lead. unfortunately i couldn't get it out in 1 piece without the wire unwrapping so i couldn't measure the ID and amount of wraps to calculate out resistance, but it was definitely one solid piece each hole So where does the 8 coils come in. It's it "marketing math" maybe because each coil has double the wraps of what they consider a normal coil? (think paper towels and how a double roll = 2 rolls on the package) The wire looks kinda thick, maybe 24-26 gauge if i had to guess. I put in a Q4 coil now (4 coil) but after visually inspecting, it just looks like 2 coils wrapped parallel. I'll also pull this one apart when I'm done with it in 2 weeks for further inspection.

Any thoughts on this? anyone ever inspect them or does everyone take it at face value? I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere before so I'm curious

 

[HondaDavidson]

How many coils and how many WIRES were used to make the coils?? A quad build using paralell wire would require 8 strands of individual wire to construct but only 2 leads to fire.. A single coil made with 2 wires in paralell is technically still a DUAL coil build.

 

[SirRichardRear]

How many coils and how many WIRES were used to make the coils?? A quad build using paralell wire would require 8 strands of individual wire to construct but only 2 leads to fire.. A single coil made with 2 wires in paralell is technically still a DUAL coil build.

Yes I know, as i stated in my post, it was 4 wires total, 1 in each hole

 

[HondaDavidson]

Yes... I thought the T8 coils were fused claptons...... 4 coils using 4 fused cores in the wires.

 

[SirRichardRear]

Yes... I thought the T8 coils were fused claptons...... 4 coils using 4 fused cores in the wires.

Nope. I thought they were 4 parallel coils which is really 8 coils in total, but when I took it apart it was 4 single coils only. 4 total pieces of wire in it, Not claptons or anything fancy, just regular coils

 

[conanthewarrior]

First off, let me say I love the tank. works amazing. no complaints. best on the market as a prebuilt coil tank IMO.

The thing is, with that said, I'm pretty sure they are only using half the coils stated in the description

The TF-T8 coil says patented octouple coil. as in 8 coils. We all seen pics that it has 4 air holes with coils in them. The assumption would be that each hole had 2 coils, either seperate (one on top on on bottom) or wrapped parallel with each other. After finishing off my coil yesterday (lasted 2 weeks) i decided to open it up. Upon 1st inspection i could only count 8 leads. 4 negative 4 positive. Pulling it all apart, there was only 1 coil in each hole. 1 solid piece of wire each hole with 1 positive lead and 1 negative lead. unfortunately i couldn't get it out in 1 piece without the wire unwrapping so i couldn't measure the ID and amount of wraps to calculate out resistance, but it was definitely one solid piece each hole So where does the 8 coils come in. It's it "marketing math" maybe because each coil has double the wraps of what they consider a normal coil? (think paper towels and how a double roll = 2 rolls on the package) The wire looks kinda thick, maybe 24-26 gauge if i had to guess. I put in a Q4 coil now (4 coil) but after visually inspecting, it just looks like 2 coils wrapped parallel. I'll also pull this one apart when I'm done with it in 2 weeks for further inspection.

Any thoughts on this? anyone ever inspect them or does everyone take it at face value? I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere before so I'm curious

When I heard of the octuple coil, I did think this was insane, I don't own the TFV8 but do have the previous TFV4, and that itself is a beast with the coils in the box-I had never experienced juice consumed so fast in a tank lol.

Hopefully someone knows the answer to this as this has me curious too, I would expect an octuple coil to have 8 coils, as in the name, but you could well be right that each coil may be considered double the size of a 'standard' coil to them, explaining why you found just 4, fairly large gauge coils.

 

[Zamazam]

Perhaps another VU member can take one of the octuple heads apart for validation....

 

[SirRichardRear]

Perhaps another VU member can take one of the octuple heads apart for validation....

That would be awesome. I know there has to be more then a few here suing this tank.
Next time I'll be more careful pulling them out, I was being lazy lol

 

[The Juice Loosener]

I wondered the same thing about the TFV4 octuple Claptons. They look exactly like the quadruples.

The Quad:

The Octuple:

I can say from personal experience that the octuple is bigger on clouds and has slightly better flavor, but just from looking at them I can't tell much of a difference. The only thing I can see is that maybe they used a thicker gauge wire on the TF-T8, but it doesn't seem possible that they fit an entire extra set of coils in there when compared to the quads. I don't care how thick your wire is, 4 ≠ 8 in this universe.

 

[nightshard]

Quad parallel coils makes it sort of octuple, though i still see it as quad.

 

[The Juice Loosener]

Quad parallel coils makes it sort of octuple, though i still see it as quad.

True. I'll crack the one I'm using open once it's dead and see if I can tell if the octuples are parallel wraps or not. I don't use my TFV4 a lot so it could be a while, though. For the amount of juice it goes through, the flavor you get even from the quad and octuple claptons isn't really worth it. For all its hype, I really felt that tank was a huge letdown. I tried almost all of the coils (just not the "Airs" and the dual RBA) and none of them come close to the Crown 1 in the flavor category, or even the Cleito, for that matter. Even the Aspire Triton claptons are slightly more flavorful than anything produced for the TFV4, IMO.

 

[SirRichardRear]

True. I'll crack the one I'm using open once it's dead and see if I can tell if the octuples are parallel wraps or not. I don't use my TFV4 a lot so it could be a while, though. For the amount of juice it goes through, the flavor you get even from the quad and octuple claptons isn't really worth it. For all its hype, I really felt that tank was a huge letdown. I tried almost all of the coils (just not the "Airs" and the dual RBA) and none of them come close to the Crown 1 in the flavor category, or even the Cleito, for that matter. Even the Aspire Triton claptons are slightly more flavorful than anything produced for the TFV4, IMO.

