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It only takes a fraction of a second more to solder a thicker wire and it only cost a fraction of a cent more, that's why the Chinese attitude of better cheap then safe using bare minimum components, rather then a better safe then sorry annoys me.
That's why I like G2. It's made in China but designed in America with thick wire, big battery contacts, and an awesome Board. Plus the instruction manual is in real English not Chinese English lol

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Go back and read my story in this thread about a journeyman electrician not being careful with wire size.

Journeymen electricians frequently work with DC. Or is that welders?


The batts are protected 5 ways from Sunday. There are fuses, and diodes that act like fuses. (they will vaporize) long before the batts are close to peril. And yes a crowbar across a car bat can make bad things happen. But not with an appropriate fuse at each end of the connection.
 

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i always prefer to trade off mah for mcr... although truth me told i always exceed the rating and roam a little further into pulse territory.
for this reason my go to cells are hb2/4/6 and 25r.
they were vtc3/4 but liionwholesale stopped carrying them i believe by request of sony but the others i stated are nice alternatives. 25r for series, hbs for tubes.

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Journeymen electricians frequently work with DC. Or is that welders?


The batts are protected 5 ways from Sunday. There are fuses, and diodes that act like fuses. (they will vaporize) long before the batts are close to peril. And yes a crowbar across a car bat can make bad things happen. But not with an appropriate fuse at each end of the connection.
Lol sorry but your wrong. I've physically seen one explode because a mechanic wasn't careful and crossed the positive and negative with a wrench. He came out smoking acid ate his clothes and boots. We had to drench him in DI water and he had a big bruise where the post hit him when he flew out of the battery. So please don't spread misinformation.

In the case of the wire size, it would just melt. I've also seen stupid people jump a car and cross the positive and negative and melt the jumper cables. Enough people don't realize the safety precautions needed. We don't need anyone making that worse.

In the case of the mod, yes there are Protections but the wires get hotter then they should. It's a dangerous situation and even safeties aren't 100% fail safe. Safeties fail too and then you are unprotected.

I work in power generation, we have safety classes every month , we hear stories and see people get hurt all the time and pics. 99% could have been prevented.

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That's why I like G2. It's made in China but designed in America with thick wire, big battery contacts, and an awesome Board. Plus the instruction manual is in real English not Chinese English lol

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I heard it has a metal battery sled......

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I heard it has a metal battery sled......

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All metal, all painted. Aluminum alloy
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Some Chinese AC powered devices are very unsafe. Yes, Your cars main wiring harness is 4 or 2 gauge. A hybrid has OD wires and it is DC. You cannot put too small AWG on DC. That is completely wrong! These 18650's in series can provide more than 50 amps. Enough to melt 16-18 AWG wire easily. Then dead shorting the 18650's and kiss your hand and face goodbye. This is not any joke. I am not trying to scare anyone this is a fact. The wire in this is barely enough for 200 momentarily it is not enough for 250.

I rarely flip a ocpd on single phase 120. it can still kill you but usually not. 3 phase 480v to 960 is not a joking matter. In my job people are trusting their lives with each other. If one guy fucks up another guy probably dies because of that. Yes, AC is a different animal you will be the ground path. DC still requires the proper components for other but similar reasons. These are not joking matters and the Chinese do not give a shit if they blow off someones face. You can rest assured the wire is probably okay for momentary 200 not 250 but "barely okay" is not good enough for me knowing what I do.

If you are going to vape at high wattage and chain vape without rewiring it you are better off to get Yihi,Fsk-Hohm or a decent American DNA.
Otherwise I would generally keep these below 100W. Which is what they are counting on anyways. Few people vape over 100W. The wires has no excuse. However just because your car can go 260MPH does not mean you should do that on public streets. Most cars don't but even a mere 100MPH is rather stupid.

Wismec is still good how most people will use it but there is a warning if you are actually going to use it at 250 watts. The Chinese could care less about our safety. Vaping at 250 is ones perogative not really the same as the car analogy. Unfortunately it is not properly equipped to offer that level of performance. I wonder if they have 18AWG in that Smok 400 watt device.
 

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Lol sorry but your wrong. I've physically seen one explode because a mechanic wasn't careful and crossed the positive and negative with a wrench.



I was discussing the RX board. The car bat analogy has long passed.

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The board of an RX showing what happens when it is abused. Just to the right of the pinhead, Do you see the failed component? If memory serves me correctly, there are 2 fuses and 2 diodes that protect the batts in the gravest extreme. Such as this mod was subjected to. After the post, I managed to replace the component, and it was repaired.
 
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If you are going to vape at high wattage and chain vape without rewiring it you are better off to get Yihi,Fsk-Hohm or a decent American DNA.


I have a failed DNA 200 board as well. That one was NOT exposed to user abuse. Evolve told me they had a run of bad components. I'll probably repair it as well if I get bored enough. I could send it to Evolv, they said they would repair or replace it, but since they decided to game the FDA, I have not even logged on to the Early Adopters Forum.

Fucking wire pullers.
 

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Beautiful looking mod. DNA 200 chip? Was it the donor for the 510 on your RX?
No she's going on week no.5 at the Triade repair center..... The board is gone, they are deciding on repair or replacement....... The RX got a Varitube V2.... The V2 is on the right.... The left is a V1....
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I did an update and got 250watts, puff counter, now I can lock the ohms on TC, and on 316L SS the temperature control works !!!! Very accurate...... It sucked balls before !!!!!

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The SS mode still is not that accurate on 316l and it was driving me crazy trying to figure it out. Watched a video with DJLsb Vapes and he tested it out. The tcr on it should be 92 for ss316l but it does not work on that mode. He got very accurate temp readings with a tcr of 118. Just been trying it out and it works great at 118.
 

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After a while it will never leave your pocket..... It's a great mod.... Easy to tear apart and easy to customize.......

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It never goes in my pocket. I have other 200 watt mods for that. I'm a trucker, so I keep the RX200 topped with the Mod Father tank and a Dripbox 160 with the Tsunami 24 in the cup holders and I'm good to drive all day.

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Beautiful looking mod. DNA 200 chip? Was it the donor for the 510 on your RX?

See, this is the fucking misnomer that fucked up the other thread. Which I admit was mostly my fault.
The Lost Vape 510 is none the better. It does not matter how it looks. It is the pin that matters. The LV is using the pin in a grommet as well. No spring. Fucking Chinese will do anything to save 2 cents. You want just the pin assembly from a Varitube or Fat Daddy. You can put the whole thing if you are adventurous. It will take modification either way. That goes back to knowing how to work with electromechanical devices.Otherwise either one of them is what it is. A lot of people think just because they can safely screw in a TFV4 into the LV it must be better. Not. Plus it is not so good looking when the paint flakes off and the leather tears in less than a month. Just ask Manny. Otherwise it looks okay but form does nothing for me. Function does. It is much harder to service the Triade with their fucking plastic shroud over the chip. Nonetheless when I opened it is was literally swimming in juice. That is not what blew the fuse though. It ripped the battery wrappers with an ultra tight battery sled. Thus, shorting the batteries and taking out the fuse. Anything, including ful board replacement or 510 replacement is way easier on the Wismec of any variety. The RX it is no wonder Evolv is suing them. It now does all the same stuff, without a PC and for $39. Wismec really stuck it to them. I call that innovation. It is by no means a ripoff. Evolv's basis is that of they invented temperature control. It shall be interesting to se a jury's verdict regarding this matter. If they lose they are pretty well fucked then.

Btw, Hohm G2 is very nice but does not do all the DNA and RX do. If you just need a damn solid mod without too many frills look no further. I saw a place that has it for like 50 bucks too. I like Yihi but their bullshit idea of preheat kills it for me. Plus the new one is $300 which is absurd. It looks amazing though. For China you can expect good quality from Yihi though.
 

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That's what I did..... I cut the plate from the Varitube V2 and used the pin assembly...... I found someone that thinks like I do..... Look at the assembly difference between the (2) Varitube..... The V2 is self enclosed......V2 is on the right.....
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That is not what blew the fuse


Evolv wont won't void your warrantee if you replace the SMT fuse yourself. I've done a bunch. It's not rocket surgery. PM me if you need a part number, or source for the replacement.
 

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The tcr on it should be 92 for ss316l but it does not work on that mode. He got very accurate temp readings with a tcr of 118. Just been trying it out and it works great at 118.