So it does look like they are in parallel, Just had to clean them off to see it. It still only has 1 lead per coil (1 positive and 1 negative) but they have a 2nd coils clamped on. I cleaned one out and spread it apart so it's easier to see

 

[nightshard]

Kind of stupid.
Why solder two wires into one instead of making a regular parallel coil with two wires.
First it takes more time and money to make without any benefit to it.
Second I wouldn't want to inhale whats coming out if the solder when it heats up.

Edit: on second though I can understand why it would be a problem fitting 16 leads
Anyways it's over the top and stupid to me.

 

[SirRichardRear]

Kind of stupid.
Why solder two wires into one instead of making a regular parallel coil with two wires.
First it takes more time and money to make without any benefit to it.
Second I wouldn't want to inhale whats coming out if the solder when it heats up.

Edit: on second though I can understand why it would be a problem fitting 16 leads
Anyways it's over the top and stupid to me.

I don't think it's soldered. solder melting point could be as low as 190f. it would melt off. it looks like it's just wrapped around with a clip of some sort

 

[HondaDavidson]

Kind of stupid.
Why solder two wires into one instead of making a regular parallel coil with two wires.
First it takes more time and money to make without any benefit to it.
Second I wouldn't want to inhale whats coming out if the solder when it heats up.

Edit: on second though I can understand why it would be a problem fitting 16 leads
Anyways it's over the top and stupid to me.

You do realize that most if not all coilheads are made with soldered wire... don't you? At least every head I have seen .
They have all been non-resistance leads soldered to whatever restance wire is used to form the coil.



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[nightshard]

I wouldn't say all of them are soldered, maybe some of them.
Still doesn't change the fact that I don't want to use soldered coils and that I never do.

 

[SirRichardRear]

You do realize that most if not all coilheads are made with soldered wire... don't you? At least every head I have seen .
They have all been non-resistance leads soldered to whatever restance wire is used to form the coil.



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nope wasn't aware of that so thanks.

 

[Jim_MDP]

It's probably more accurate to call it "welded" not "soldered"... but it seems to be, and to have been, a very common technique. It's what I was going to suggest the OP look for as I was reading through the thread.

The old school tiny BVC etc. coilheads are, I think, mostly done with welded NR-R-NR construction to be able to fit the size constraints. Many (most?) simple parallel factory heads today, and that's probably a lot (ie: the new-ish Melo 3 Mini's stupidly power-hungry 0.3 and 0.5) are definitely dual fattys stuffed in there and probably with welded legs.

We know the Crown v1's single coil SS heads were NR-R-NR, that's probably the source of the TC issues they had with one large batch... an error on the production line.

And no... it's not a waste of effort to weld the little buggers... it's not done by hand.


That aside, to the OP's concern... NEVER doubt the profitability of "marketing math".

I had heard they were stacked two per coil "hole"... but I'm cynical enough I'd have not been surprised at some shenanigans.

 

[TheRealSean]

First off, let me say I love the tank. works amazing. no complaints. best on the market as a prebuilt coil tank IMO.

The thing is, with that said, I'm pretty sure they are only using half the coils stated in the description

The TF-T8 coil says patented octouple coil. as in 8 coils. We all seen pics that it has 4 air holes with coils in them. The assumption would be that each hole had 2 coils, either seperate (one on top on on bottom) or wrapped parallel with each other. After finishing off my coil yesterday (lasted 2 weeks) i decided to open it up. Upon 1st inspection i could only count 8 leads. 4 negative 4 positive. Pulling it all apart, there was only 1 coil in each hole. 1 solid piece of wire each hole with 1 positive lead and 1 negative lead. unfortunately i couldn't get it out in 1 piece without the wire unwrapping so i couldn't measure the ID and amount of wraps to calculate out resistance, but it was definitely one solid piece each hole So where does the 8 coils come in. It's it "marketing math" maybe because each coil has double the wraps of what they consider a normal coil? (think paper towels and how a double roll = 2 rolls on the package) The wire looks kinda thick, maybe 24-26 gauge if i had to guess. I put in a Q4 coil now (4 coil) but after visually inspecting, it just looks like 2 coils wrapped parallel. I'll also pull this one apart when I'm done with it in 2 weeks for further inspection.

Any thoughts on this? anyone ever inspect them or does everyone take it at face value? I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere before so I'm curious

I believe I do have old tfv4 beast coil. Have no use for it can get into it. Now iam kinda curious about them. Got a baby t-8 coil haven't got to it when its done I could tear into it also. I think wires get too hot to be soldered but who knows.

 

[SirRichardRear]

It's probably more accurate to call it "welded" not "soldered"... but it seems to be, and to have been, a very common technique. It's what I was going to suggest the OP look for as I was reading through the thread.

The old school tiny BVC etc. coilheads are, I think, mostly done with welded NR-R-NR construction to be able to fit the size constraints. Many (most?) simple parallel factory heads today, and that's probably a lot (ie: the new-ish Melo 3 Mini's stupidly power-hungry 0.3 and 0.5) are definitely dual fattys stuffed in there and probably with welded legs.

We know the Crown v1's single coil SS heads were NR-R-NR, that's probably the source of the TC issues they had with one large batch... an error on the production line.

And no... it's not a waste of effort to weld the little buggers... it's not done by hand.


That aside, to the OP's concern... NEVER doubt the profitability of "marketing math".

I had heard they were stacked two per coil "hole"... but I'm cynical enough I'd have not been surprised at some shenanigans.

welded makes a lot more sense