The brand of wire also makes a difference. Avoid Chinese wire. I only use aerospace, or surgical 316, or 304 SS.
 

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The RX got a Varitube V2.... The V2 is on the right.... The left is a V1....

Nice connectors. I've put a Fat Daddy on my UnWiseMech RX. (a series mech made from a RX body). Temple Rda, At 280 fucking watts, it seems to exceed STM vapor production.
 

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I was discussing the RX board. The car bat analogy has long passed.

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The board of an RX showing what happens when it is abused. Just to the right of the pinhead, Do you see the failed component? If memory serves me correctly, there are 2 fuses and 2 diodes that protect the batts in the gravest extreme. Such as this mod was subjected to. After the post, I managed to replace the component, and it was repaired.
Unless you can show me schematics with specs there is no way I can deem the device safe. The board popping a fuse doesn't prove anything. Also a diode is not a fuse at all. A diode just makes sure electricity flows in 1 direction, a fuse makes sure the amps are below a certain amount.

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See, this is the fucking misnomer that fucked up the other thread. Which I admit was mostly my fault.
The Lost Vape 510 is none the better. It does not matter how it looks. It is the pin that matters. The LV is using the pin in a grommet as well. No spring. Fucking Chinese will do anything to save 2 cents. You want just the pin assembly from a Varitube or Fat Daddy. You can put the whole thing if you are adventurous. It will take modification either way. That goes back to knowing how to work with electromechanical devices.Otherwise either one of them is what it is. A lot of people think just because they can safely screw in a TFV4 into the LV it must be better. Not. Plus it is not so good looking when the paint flakes off and the leather tears in less than a month. Just ask Manny. Otherwise it looks okay but form does nothing for me. Function does. It is much harder to service the Triade with their fucking plastic shroud over the chip. Nonetheless when I opened it is was literally swimming in juice. That is not what blew the fuse though. It ripped the battery wrappers with an ultra tight battery sled. Thus, shorting the batteries and taking out the fuse. Anything, including ful board replacement or 510 replacement is way easier on the Wismec of any variety. The RX it is no wonder Evolv is suing them. It now does all the same stuff, without a PC and for $39. Wismec really stuck it to them. I call that innovation. It is by no means a ripoff. Evolv's basis is that of they invented temperature control. It shall be interesting to se a jury's verdict regarding this matter. If they lose they are pretty well fucked then.

Btw, Hohm G2 is very nice but does not do all the DNA and RX do. If you just need a damn solid mod without too many frills look no further. I saw a place that has it for like 50 bucks too. I like Yihi but their bullshit idea of preheat kills it for me. Plus the new one is $300 which is absurd. It looks amazing though. For China you can expect good quality from Yihi though.
Wait you said the fsk chip can't do what the rx chip? Lol come on man your kidding. Fsk chip is number 1 or 2 depending on preference with then dna 200, 3rd is yihi, wismec isn't even top 5. I'd take the smok chip before wismec too. Technically, the fsk does more wire then dna mods in TC mode since it can do kenthal, NiChrome, and mixtures, where the dna can't. The only negative on the fsk is the preheat isn't adjustable, and even then wismec just added that to the rx200 like a few days ago.

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Wait you said the fsk chip can't do what the rx chip? Lol come on man your kidding. Fsk chip is number 1 or 2 depending on preference with then dna 200, 3rd is yihi, wismec isn't even top 5. I'd take the smok chip before wismec too. Technically, the fsk does more wire then dna mods in TC mode since it can do kenthal, NiChrome, and mixtures, where the dna can't. The only negative on the fsk is the preheat isn't adjustable, and even then wismec just added that to the rx200 like a few days ago.

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Gotta agree there. Wismec has nothing, I mean nothing on an FSK.

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Unless you can show me schematics with specs there is no way I can deem the device safe. The board popping a fuse doesn't prove anything. Also a diode is not a fuse at all. A diode just makes sure electricity flows in 1 direction, a fuse makes sure the amps are below a certain amount.

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Is that a small mosfet that I see to the right that the legs are melted on it...

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Gotta agree there. Wismec has nothing, I mean nothing on an FSK.

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Exactly the only advantage I'd give to wismec is battery life and wattage. The g2 has better tc, more tc types, more customization settings, better quality, lower ohm range (.007) , more reliable and more durable

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I can't see one in the pic

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Its by the top big pin to the right..... Small black square component..... I've been building small switch boxes and the board has (4) small mosfets to each positive and negative on the batteries and they look that that small square really small mosfets

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I don't know.... But my RX really kicks ass...... It's hitting this SS316L build..... It's a .17 on a 5mm drill bit..... But at 65 watts Fuck..... Your asshole shrivels up......
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Its by the top big pin to the right..... Small black square component..... I've been building small switch boxes and the board has (4) small mosfets to each positive and negative on the batteries and they look that that small square really small mosfets

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I don't see anything that looks like a mosfet to me but the pic is blurry

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I don't know.... But my RX really kicks ass...... It's hitting this SS316L build..... It's a .17 on a 5mm drill bit..... But at 65 watts Fuck..... Your asshole shrivels up......
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I can fire my .09 build three wire twisted (ss430, nife48, kenthal) mix in temp control and wattage mode with a g2. No other mod can do that ;)

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Don't worry about it.... I see just burnt shit.....

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Lol me too just burnt and blurry stuff and a blown fuse is all I can make out

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I can fire my .09 build three wire twisted (ss430, nife48, kenthal) mix in temp control and wattage mode with a g2. No other mod can do that ;)

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No my RX kicks it out to wattage with mixed wire but it will fire .08 on 316L

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no way I can deem the device safe.

Deem? Wow. I'm impressed.

So you are qualified to certify devices as safe? One might think in this current (No pun intended) climate of FDA regulation, your phrasing might be better.

How did you manage to obtain your collection of schematics for Evolve, Provari IPV4 etc? I'm envious. Perhaps Wismec was unable to come up with enough to retain you as a consultant, and that is why you were not provided with their schematics. Perhaps that is the reason you did not wish to become too involved in this thread. :)

I Do know the difference between a diode and a fuse, and I also know that a diode will act as a fuse when its reverse current capacity is exceeded. This is not limited to vape mods as I'm sure you know.

You, and stevegmu, our other VU illustrious board design expert should collaborate. I'm sure the result would be epic!
 

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Specs say .1 on wattage and .05 in TC. G2 fires down to .007 in TC and wattage mode

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Once I rewired mine with 14gauge and added the Varitube V2 and did the last 250 watt......update..... She is working really well on TC and .... She is hitting like a train and doesn't even get hot like before......

So I guess the RX can become a hard hitting box with a small investment....... I've had it for over a year and I HAM that bitch for real......

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Is that a small mosfet that I see to the right that the legs are melted on it...

If you mean in the above pic, you will have to point it out. Where in relation to the pin head is it? The pin head, if I recall, is resting on the solder pads on the reverse side of the board for the USB. That section is mostly power, and USB.

I used a dental pick and my geek glasses to clean up some of the debris before powering it up. Not to mention some solder slag from my less than surgical SMT soldering.
 

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Deem? Wow. I'm impressed.

So you are qualified to certify devices as safe? One might think in this current (No pun intended) climate of FDA regulation, your phrasing might be better.

How did you manage to obtain your collection of schematics for Evolve, Provari IPV4 etc? I'm envious. Perhaps Wismec was unable to come up with enough to retain you as a consultant, and that is why you were not provided with their schematics. Perhaps that is the reason you did not wish to become too involved in this thread. :)

I Do know the difference between a diode and a fuse, and I also know that a diode will act as a fuse when its reverse current capacity is exceeded. This is not limited to vape mods as I'm sure you know.

You, and stevegmu, our other VU illustrious board design expert should collaborate. I'm sure the result would be epic!
The diode only helps of voltage shoots back at it, it's essentially a check valve for electricity. But you can shoot as much as you want one way through it hence not like a fuse

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Once I rewired mine with 14gauge and added the Varitube V2 and did the last 250 watt......update..... She is working really well on TC and .... She is hitting like a train and doesn't even get hot like before......

So I guess the RX can become a hard hitting box with a small investment....... I've had it for over a year and I HAM that bitch for real......

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Yeah it seems like it can be a great device with a couple minor modifications.

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Yeah it seems like it can be a great device with a couple minor modifications.

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I made a video..... 20 puffs at 75 watts.... 20 puffs at 100 watts..... 10 or 15 at 170 watts and 10 puffs at 200 watts using the modfather in a 4 minute time limit...... I couldn't take it to 250 watts...... Too hot...... Most mods can't handle that abuse, mine has taken it for over a year....

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I made a video..... 20 puffs at 75 watts.... 20 puffs at 100 watts..... 10 or 15 at 170 watts and 10 puffs at 200 watts using the modfather in a 4 minute time limit...... I couldn't take it to 250 watts...... Too hot...... Most mods can't handle that abuse, mine has taken it for over a year....

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Nice. And yeah I don't know many people who could take 250 watt vaping lol. I never vape over 140 and that's only with the tfv8 tank. All music builds I vape at 100 or less.

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Nice. And yeah I don't know many people who could take 250 watt vaping lol. I never vape over 140 and that's only with the tfv8 tank. All music builds I vape at 100 or less.

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Well I do crazy shit when I get drunk....... Wake up In the morning with blisters on my tongue and I'm trying to figure out what happened ??? Then people send me messages dude that video Vaping at 300 watts was bad ass.......

I answer ....... What video ?

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Well I do crazy shit when I get drunk....... Wake up In the morning with blisters on my tongue and I'm trying to figure out what happened ??? Then people send me messages dude that video Vaping at 300 watts was bad ass.......

I answer ....... What video ?

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Lol that's awesome

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Manny you are awesome! You build damn good too. Too bad I don't know you since we are both Ethnic anyways.

No Mosfet on that. They have other means of amplifying current. A diode will blow with enough forward voltage too. Well, any fucking component will LOL.

The sarcasm on this board is it's downside. The other boards downside was that shit was strictly prohibited. I'll take you guys. Freedom of speech is pretty damn important. If I can not drop F-Bombs I need no part of it. As I said in another thread if it is allowed feel free to even use the N-word. I am not offended because it is just the fucking internet. A hell of a lot better than all the Pedo forums. That shit is not any kind of funny to me. Use any word but causing bodily harm or even discussing it is complete bullshit to me.

Anyways I mentioned in another thread I am sick of mods that suck or I have to re engineer. What is the best Damn mod I can obtain now? I have strong preference for DNA but will try FSK if suggested over DNA. Hopefully I could get American made. That means nothing though because Hana is pure crap. I am actually thinking of Yihi G+? Price is nuts though. I really do not know what is a good mod anymore. The Wismec You have to rebuild the damn thing. I rarely go over 100W anyways. I do like big run time and swapable batteries. I am just bringing this up because as it stands, out of the box the Wismec requires improvements. I have done so and then some but It is like Frankenstein. No longer built by the manufacturer.
 

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Manny you are awesome! You build damn good too. Too bad I don't know you since we are both Ethnic anyways.

No Mosfet on that. They have other means of amplifying current. A diode will blow with enough forward voltage too. Well, any fucking component will LOL.

The sarcasm on this board is it's downside. The other boards downside was that shit was strictly prohibited. I'll take you guys. Freedom of speech is pretty damn important. If I can not drop F-Bombs I need no part of it. As I said in another thread if it is allowed feel free to even use the N-word. I am not offended because it is just the fucking internet. A hell of a lot better than all the Pedo forums. That shit is not any kind of funny to me. Use any word but causing bodily harm or even discussing it is complete bullshit to me.

Anyways I mentioned in another thread I am sick of mods that suck or I have to re engineer. What is the best Damn mod I can obtain now? I have strong preference for DNA but will try FSK if suggested over DNA. Hopefully I could get American made. That means nothing though because Hana is pure crap. I am actually thinking of Yihi G+? Price is nuts though. I really do not know what is a good mod anymore. The Wismec You have to rebuild the damn thing. I rarely go over 100W anyways. I do like big run time and swapable batteries. I am just bringing this up because as it stands, out of the box the Wismec requires improvements. I have done so and then some but It is like Frankenstein. No longer built by the manufacturer.
When my Triade arrives, Fuck the warranty I'm going to tear the bitch apart and start customizing it my way..... From wires to Varitube to lipos, I'm making a bad bitch out of her......Thanks for the great comments.....IMAG1883_1.jpg

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